Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden has lost 2 primaries. What will be different this time?
He is up against a very wide Democratic primary field, and very weird incumbent. So that's different.
But what strengths does he have now that he didn't have then?
He would do a world of good if he were able to defeat Trump, but I'm not convinced he'll get more than the usual base out to vote, and that's not good enough as witnessed in 2016
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
spooky3
(34,498 posts)A lot of people would like to bring back the best of the Obama years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,809 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)With gerrymandering and the electoral college, and the persistent anti-Obama message - still now! (you'd think Trump was campaigning against him, let alone Clinton) How do you get beyound the base?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,812 posts)was an Excellent VP in his own right. He's had 8 years of executive experience with President Obama.
And, anyone who paid attention then would know that.. and stop worrying about his 2 runs for POTUS.
How about 3rd time a charm?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,498 posts)think matters the most to people who pay less attention than we do here to politics, is the association and hope for a repeat to some extent. I dont think most people could tell you what he did as VP (or what most other VPs did, except the bad ones).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,812 posts)of valuable strong connections while VP.. I've read our allies know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,389 posts)ways.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)That's a massive amount of experience even without being VP. Still didn't really help him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FBaggins
(26,775 posts)Didnt really help him? He did become VP, right?
Only the governors can compete on relevant experience and even they dont come close.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Butterflylady
(3,553 posts)Hillary didn't make either. Second try she made it. I honestly don't get the point. Nixon lost a presidential race to Kennedy. Didn't stop him from getting the republican nomination and running again. Just because this is his 3rd try makes no difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,046 posts)Voters always need to know some of the accomplishments in office.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,384 posts)So?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(7,384 posts)I was just going from the op. Regardless, how many times is too much? If Sanders looses this time will that be too many times and he shouldn't run again?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
but that is the case with every candidate. I do my best not to participate in the slamming.
Keeponkeeponin,
Eko.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But, WOW, are we lucky that he ran the last two instead of giving up and not trying the 15th time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)...he now has eight years of vice presidential experience, he is easily the current frontrunner, and currently his biggest threat (Sanders) is not very much of a threat...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)He would certainly know, either himself or by well fermented peeps, how to take the reigns.
Thing is, no one knows what that would look like yet. And I think it would be really good, in the current political climate, if he came out quick with some policies, and, of course, an endorsement for the Green New Deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Got Bin Laden
Many other accomplishments.
The argument against Biden is certainly not his resume.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:52 PM - Edit history (1)
He withdrew in September 1987, 5 months before the Iowa caucus.
He did lose in 2008 like Bernie did in 2016. So theyve lost the same number of primaries.
Whats different about Bernie this time? Judging from his disaster of a CNN town hall, and his cringe worthy showing at She The People, the answer is a resounding not much.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
4139
(1,893 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)and trying to ask for help with concern OPs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)I see some of that from supporters of another popular candidate here who probably got the impression this was going to be easy at some point over the last few weeks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)who were thinking it was in the bag for him. I saw someone say "Sanders is inevitable"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:45 PM - Edit history (1)
when he was going up against someone who'd already lost one herself, was the subject of investigations, and had a lot going against her, and got very few votes from POC.
Now, he faces a very wide field, some very progressive.
So what's different? What strengths does he have now?
The reality is that Biden and Sanders both have strengths and weaknesses. Every election is different. Biden has never entered an election as the favorite or even among the favorites. So that right there is "different." Biden was an 8 year VP next to one of our most beloved Democratic Presidents since FDR. That right there is "different."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)edit? trying to understand.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mahina
(17,715 posts)Also hes an endearing if you listen to him speak, unless its about Anita Hill
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)That still doesn't change who is he as a person: a gaffe-prone dude with an extremely unappealing voting record.
Yeah, everything that people disliked about him in 2007 is still there. He didn't suddenly turn into Obama just because he's now associated with him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)Not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,226 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Our country is facing a lethal situation. People are going to tend to look harder at each candidate and that there could very possibly make the difference from his last runs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)number of occasions so it stuck with me...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doreen
(11,686 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,163 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)I am honestly surprised he is running. At a time when the party seems to be divided (although I think this is more media fuelled than it is a reality) his declaring to run as a progressive ("the most progressive candidate" is really going to come back and slap him. Ex-Reb Warren can run progressive circles around him!
Again, what's going to be different? And that does not include being Obama's VP - which is not going to show anything different.
Yes, Obama got not just the US, but arguably the whole western world out of a bank collapse by letting the banks dictate the solution, but that bandaid is getting septic and peeling.
Next?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)He was coming out of the gate as VP. There is trust attached to the obama administration.
Millennials loved obama. My own millennial son who hero worships obama, also loves biden. He will vote for him. He once liked Sanders, but Biden wins over sanders by a landslide. He also doesn't fall for the creepy joe propaganda. I would imagine there are a lot of young people who feel the same way.
The obama administration is the safe/happy place before the storm from hell came into the WH. Biden was part of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,163 posts)I want to look to the future now, not the past. Looking to the past is what magats do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Are in the 1950s. Obama and Biden were only a few yrs ago.
This isnt about fresh blood. This is about winning. When we get our country back in the grips of dems, strengthen our democracy, then we can think about fresh and new. And even then, I will always fear unknown, untested candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)It was all real, and it had been brewing for some time.
I think when Biden's record on bankruptcy and Glass-Steigal is re-hashed for the next 12 months, as the economy crashes, it may be hard to stand tall beside the safe/happy narrative.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)About the integrity of our elections. The fitness of our democracy to stand another president like trump and not become a dictatorship. The non-ability of a novice to put the pieces of our broken govt back again.
Bernie will not be it. Hes anti NATO. And he has so many more worrisome red flags. He and Tulsi Gabbard were the first people off my list. Those who have no experience in federal govt also get a no.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)You should be vigilant.
Who is president is not going to change any of that.
Are you worried that SBS will start looking not only at Russian interference, but at all of them?
Biden, unfortunately, has a record of interference in at least Ukraine. I haven't been looking into it, but because of his tenure as VP, I'm sure vetting will bring out more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)I...we...worry about other foreign threats, but as far as election interference, russia is the main threat right now. They need serious sanctions and putin needs to actually pay the price.
As far as bernie, I question his connections with russia. His record on voting for sanctions, his anti-NATO stance, his interest in creating a NATO 2.0 stated on the record a few yrs ago with Russia and middle eastern countries...the mueller report statement where Russia said they support trump and sanders... these are VERY concerning.
I know nothing about Biden/Ukraine. Bring it on if there is something there. But Im woke, and immunized against conspiracy theories, if thats what its about. If there was interference though, it is no way near the level of what russian did to us, and other countries. Not even close. Our country has always promoted democracy in other countries, which unfortunately other dictatorships have classified as interference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,429 posts)And just who's going to be doing all of that "re-hashing"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,163 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doreen
(11,686 posts)admit that is a small part of why I want him. He is the closest to what we had with Obama. Like I said it is only a small part, more like a fleeting after thought but still a thought.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Just s small bit. Im really thinking strategy mostly, then ability as far as experience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doreen
(11,686 posts)and good personality like Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)I also do believe Joe can think forwardly and his VP (likely Kamala Harris) can as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Nothing normal about that. so you're remembering a time that did not exist.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)For sure we will always have RW lunatics but with a Biden admin at least the exec branch will be "normal".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)going over the edge. but i want a candidate that backs us away from it too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)But I think the voters want stability more than big progressive changes at this point in time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)we know Joe better now and like him a whole lot more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)this word is not lightly used.
Proof of his magnificence please?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Cha
(297,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KayF
(1,345 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
at a time when that's the most important thing for a lot of people.
for example
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/PPP_Release_National_12219.pdf
Raleigh, N.C. PPP's newest national poll finds that at the midway point of Donald
Trump's term as President, he's a clear underdog for reelection.
Trump gets just 41 or 42% in head to head match ups against 7 likely Democratic
candidates for President. He trails Joe Biden 53-41, Bernie Sanders 51-41, Kamala Harris
48-41, Beto ORourke 47-41, Elizabeth Warren 48-42, and Cory Booker and Kirsten
Gillibrand each 47-42.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)I don't click on tweets unless close friends, but I do see from this poll, https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_US_042319/ that Biden is down from 80 to 76 and Sanders is up 68 to 70 in favorability rating.
So yes, Biden is up, but he's dropping.
And the Morning Consult poll also shows Biden dropping from 35% to 30% and Sanders dropping 27% to 24% in this latest Morning Consult poll https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/ so
Biden is dropping faster than Bernie.
So, all in all, I think it is very brave for Biden to step in. He has some work to do.
I just hope whoever wins will support the Green New Deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)I think I can trust him on the subject.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KayF
(1,345 posts)I'm making an effort not to post tweets, since that's the main way fake news spreads. I replaced it with a direct link to the poll.
But I was talking specifically about polls vs. Trump one-to-one. I actually think the one I posted is one of the lower ones, I think Biden's advantage is greater than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
srobertss
(261 posts)I am getting this from fivethirtyeight.com I think he's ahead of Trump by about 8 points, Bernie is ahead by about 3 points, and the rest are neck and neck with Trump. I know it's early, but that's what I'm going to keep my eye on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Once the other candidates get the opportunity to fully introduce themselves to the American people, I fully expect that to change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
srobertss
(261 posts)and I will keep my eye on it. When it comes time to vote in the primaries, that will be a big factor in my final decision. I love Sanders and Warren, but when it comes right down to it, we dont know how much impact Russian meddling had and what new stuff they have in store for 2020. Plus Trump has no intention of protecting elections. They say there are people in his administration working on it nevertheless, but I dont trust them.
I had been on board with vote for the candidate you like, because Trump will be beaten by just about any of them. But as time has gone on I notice Im getting jittery. I want as big a margin of error as possible. I think my 2016 election trauma is getting triggered.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(15,686 posts)And his history re: Anita Hill May affect turnout of WOC in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)These are things of history; why does anyone think they are formulaic?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Doesnt mean you cant win the next one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)taking office in 1860.
So, should Lincoln have given up because he was defeated so much? I am the type of person that sees a setback as a growth and learning experience in a long game, never as a final out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)sorry blue_true. I could have posted this response to any of the above. I feel the question I asked in the OP has been lost.
What will Biden do to win a larger % than the solid base would be a way to re-frame it.
Also, I'm not a Lincoln scholar. Are there parallels with reigning political sentiment btwn him and Biden? Is Biden doing things that Lincoln did?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(15,686 posts)No Former Democratic VP has been elected President in the past 100 years, maybe ever. (Im not counting Truman and Johnson, who only faced voters once they were incumbent presidents).
Humphrey lost
Mondale lost
Gore lost (I know, I know...)
Among Republicans, only Nixon and Bush 41 won; Dole lost (I know, he was just a former VP candidate), Quayle didnt even make it through the Primary...
Being VP is not a guarantee of electability by any means.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)for a return to a Presidency that people can feel proud about, not ashamed. For a return to civility in public and political discourse, not a barrage of elementary school insults. For a return to a government that actually cares about the less fortunate members of its society, not a kleptocracy that seeks to exploit the weak as well as the loopholes in the law.
Of all the potential Democratic candidates for President in 2020 I firmly believe that Joe Biden is the package that comes closest to answering this yearning on the part of a great majority of the electorate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)that is what is different this time. His strength that nobody else has is he is known by our partners and government players throughout. Many of those players have left service now and we need a SEASONED HAND to quickly get to work like we have never needed before. Our allies need consoling...we need JOE to grab that thread that is unraveling us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
(7,384 posts)He withdrew from the other two.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PupCamo
(288 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PDittie
(8,322 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided