Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is running for President. Everyone else ...
... in the field of Democratic candidates allegedly running for President are actually running for Vice-President, with one exception, and that's ...
For better or for worse, JOE BIDEN will, almost certainly, be our 2020 nominee, and, at this point, everyone else in the field is running for Vice President, with the notable exception of Bernie Sanders, as I mentioned, above.
Discuss.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Naturally, I would prefer Biden/Beto.
Cheers! 😎
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)He could deliver deliver Texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)But Beto speaks Spanish, and we are going to win California, no matter whom we nominate.
These things matter.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)... but I cant help seeing what I see.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
P. S. I am a Beto supporter. 😎
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But I am skeptical that Biden is really such a sure thing both in the primaries and the general. It is still early. Your candidate and mine both have campaigning and debating strengths that could allow them to the lead. I think Warren could shine in the debates too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)... and that was before he announced his candidacy. My sense of the party is that we want to beat Trump, no matter what, and that we would vote for the yellow dog to do so. The polls have consistently shown that Joe is our consensus yellow dog, and yes. I am a Beto supporter, but I admit that I am enthusiastic about Mayor Pete, as well.
Cheers!
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I like Beto as well.
A lot of people won't decide until the debates, and a good ground game in Iowa and New Hampshire can create surprises. I'm not ready to call anyone a true frontrunner until at least the fall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Theres a certain sense in which he feels he can do it all by himselfby sheer force of will and personality, but I see no way to beat Biden. Now that he has formally entered the race, I think he is a fait accomplis. We want to beat Trump. All we need to do is keep the electoral college map stable and then pull Pennsylvania (Bidens home state), and we win.
I agree that early polling should be viewed with suspicion, but the early polls have been outrageously consistentfor quite some time. I think that Biden will be our nominee. I hope that Beto is our choice for V.P.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JaneQPublic
(7,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)Do I think it ultimately will come down to Bernie vs. Joe? Yes, absolutely!
And, may the best Democratic candidate win... then, we should all rally around him or her and vote blue, no matter who!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I begged Elizabeth Warren to run against Hillary in 2016, but Warren, being who she is, made it clear that she would not run against Hillary Clintonthe most qualified and experienced candidate that the Democratic Party has ever fielded for the office of President of the United States. I respected Ms. Warrens decision on that subject, and I adore her to this day, but I think that she would accept an offer from Joe Biden to join him on the Democratic ticket. In fact, I think that all the candidates currently running would be happy to serve as Vice President under a hypothetical President Biden ... except Bernie Sanders.
Thank you for the reply.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)Bernie will be faced with that decision.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,817 posts)That said, I cant imagine any candidate offering it to him except Tulsi, so Bernie is unlikely to be faced with any such decision.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I wish Bernie was more of a team player, but I am in line with his stands on most issues.
Cheers! 😎
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Whatever good points he has, being a good follower is not one of them, and he knows he that. A VP has to do what he's told, so why would he suddenly shut his mouth and play nice?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Hes never been a team player, and thats why I dont think that he would ever settle for being V.P.
Cheers!
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,787 posts)Because of Biden's age he would probably serve only one term, and his VP would be set up very nicely as the Dem nominee for 2024. Nobody is going to want a running mate who will be 83 in 2024.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)But, if Joe did make the offer, I could see Bernie accepting, given his devotion to serving his country and the defeat of trump his presence on the ticket would guarantee.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,787 posts)like Kamala Harris. One old white guy might manage (if it's Biden) but two old white guys is a recipe for disaster. Women and PoC would stay home in droves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Joe met with her in DC recently.
🤔
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,787 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cosmocat
(14,886 posts)the guy can't even stand to be a democrat when he isn't running for POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)I didnt think he was going to run at first but now that he is officially in I think he's unstoppable
I will totally support him even though my preference would have been Kamala. I think Biden/Harris would be a very strong ticket against any Repub opponent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)We must beat Trump, and if JOE is the best vehicle we have to do so, so be it. Electability remains the primary consideration of Democratic Party voters, and Joe is perceived as being electable.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Hillary was the presumptive candidate when she ran against Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
We will see what we see, but an open election is a different thing from running against a sitting President. Trump must go, and I think that the party will make the safe choice (i.e.Biden), for better or for worse, in order to insure that Trump is evicted from office in 2020.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Well said.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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brooklynite
(96,882 posts)They are definitely RUNNING for President whether they'll accept VP or not, and there's not certainty one of them will be the VP choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)This is democracy in action. Thank you. 😎
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am astounded that this thread was alerted upon. We are all on the same team. In my mind, this is a discussion among people who care and who are interested in the political dynamics of the Democratic Party. We ALL want Trump to lose in 2020. Whats the problem, here?
🤔
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)Some of these people here are off the wall on alerting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,795 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,078 posts)best cat pics of the day forum
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)but discussing the primaries is even more fun. LOL.
🤣
Cheers! 😎
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)If Joe is the person who can throw Trump out of office, I am all for him, but I hope he chooses Beto as his running mate. Beto speaks Spanish, and his presence on the ticket might flip Arizona. It might even flip Texas, and, without Texas, the Republicans are doomed.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(10,238 posts)
for Biden or Bernie... a couple of the others will have exciting debate appearances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)... but I would rather have the election tomorrow. Recent polling says that Biden beats Trump by 10 points if the election were held now.
TRUMP MUST GO!
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maven
(10,533 posts)I wonder why that is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)But Trump must go, and my sense of the party (as expressed in polls, consistently, for months) is that Joe Biden has the best chance, of all our excellent candidates, to defeat Trump. I think that the party will choose the safe route ... Joe Biden ... for better or for worse.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maven
(10,533 posts)And I agree that as of now, he looks like the most solid candidate against trump polling-wise (although there is a long campaign ahead).
I'm just pointing out that the "inevitability" factor seems to be a turnoff for certain candidates and not others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thank you for engaging me on this topic.
Cheers! 😎
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)But I would very much like to hear why you feel that the opinion I expressed is nonsense. Would you care to elaborate?
🤔
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)What leads you to believe that? Early polls based on name recognition mean absolutely nothing. The debates haven't started yet and a lot the candidates are still virtual unknowns.
I've heard this sort of thing way too often in the past to ever take it seriously. Hillary Clinton will "almost certainly" be the nominee for the Democratic Party in 2008. Jeb Bush will "almost certainly" be the nominee for the Republican Party in 2016. How did that end up panning out?
I don't think Biden is a very strong candidate at all. He has a tendency to say dumb things and his record is much worse than virtually every other candidate. There doesn't seem to be much substance to his campaign other than "Vote for me because I'm better than Trump" and that's not remotely inspiring.
Obama rescued Biden from spending the rest of his life as a senator and that's the only reason anyone is still talking about him. Running on his own merits has never worked out for him in the past and I don't think that will change.
Sorry, but I find these predictions irksome. I didn't like it when I heard it about Hillary Clinton and I don't like it now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Joe Biden is NOT my first choice, nor is he my second or third choice, but I have a sense that the party, in its focused and intense desire to defeat Trump, will take the safe choice, and thats Joe Biden, for better or for worse. We will see what we see. Anything can happen, but my sense of the party is that we are agreed (and the polls have shown for months) that Joe is our favorite, and that we think he has the best chance of beating Trump.
Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Again, I see him as just coasting on name recognition. People aren't supporting the Joe Biden who was a senator for 35 years, they're supporting the image he projected as Obama's right-hand man. Once he reminds people of his time as a senator, which he'll have to do, I fully expect him to drop in the polls.
Name recognition isn't enough to save a candidate if they're flawed. Hillary had 100% name recognition in 2007 and Obama had almost none. He still beat her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)There's no certainty for Joe or any other candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thank you for the reply.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden