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Related: About this forum'I'm outraged': House Judiciary Democrat says no one in Congress was briefed before Venezuela strike - The Weekend MS NOW
Rep. Becca Balint, D-Vt, says no one in Congress was briefed before Trump's military strike on Venezuela, where U.S. forces captured President Nicolás Maduro.
"This was not necessary, this was not legal and we saw this coming. This has been the plan the entire time. It was never about narco drug trafficking, this was about oil, this was about minerals, this was about regime change." - Aired on 01/03/2026.
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'I'm outraged': House Judiciary Democrat says no one in Congress was briefed before Venezuela strike - The Weekend MS NOW (Original Post)
Rhiannon12866
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This was NOT a military operation but a FBI arrest operation being protected by the military
LetMyPeopleVote
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LetMyPeopleVote
(174,853 posts)1. This was NOT a military operation but a FBI arrest operation being protected by the military
Here is Professor Vladeck's analysis of this "arrest". The military went in to protect two FBI agents who went into Venezuela to arrest Maduro. According to this legal theory, this was NOT a military operation but a FBI arrest operation being protected by the military. I agree with Professor Vladeck that this legal theory is pure BS.
"If we hadnât already, weâve unquestionably joined the league of ordinary nationsâa league in which weâre acting as little more than a bully, and in circumstances in which no obvious principle of self-defense, human rights, or even humantarianism writ large justifies our bellicosity."
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T21:32:42.911Z
Me on Maduro:
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro
Although different administration officials (and supporters) have said different things publicly and on social media throughout the day on Saturday, the basic legal argument appears to be that the military operation was in support of the extraterritorial criminal arrests of the Maduros.
The basis for that argument is the merger of two strands of legal arguments that have long been made by the Department of Justicebut never blessed by the Supreme Court. The first strand traces to a deeply controversial 1989 DOJ Office of Legal Counsel memorandum by then-Assistant Attorney General Bill Barr (yes, the same one), which concluded that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use the FBI for extraterritorial arrests, even in circumstances in which the arrests violate international law (e.g., by infringing upon a foreign nations sovereignty). The memo also concluded, quite usefully, that such arrests dont violate the Fourth Amendment. The second strand is DOJs longstanding view that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use military force to protect federal institutions and officers in the exercise of their federal duties. Thus, in a textbook example of the tail wagging the dog, the military force was merely the means by which President Trump protected the handful of FBI personnel who apparently were involved in the actual arrests.
Question #2: Okay, So Why Are Those Arguments Unpersuasive?
Without attempting to be exhaustive, it seems to me that there are at least three things to say about these arguments:
First, note how any reliance upon the Barr Memo is giving up the ghost on the (obvious) violations of Venezuelas sovereigntyand, thus, the U.N. Charter (to say nothing of myriad other international agreements and precepts of customary international law). Theres no attempt to even try to argue that this operation was consistent with international lawfor the obvious reason that it isnt. (There had been some suggestion earlier in the day that the Trump administration might try to identify Venezuelan officials who had invited the United States to breach Venezuelas sovereignty, but that hasnt gone anywhere.) Thus, unlike the boat strikes, which have all occurred in the legally grayer area of international waters, Friday nights operation involves a textbook violation of foreign sovereignty for which the Trump administrations principal response appears to be whatever.
Second, it is the epitome of bootstrapping to use the idea of unit self-defense as the basis for sending troops into a foreign country so that a handful of civilian law enforcement officers can exercise authority they wouldnt be able to exercise but for the military support. My friend and former State Department lawyer (and Cardozo law professor) Bec Ingber has written in detail about why the unit self-defense argument is effectively a slippery slope toward all-out war, and shes right. It seems just as important to point out that the U.S. constitutional law argument seems just as limitless. If Article II authorizes the use of military force whenever a foreign national living outside the United States has been indicted in a U.S. court, that could become a pretext for the United States to use military force almost anywherein circumstances that could easily (and quickly) escalate to full-fledged hostilities. Something tells me the Founders, who were deeply wary of military power, would not exactly see this as consistent with what they wroteat least until and unless Congress had done something to authorize, or even acquiesce in, these kinds of distinctly offensive military operations.
Third, and perhaps most importantly, the closest relevant historical precedent for this episodethe U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation Just Cause), which resulted in the deposing and arrest of Manuel Noriegais distinguishable in one critical respect: In the Panama example, the Panamaian general assembly had formally declared a state of war against the United States, and a U.S. Marine had been shot and killed, before President George H.W. Bush authorized the underlying operation. And even then, theres still nothing approaching consensus that Operation Just Cause was actually consistent with U.S. law; Congress passed no statute authorizing hostilities, and it was hard to see how the situation in Panama posed any kind of imminent threat to U.S. territory sufficient to trigger the Presidents Article II powersjust like the Trump administrations narco-trafficking claims seem difficult to reconcile with where fentanyl actually comes from (Mexico) or the Trump administrations own behavior (like pardoning former Honduran president-turned-cocaine-trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández). In other words, the only real precedent for what happened Friday night doesnt provide any legal support for the United States actions.
The basis for that argument is the merger of two strands of legal arguments that have long been made by the Department of Justicebut never blessed by the Supreme Court. The first strand traces to a deeply controversial 1989 DOJ Office of Legal Counsel memorandum by then-Assistant Attorney General Bill Barr (yes, the same one), which concluded that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use the FBI for extraterritorial arrests, even in circumstances in which the arrests violate international law (e.g., by infringing upon a foreign nations sovereignty). The memo also concluded, quite usefully, that such arrests dont violate the Fourth Amendment. The second strand is DOJs longstanding view that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use military force to protect federal institutions and officers in the exercise of their federal duties. Thus, in a textbook example of the tail wagging the dog, the military force was merely the means by which President Trump protected the handful of FBI personnel who apparently were involved in the actual arrests.
Question #2: Okay, So Why Are Those Arguments Unpersuasive?
Without attempting to be exhaustive, it seems to me that there are at least three things to say about these arguments:
First, note how any reliance upon the Barr Memo is giving up the ghost on the (obvious) violations of Venezuelas sovereigntyand, thus, the U.N. Charter (to say nothing of myriad other international agreements and precepts of customary international law). Theres no attempt to even try to argue that this operation was consistent with international lawfor the obvious reason that it isnt. (There had been some suggestion earlier in the day that the Trump administration might try to identify Venezuelan officials who had invited the United States to breach Venezuelas sovereignty, but that hasnt gone anywhere.) Thus, unlike the boat strikes, which have all occurred in the legally grayer area of international waters, Friday nights operation involves a textbook violation of foreign sovereignty for which the Trump administrations principal response appears to be whatever.
Second, it is the epitome of bootstrapping to use the idea of unit self-defense as the basis for sending troops into a foreign country so that a handful of civilian law enforcement officers can exercise authority they wouldnt be able to exercise but for the military support. My friend and former State Department lawyer (and Cardozo law professor) Bec Ingber has written in detail about why the unit self-defense argument is effectively a slippery slope toward all-out war, and shes right. It seems just as important to point out that the U.S. constitutional law argument seems just as limitless. If Article II authorizes the use of military force whenever a foreign national living outside the United States has been indicted in a U.S. court, that could become a pretext for the United States to use military force almost anywherein circumstances that could easily (and quickly) escalate to full-fledged hostilities. Something tells me the Founders, who were deeply wary of military power, would not exactly see this as consistent with what they wroteat least until and unless Congress had done something to authorize, or even acquiesce in, these kinds of distinctly offensive military operations.
Third, and perhaps most importantly, the closest relevant historical precedent for this episodethe U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation Just Cause), which resulted in the deposing and arrest of Manuel Noriegais distinguishable in one critical respect: In the Panama example, the Panamaian general assembly had formally declared a state of war against the United States, and a U.S. Marine had been shot and killed, before President George H.W. Bush authorized the underlying operation. And even then, theres still nothing approaching consensus that Operation Just Cause was actually consistent with U.S. law; Congress passed no statute authorizing hostilities, and it was hard to see how the situation in Panama posed any kind of imminent threat to U.S. territory sufficient to trigger the Presidents Article II powersjust like the Trump administrations narco-trafficking claims seem difficult to reconcile with where fentanyl actually comes from (Mexico) or the Trump administrations own behavior (like pardoning former Honduran president-turned-cocaine-trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández). In other words, the only real precedent for what happened Friday night doesnt provide any legal support for the United States actions.
trump is in effect arguing that Congress did not need to be notified since this was merely a FBI arrest operation where the FBI agents were protected by the military
Rhiannon12866
(250,058 posts)2. Thanks so much for these important details!