Octafish
Octafish's JournalSo what? Oswald in Mexico City was no misidentification.
Someone was operating the guy, connecting dots from Dallas to Oswald to Mexico City to Havana to Moscow.
It was so important, the Nov. 23, 1963 conversation in which President Lyndon Johnson and FBI director J Edgar Hoover discussed Oswald's impersonation in Mexico City was so important, it was erased. No accident, as the conversations before and after that one phone call still exist on the tape. What we know about the episode:
Part 2:
SOURCE: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/The_Fourteen_Minute_Gap
Those interested in learning more may enjoy: The Framing of Oswald.
As for knowing all the answers: I don't. That's why I want to see the records about all this released -- and the testimony of witnesses still living recorded.
What ''conspiracy-relishing coverage of the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination''?
Every one of those programs on Detroit television "concluded" Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
Did anyone see a program on national television stating CIA withheld documents from the Warren Commission, the Church Committee, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), the Assassination Archives Research Bureau (AARB)?
I didn't.
PS: "Buffs" is a loaded term. Its use demonstrates where Dr. Earle is coming from.
''ut nihil non iisdem verbis redderetur auditum.''
"Thus, nothing that has been heard can be retold in the same words."
Thank you, CanSocDem. It was amazing.
One of the important points covered in the discussion and play was Kennedy and his policy toward Vietnam. A member of the audience asked Douglas how he could be so certain that JFK would have pulled U.S. military support from South Vietnam? Douglass quoted Bobby Kennedy, who had been asked the same question by Arthur Schlessinger. RFK pounded the table and shouted:
"Because we were there!"
The Politician: In 1951, JFK (in rear right) in Vietnam on a fact finding tour with the French. Kennedy was critical of U.S. support of the French there, saying, "We have allied ourselves to the desperate effort of a French regime to hang on to the remnants of empire."
ETA Source: http://www.historyplace.com/kennedy/politician-vietnam-tour.htm
Fidel should know. CIA hired MAFIA to kill him.
Seems like the guy who signed off on the idea failed to tell the Warren Commission because he was on it.
The two are related, certainly.
While I try to shine light on the fascist crapola from 50 years ago, I also shine light on stopping it in the present day.
It's also why I vote Democratic. Our party does something about it, like standing for Peace with Tehran and standing up to the NSA-Supreme KKKort Spy Ring.
That allegation would not stand up in court.
Lt. J. C. Day, the forensic guy from Dallas PD didn't follow procedures; not even those he, himself, had followed earlier, like taking photos of each print as it came off the various parts of the Mannlicher-Carcano carbine.
http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/palmprint.htm
Wrong. Why spread what Allen Dulles wants you to say, zappaman?
Going by all your replies on them, I'm not surprised you don't want DU to see these examples of what we've learned since the CIA told us to "move on, nothing to see here."
JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings
JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee
JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power
JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963
JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination
Lots of new information there, including a lot more stuff Allen Dulles doesn't want you to know about. What a coincidence.
JFK vs. the Military
by Robert Dallek
The Atlantic, Sept. 10 2013
EXCERPT...
From the start of his presidency, Kennedy feared that the Pentagon brass would overreact to Soviet provocations and drive the country into a disastrous nuclear conflict. The Soviets might have been pleased—or understandably frightened—to know that Kennedy distrusted America’s military establishment almost as much as they did.
JFK Special Issue
The Joint Chiefs of Staff reciprocated the new president’s doubts. Lemnitzer made no secret of his discomfort with a 43-year-old president who he felt could not measure up to Dwight D. Eisenhower, the former five-star general Kennedy had succeeded. Lemnitzer was a West Point graduate who had risen in the ranks of Eisenhower’s World War II staff and helped plan the successful invasions of North Africa and Sicily. The 61-year-old general, little known outside military circles, stood 6 feet tall and weighed 200 pounds, with a bearlike frame, booming voice, and deep, infectious laugh. Lemnitzer’s passion for golf and his ability to drive a ball 250 yards down a fairway endeared him to Eisenhower. More important, he shared his mentor’s talent for maneuvering through Army and Washington politics. Also like Ike, he wasn’t bookish or particularly drawn to grand strategy or big-picture thinking—he was a nuts-and-bolts sort of general who made his mark managing day-to-day problems.
To Kennedy, Lemnitzer embodied the military’s old thinking about nuclear weapons. The president thought a nuclear war would bring mutually assured destruction—MAD, in the shorthand of the day—while the Joint Chiefs believed the United States could fight such a conflict and win. Sensing Kennedy’s skepticism about nukes, Lemnitzer questioned the new president’s qualifications to manage the country’s defense. Since Eisenhower’s departure, he lamented in shorthand, no longer was “a Pres with mil exp available to guide JCS.” When the four-star general presented the ex-skipper with a detailed briefing on emergency procedures for responding to a foreign military threat, Kennedy seemed preoccupied with possibly having to make “a snap decision” about whether to launch a nuclear response to a Soviet first strike, by Lemnitzer’s account. This reinforced the general’s belief that Kennedy didn’t sufficiently understand the challenges before him.
Admiral Arleigh Burke, the 59-year-old chief of naval operations, shared Lemnitzer’s doubts. An Annapolis graduate with 37 years of service, Burke was an anti-Soviet hawk who believed that U.S. military officials needed to intimidate Moscow with threatening rhetoric. This presented an early problem for Kennedy, in that Burke “pushed his black-and-white views of international affairs with bluff naval persistence,” the Kennedy aide and historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. later wrote. Kennedy had barely settled into the Oval Office when Burke planned to publicly assail “the Soviet Union from hell to breakfast,” according to Arthur Sylvester, a Kennedy-appointed Pentagon press officer who brought the proposed speech text to the president’s attention. Kennedy ordered the admiral to back off and required all military officers on active duty to clear any public speeches with the White House. Kennedy did not want officers thinking they could speak or act however they wished.
CONTINUED..
http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/jfk-vs-the-military/309496/
Bamford is great, a sage. The more we learn, the easier it isto see JFK was facing a "Seven Days in May" situation from Day One. Nixon the warmonger vp would've fitright in.
Douglass was like beingwith Buddha...
...truly profound, humbling experience. I asked what we could do? Mr. Douglass said, keep spreading the word. It's making a difference.
He spoke of President Kennedy in the Oval Office. A rainy day, JFK was looking out the window. He and his science advisor had been talking about fallout from the nuke tests. JFK asked if the rain contained radioctivity and learned it did.
President Kennedy worked to get a nuclear atmospheric test ban treaty worked out with the Soviets and through Congress in record time by enlisting the cooperation of all the various factions interested in peace - from the Quakers to moms of young kds to readers of The Saturday Evening Post.
Interestingly, the PBS profile on JFK, "The American Experience," included the fact Edward Teller virulently opposed the nuclear test ban and JFK didn't care. Teller got all he wanted under Teagan, plus more with his Start Wars scheme.
Here you go, courtesy of Conspiracy Debunker John McAdams' website:
Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of TreasonSome DUers don't believe there's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or even a Bush Family Evil Empire.
Hey, I'm a Democrat and respect other's opinions and views.
But I do believe in the VRWC and BFEE, perhaps more accurately termed the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise. Here's why:
Bush Crime Line
• Vietnam
• Bay of Pigs
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• NAZI Ethnics for Reagan-Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms to Saddam
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community arming Dr AQ Khan
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion
• Paperless Selection 2004
It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much ultra-right, conservative Republican leadership has really been. More than a listing of criminality, the list demonstrates there have been many treasonous activites against “We the People” through “business opportunities” in the finance, energy, and defense industries.
There is one FAMILY name that runs through all the history, the four decades since the JFK administration. Since the very hour of President Kennedy’s death, and through the list of sinister events and unrelenting criminality noted above — a record of infamy stretching back 41 years today — appears the name George Herbert Walker Bush, a tradition continued by his son, George Walker Bush, beard of the BFEE.
DUers: Add, Discuss, Rip -- Whatever. I'd love to learn what y'all think, have to say and believe.
SOURCE http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/DU_Bush.htm
Original post on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315
PS: Note Prof. McAdams even took the time to download and host the image. That's real class, DU.
PPS: I've written about all those "Conspiracy Theories" on DU and posted links showing where I got my information. Please show where I'm wrong. I've never failed to apologize and correct a mistake.
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