Report From Gaza: "Devastating" Israeli Raid to Free 4 Hostages Kills 270+ Palestinians

[Uncle Joe]

In one of the single bloodiest Israeli attacks in Gaza over the last eight months, at least 274 Palestinians were killed, including at least 64 children, and nearly 700 were wounded in a raid on the Nuseirat refugee camp on Saturday that freed four Israelis held hostage in Gaza since October 7. "Children were shot dead. Elderly people were shot dead. Women were shot dead," says Gaza-based journalist Akram al-Satarri, who was at the Nuseirat refugee camp on Saturday. Speaking to us from outside the Al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir al-Balah — one of the last remaining hospitals that are partially functioning in Gaza — al-Satarri says the death toll is rising by the minute, as wounded Palestinians aren't able to receive the care they need. Al-Satarri also discusses the World Food Programme's recent suspension of aid operations in Gaza City and Israel's withholding of aid on the entire Gaza Strip.

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[Richard D]

1. This could have been prevented so easily . . .

. . . had Hamas never taken the hostages or, since they were stupid enough to take them, by releasing them.

Every death is on Hamas.

[Gaugamela]

2. Just think how much bloodshed could have been avoided if the Nakba never happened.

[Richard D]

4. Sure . . .

. . . All you need is a time machine. And there's a lot more to it than most know.

However, today is today, now is now. And October 7 happened, and hostages were taken.

What is the solution now? We need to discuss now and not go back 70 years in time as an excuse for every atrocity of today.

Do we have a vast movement in this country of Native American terrorists? Terrorism from People of Color? Japanese? Germans? Nope, we don't. And all had horrible atrocities committed against them.

[JohnSJ]

6. Nakba, Another term which twists what actually happened in that

period which some not so subtly use to justify eliminating Israel.

[Richard D]

7. Exactly nt

[TeamProg]

11. Though I do believe that Israel is a legitimate nation, Nakba was a real thing. Almost a million Palestinians were

displaced and their culture forever changed.

There's no way to smooth it over, their land was taken from them, yes or no?

[Beastly Boy]

14. Nakba as you know it is only half of the story. The other half is being smoothed over, rather thoroughly.

Jewish exodus from the Muslim world

In the 20th century, approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia. Primarily a consequence of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

Does this Nakba deserve no recognition at all? Why not?

[TeamProg]

10. Completely different. Perhaps if they were slaughtered in mass as were Gazans. There were Native American raids on the

European invaders that could be defined as terrorism, but white man had the U.S. Army.. Didn't stand a chance. White men called the natives "savages" to dehumanize them so their lives were worth less then whites'.

History will not be kind.

[Bad Thoughts]

5. Yes, Arab nations should never have attacked nascent Israel

[xocetaceans]

8. What history of the region informs your opinion? Is there a text that you would recommend as being...

...well sourced and unbiased?

One position might be that the "Nakba" was a direct result of one group waging a war and losing. As such, it might be taken that holding to the "Nakba" now might be seen as roughly equivalent to holding to the Confederacy's "Lost Cause" now. Are there credible historical sources that can be cited which show that that proposed approximation should not be considered as accurate?

[Richard D]

12. Accurate is such a difficult term.

And I don't have any books to recommend. This is an interesting article though, that might prove a starting point. I've read dozens of articles and blogs about this, but sadly I have not kept track of them.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-nakba-obsession

[xocetaceans]

13. That is a very interesting read and does have some starting points for research. Yes, "accurate" is a difficult term...

..., but it not clear that any of "correct", "true", "valid", "apt", "appropriate", etc. would be much better in its stead. Maybe "similar" would be a better word, but the whole sentence would have to be rephrased to incorporate that term.

Regardless, it seems far from clear to me that the "Nakba", as it were, is much different than the "Lost Cause" of the Confederacy in that they both seem to be lingering justifications in the minds of some among the defeated who would like to continue a conflict that was decided at a point in time that is getting closer to one century ago and to two centuries ago, respectively.

Thanks for the link.

[Richard D]

16. And more, from Time Magazine 1948

The narrative of now is all a lie.

https://time.com/vault/issue/1948-05-03/page/27/

[Richard D]

15. This is good

The Nakba Narrative is Nonsense
By: Alex Safian, PhD May 17, 2023

In the years since Israel’s rebirth in 1948 a narrative has taken root, a narrative that portrays well-armed and financed Jewish immigrants overrunning peaceful Palestinian villages, brutally expelling Palestinians from their homes and their country, a narrative summed up in the Arabic word nakba, or catastrophe. In contrast, Israelis view their War of Independence as a battle of the few against the many, a battle forced on a beleaguered Jewish community by Palestinian militias and the invading armies of five Arab states, leading to competing “narratives” about that period which lie at the heart of the Arab-Israeli conflict. If, as is believed almost uniformly throughout the Arab world, Israel was born in original sin, if the Jews really did ransack placid Palestinian villages, murdering children in front of parents and parents in front of children, and expelling whoever was left, then Palestinian hatred for Israel and Jews would be understandable, as would their fundamental refusal to really make peace with Israel.

https://www.camera.org/article/nakba-narrative-is-nonsense/

[xocetaceans]

17. Thanks for the further links.... n/t

[xocetaceans]

3. How very true.

[TeamProg]

9. 'That dog would not have had to be put down if it didn't bite me after I provoked it'. Dog's fault.