Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumFor those who are mad at Berners, still.
It's important to study the NPR data from 2017. Here's an important paragraph about the 1 in 10 Bernie supporters who crossed over to Trump in the GE:
Party seems to have had something to do with it Sanders-Trump voters were much less likely than Sanders-Clinton or Sanders-third party voters to have been Democrats. Likewise, approval of President Barack Obama appears to be related Sanders-Trump voters approved of Obama much less than other Sanders primary voters.
Ergo: Those who crossed over weren't previously Dems.
And they were not supporters of Obama.
There was a racial bias common in these crossovers:
"And then there is race. Nearly half of Sanders-Trump voters disagree with the idea that "white people have advantages."
And so it is counter-productive to think of holding all Bernie supporters responsible for Clinton's electoral college loss.
It's not possible to have party unity in the GE with people who obviously have had no true affiliation with the party and do not share core values.
[link:https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR1o-cOa62ZE_adyvGdk7Jmz-XW6OQzY0Tgef517gh_0UqxRpoSKSNzgfMM|
Let's hope to learn from this NPR data.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)have had no true affiliation with the party and do not share core values
while Bernie shares some values with the Democratic party, he does not share all important values...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)But Mr. Biden was not there to denounce Mr. Upton. Instead, he was collecting $200,000 from the Economic Club of Southwestern Michigan to address a Republican-leaning audience, according to a speaking contract obtained by The New York Times and interviews with organizers. The group, a business-minded civic organization, is supported in part by an Upton family foundation.
Mr. Biden stunned Democrats and elated Republicans by praising Mr. Upton while the lawmaker looked on from the audience. Alluding to Mr. Uptons support for a landmark medical-research law, Mr. Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer and one of the finest guys Ive ever worked with.
Mr. Bidens remarks, coming amid a wide-ranging discourse on American politics, quickly appeared in Republican advertising. The local Democratic Party pleaded with Mr. Biden to repair what it saw as a damaging error, to no avail. On Nov. 6, Mr. Upton defeated his Democratic challenger by four and a half percentage points.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
progressoid
(49,969 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,046 posts)rest of us Dems owed Upton nothing. And a Dem should never campaign for a republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TheFarseer
(9,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)By Harry Cheadle Jan 23 2019, 3:27pm
On the other hand, there's this: Biden got paid $200,000 to give a speech to a Republican-leaning business crowd in Michigan during which he praised GOP Congressman Fred Upton even as Democrats were clawing at his seat in the midterms, the New York Times reported Wednesday.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zy7/of-course-joe-biden-supported-a-republican-in-a-dollar200k-speech
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,800 posts)I thought he was going to join the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,800 posts)I'm a lifelong Democrat, and I'm extremely proud of the fact. I think that being a Democrat shows that one espouses certain values.
Last I checked, this forum is for Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)it is still better Eric Swalwell who stated half of his cabinet would be republicans. When I vote for a Democract I do NOT expect them to fill the cabinet with Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,800 posts)It's nice that he visited for a while, I guess.
Of course I don't think we should vote for someone who would put Republicans into the Cabinet (well, Obama put one in, Chuck Hagel), but perhaps that's no worse than putting Cornel West, who openly bashed Democrats and the sitting Democratic president, on a platform committee).
I do value being a Democrat, very much, and my party roots are very deep.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,800 posts)I think it is, yes. I'm proud to be one, always have been.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I'm not getting through to you; I'm terminating this conversation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)Stein voters to important campaign positions? Are you voting for that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)To run as an Independent for the Senate in 2024.
How do we explain that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)That is what I care about along with his policies. I could care less if he is an independent senator just like King, as long as he votes with the demotracts.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Bernie sign up as an Indy to run in 2024?
Covering all his bases as he did in 2016?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)get the nomination I will vote for whoever has a D after their name, just like I did last time. But I would really have a sick stomach if I had to vote for someone who wants to fill half their cabinet with Repubs, to me that is a candidate who is not a real Democrat. Putting 1 or 2 good choices is one thing, but making an effort to fill half, NO thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)I do and many others care,too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Remember Obama one time got the Nobel Peace Prize . Then what did he do?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dogman
(6,073 posts)Which important values does he not share?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)not so good for people of color or women.
And in truth, Bernie does not see minority and women's issues as important as workers issues.
He made a statement yesterday? that we need to care for working families...
What about elderly families.
He is still stuck with values he decided on 40 years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)SS providing for widows and orphans never helped them? Expecting FDR to meet today's standards seems rational? And we know women and people of color are not working people, right? 50 years ago he was in Chicago getting jailed for those values.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)he wasn't any Martin Luther King, etc
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Going to jail and demonstrating with Martin Luther King. A childhood friend of mine marched with Martin Luther King in our hometown just outside Chicago. It was not the cool thing to do, it took guts to stand out in your community for the rights of others. I respect his memory and respect Bernie for standing out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,465 posts)until he becomes a Democrat
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)He will be in compliance or he will not be on the ballot. Still waiting for a list of Democratic values he does not share.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He even campaigned for one.
Let's start there.
I don't believe he shares Democrats views on guns given his voting record.
I don't believe that he shares the Democrats perspective when it comes to diversity. He even went so far as to say that Democrats were only interested in voting for diversity for diversity sake regardless of qualification.
The guy bashes the party whenever he can and has adamantly stated he is not a Democrat.
Not sure what more you're looking for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Since he's the only one who voted against them (except Rand Paul). I mean, he gave himself a very, very thin veneer of coverage when he decided that the only hour in which he could attend a *whole day* meeting with the former staffers who spent a year trying to bring the sexual harassment in his campaign to his attention was the very same hour they voted whether to lift sanctions on Oleg Deripaska. Very convenient scheduling, that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)And all of his blustering about Russia just being a distraction was a distraction in itself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)and he won't take money from Steve Mnuchin, he is so ungrateful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sacto95834
(393 posts)Also a life long Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)The 2020 rematch will be the biggest Chicago-area primary. Newman, 55, from LaGrange, is jumping back in because Lipinski, 52, who lives in Western Springs, defeated her by only 2,145 votes, or 51.1 percent to 48.9 percent.
https://www.marienewmanforcongress.com/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Hey Harris is in my top two, but I have to call this out. You see, I do like Bernie, just too old.
Though watching a the media on him here, I am starting to think he may have some good years left.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)So owning a gun is the same as voting for immunity for gun manufacturers? Or the same as opposing the Brady bill?
He sends quite the mixed message on gun issues.
I don't get your comparison.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)In general, Bernie has "no true affiliation with the party" because he is further left...which, after 40 plus years of the Overton window moving to the right, we desperately need as a correction. And, btw, a big one.
Whether or not I agree with everything he says (and I don't) I am WAY closer to him than I am to the so-called "moderate" Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)so its not his philosophy as much as it is his inability to compromise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)He is not running for President as an Independent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)he's running as a Democrat because he knows he cant possibly win as an independent.
Notice he immediately reverted to independent after 2016...and conveniently he says he's willing to take advantage of the democratic party again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)He could possibly win, but not likely. But if he wanted to destroy the Democratic Party, as many seem to claim, it would be devastating to the Democratic Party if he ran as an Independent. How is he taking advantage of the Democratic Party? They get another candidate with new people and new money. He gets, presumably, the support of a national organization. If elected, the Democrats get a Democratic President who shares their ideals.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sacto95834
(393 posts)And take Democratic votes with him? He has a minority of support in the party, but that support is sufficient to swing the election to the Republicans. So either welcome him or banish him and be ready to have the orange thing in the WH for another 4 years. Is purity that important? I thought all the Bernie foes were pragmatic and the "Bernie Bros" were the purist.
At least this is how I see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Signed to run as an Independent for the Senate in 2024!
We can not ignore that fact!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)especially if I don't vote in Vermont and it's not 2024.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)So yes, I will ignore it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)and imo it is his unwillingness to compromise on core beliefs that is valuable. No one can push or drag a party in a new direction if they are willing to compromise from the gitgo.
We NEED lefties in the mix to climb out of the hole we have dug for ourselves, as a nation and a species.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)Bernie is still America First...
and that is not a far left value
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)What leaders do we have who do not buy into the American empire? Gabbard is the only one I know who bucks the Washington orthodoxy and she is marginalized to the point of irrelevancy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)"important values." Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)I will support the nominee but I really doubt that the nominee will be sanders. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. I doubt that sanders will be the nominee in that few Clinton supporters will support him and that sanders is not going to get any meaningful support from the African American base of the party unless sanders apologize to John Lewis and other African Americans for things like the planned stunt of booing John Lewis at the national convention
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)still perusing them?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128760287#post20
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)turbo tax does not change fonts. I understand that some forensic types are looking at these returns
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)it will be fun watching sanders lose his temper during the debates
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)So might as well not bother. Senator Sanders is most determined not to let us know where he has stashed his money, and has done the same as he did in 2015 - released incomplete tax returns that are mere summaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,465 posts)Don't know about the fonts
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)People get confused about voters being able to make that kind of switch, because they think in terms of ideology. Sanders and Trump have opposite ideologies.
But I think most Sanders/Trump voters are low-information and probably swing voters, and as such give no shits about ideology. For them the equation was simple: Sanders and Trump were both change candidates while Hillary was a status quo candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dogman
(6,073 posts)The RW anarchists went R while the LW anarchists went Green. The strange part of all this, I think, is people who think they have a right to someones' vote. Sadly, many do not realize the value of their vote, look at the millions of dollars spent on votes. Your vote is yours, you are free to spend it as you see fit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)but they both present themselves as 'know it alls', 'don't worry, I'll fix it', very patriarchial.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)So patriarchal. That's your language not his.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Not splitting hair, just enjoying them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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dogman
(6,073 posts)What is the point? I doubt they are active on DU. Why hold Bernie or the majority of his supporters responsible for them?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)They both also tapped into the same anger a lot of people were feeling. I had conversations with a couple of Obama/Trump voters that surprised me. It turns out they were operating with a racist stereotype in mind. They thought they were voting for Samuel L. Jackson and were angry to discover that he turned out to be more like Sidney Poitier.
Hillary Clinton was a continuation of the underlying Obama and pre-Obama professorial Democrats like John Kerry, and Al Gore.
I have no idea how it will work this time around, but I think a lot of analysts (professional and amateur) miss a lot about 2016 by trying to box it into ideology and belief systems while overlooking the more generic emotional element.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
artislife
(9,497 posts)I think both parties overlooked the lowest tier of donors. Neither cared and thought those voters had no where else to go. Well, the Right rejected Jeb and the Left rejected Hillary. There were a lot of people who sat out and people who had never join in who did.
I had a roommate during the first George Bush election. I am sure he voted for Trump. Anyway, we would have political discussions and I was worried until he confessed he didn't vote. Then I really just listened to try to understand his white man pain. But as the years wore on, I imagine his "pain" wasn't alleviated and I believe he voted and it was for Trump.
People who feel marginalized do unexpected things, like Trump, Columbine, run for office, get married...you just never know what they will do to break a cycle of feeling not worthy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,629 posts)..they were definitely dudes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Everyone stick to your candidate and why you think they are great if you want folks to be persuaded.
Everything else is as likely to annoy and push away as anything else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Though I was shocked at their condoning of months of dishonest and destructive primary election behaviors, they were too solid in their beliefs to be shaken by Sanders' rhetoric.
It's the OTHER 23-24% I blame Sanders especially for. I blame him for all he said and did that encouraged them to vote for anyone but Democrats.
Btw, 12% of Sanders primary voters voted directly for Trump, another 10% or so threw their votes away third-party instead of standing against Republicans, and 2% did not vote at all, presumably because they bought Sanders' message that Democrats and Republicans were both corrupt. Weak-minded and impressionistic, yes, but Sanders knew what they were and could have gotten most of the last 2 groups to the polls to vote Democrat but did not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)party money and distracting national attention from the candidates to do what he does.
The other possibility, of course, would be announcing a third-party campaign, perhaps necessary because his nomination was being stolen by the DNC and dozens of state Democratic Parties again. That one sold so well before, it's implanted like an militant religion among his zealous supporters. All he'd have to do is shake his head sorrowfully each Wednesday morning as he did in the later primaries, like oxygen blown into a fire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)The discussions about race should be harsh and painful and leave a scar on anyone not a victim of racism. Im of the opinion we need to show those scars and not hide behind whiteness. Anyone NOT a victim of racism has been a beneficiary of a system that oppresses.
It was always, always more than economic justicethat is just a convenient fiction to avoid those painful, harsh truth about race and gender and sexuality.
Im less angry, I used to say ( just a few months ago) Id be angry for the rest of my life. I will never forget however. The gaslighting, the distortions and the lies continues with a media with burned fingers that heal fast.
Now personally, I dont believe Bernie Sanders has any pathway to the presidency. Ive never believed that. Many people DO believe that and Im ok with it.
He is, though, a powerful fulcrum, of opinion and votes. We will see how this plays out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)The ones quoted in the article below, published today, when they have ample evidence for the horrific consequences of their choices, show me that this subset of his supporters is despicable. They have no problems sacrificing children in cages, Muslim Americans, women who want abortions - anyone who isn't their privileged contemptible selves on the altar of the 'revolution'. Heck, even the judiciary is probably destroyed for the next 50-60 years thanks to the Trumpian deplorables and these despicables. 20% of all judges nominated by a president is a Trump nominee as we speak! He still has nearly two more years to increase the destruction of any semblance of a rational, lawful judiciary.
Bernie or Bust Voters Create Predicament for Democrats in 2020
By Sahil Kapur
April 17, 2019, 10:00 AM GMT+2
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-17/-bernie-or-bust-voters-create-predicament-for-democrats-in-2020
Sometimes things have to get ugly before they get better, said Melissa Mallaber, a 46-year-old social worker who attended Sanders rally in Pittsburgh on Sunday. Theres such a thing as necessary evils in life to restore the balance.
....
I had this thought that maybe its gotta get real bad to get better, Donna Dunaj, 76, said at Sanders rally Saturday in Macomb County, Michigan. In other words, Trump wins, but we wouldnt let it happen again.
Dunaj said she backed Stein in 2016 and doesnt know how shed vote in 2020 if Sanders isnt the nominee.
....
I dont like that mentality, said Ronnie Hasting, a 36-year-old union ironworker who attended Sanders Pittsburgh rally. Removing Trump isnt the only goal. Electing a corporatist Democrat is counterproductive, hence my vote for Jill Stein in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)But sadly most of St. Bern's cabal who were telling Dems to stay home or vote Trump/Stein instead of Hillary have smartly scrubbed and bleached their twitter histories (I'm looking in your direction, David Fucking Sirota)...
No, not *every* Berner fucked us and most did fall in line, but enough Berners DID fuck us to make a difference... And most of them are right back where they were in 2016 pretending nothing happened.
I didn't trust them in 2016 and nothing I've seen in their actions since has given me any reason to trust them now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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seaglass
(8,171 posts)You spent a lot of time over at JPR, surely you know how many voted for Stein/wrote in Bernie.
So yeah, those people still suck.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)All three of us, long time Dems. In the general, I voted for Hillary. The other two, both long time Dems, both voted for Trump. It did not matter much because we live in California and it was a "for sure" for Hillary. However, both of my pals, both elderly and one female and one male, hated Hillary beyond belief. They hated her more than they hated Trump. However, both felt that Trump had no way of winning POTUS. Maybe this could have been some of the Trump cross-overs by Bernie supporters? The belief that there was no way the orange asshole could win coupled with a huge dislike of Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,595 posts)I feel he failed to deliver in 2016. As a Democrat running for the nomination, he had a responsibility to campaign hard for the Democratic nominee. He failed. Based on what I saw, he didn't try very hard at all.
Why in hell anyone thinks I should support him in the primary now, I have no idea. Particularly after he HIRES PEOPLE WHO CAMPAIGNED AGAINST HILLARY IN THE 2016 GENERAL ELECTION. If there was any hope of my support this year (unlikely, but) he sure torpedoed that when he hired those people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
namahage
(1,157 posts)Like a book to write that put him squarely in the millionaire's club.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,595 posts)to the extent what you say is true - that he worked on the book rather than working on electing the Dem nominee - fuck him.
It is the lack of effort to keep Trump out of the WH that pisses me off. And I was never a fan of Hillary running in the first place. I like Hillary as a person and think the attacks against her are largely false and/or grossly exaggerated. But the deck was stacked against her as a presidential candidate and I didn't like that the DNC jumped to promote someone so handicapped in such an important election (critical, given the state of the Supreme Court). But none of that absolves Sanders. None of it. And he compounds it by his divisive run this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,615 posts)...it wasnt pretty. Maybe we have ALL grown up since then..? Hope that doesnt happen again.....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)...and didn't share core values of Dems. If they were really Trumpers or spoilers, of course they acted badly.
It is also true that Bernie supporters feel they were treated badly as well, in the convention.
But we are not here to re-litigate.
We are here to find ways to WIN in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,100 posts)Link to tweet
"Can Bernie Sanders beat Donald Trump?" ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl asked Messina on the Powerhouse Politics podcast on Wednesday.
"No," Messina responded.,,,,
"I think if you look at swing voters in this country they are incredibly focused on the economy," Messina replied. "I think today you look at it and say that Bernie Sanders is unlikely going to be able to stand up to the constant barrage that is Donald Trump on economic issues."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,490 posts)We DO need to care about the OBAMA voters who crossed over to vote for Trump. And there were more than some people here are willing to acknowledge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
romainetarra
(51 posts)The Bernie friends I couldnt convert to Clinton were voting for somebody other. I think that hurt us as well. DOnt you?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
roody
(10,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I have no reason to feel anything but disgust for them all. I will not forget, I will not forgive. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)where polling shows that 100% of Mayor Buttigieg's supporters would vote for Senator Sanders if he is the nominee, but only 79% of the Senator's supporters said they'd vote for Mayor Buttigieg? 26% of them would not vote for Senator Warren.
This is this time around. If I understand the numbers correctly, there're also statistics that show as few as 51% of those who voted for Senator Sanders in the previous primary ended up voting for the Democratic nominee in the GE. Why shouldn't we be mad? Why shouldn't we be wary of anyone who says they support Senator Sanders based on these statistics? Many of them decided that they didn't care and don't care how many are killed, maimed, have their lives destroyed by the Trump administration, if they couldn't or can't get their choice. Secretary Clinton said that half of Trump's supporters were deplorables - she was being generous, but I would say that all those in that poll who will not vote for the Democratic nominee if it's anyone but Senator Sanders is of the same ilk. There is no thin veil of pretending not to know the consequences of such a choice anymore. We know now how bad it is, and can estimate correctly how much worse it is going to get if Trump isn't removed. Democracy in the US will be destroyed, and this is not hyperbole. Anyone who does not do their utmost to stop that is a deplorable. Voting for the Democratic nominee is the very minimum we can expect of anyone who does not want to be lumped in with the deplorables.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden