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September 7, 2012

Dolan took a swipe at the LGBT community and marriage equality in his prayer at the DNC.

"Show us anew that happiness is found only in respecting the laws of nature and of nature’s God. Empower us with your grace so that we might resist the temptation to replace the moral law with idols of our own making, or to remake those institutions you have given us for the nurturing of life and community.

In light of recent circumstances, it's very clear what he was referring to, and what he implied.

What institutions would those be? Wouldn't be marriage and families, would it?

This hateful RW bigot should never have been allowed to set foot in our Democratic Convention.

He was given a bully pulpit and license to spew hate speech at the LGBT community. What is truly disgusting is that the devious little devil made a lame, shameful attempt to disguise his bigotry and hate in a prayer. Pretty low.

We are the people supporting Democrats and voting for them. Dolan is not, and his phony "prayer" stands out as the only dark shadow in our Convention that was so filled with light and hope.

It would be completely appropriate for every person responsible for Dolan's unwarranted presence at the Democratic Convention to publicly apologize to the LGBT community for allowing him to demean us at our Democratic Convention.


September 4, 2012

Do y'all really have any idea how devastating it is for LGBT Democrats to see Cardinal Dolan

so honored by the Democratic Party, in allowing him to say the closing prayer at the Democratic National Convention?

Plainly speaking, Cardinal Dolan is a bigot, and a sexist. He is a homophobe, and an anti-choice misogynist. No amount of duplicitous doublespeak can ever obscure these facts made crystal clear by his own words.

He opposes equality for LGBT persons, equality for women, and is anti-choice.

He would be banned from DU in a split second if he were to post his previously stated homophobic and misogynistic opinions here. MIRT would run him out of here on a rail faster than you could say freeper, and the overwhelming majority of DUers would be celebrating and rejoicing over this just action by MIRT.

And it is not "just a prayer", like some are so insensitively and thoughtlessly proclaiming.

Honoring this outspoken anti-LGBT bigot (and anti-choice sexist) at the DNC is an implicit validation of the idea that there is no bigotry in opposing equal human rights for LGBT persons.

Personally, I am feeling seriously insulted, betrayed, and hurt beyond words, and I'm quite sure the majority of my Democratic LGBT sisters and brothers are as well. I have voted for every Democrat on my ballot in every election since I became of age to be able to legally vote. There have been more than a few issues that I have not agreed with my Dem legislators on, but when it came down to my support and vote, my loyalty to them, and the Democratic party has been unswerving, despite my disagreements.

I am writing this from my heart, and have tears in my eyes as I write it. I sincerely want everyone to have equal rights. It would never, in a trillion years, even cross my mind to advocate for Catholics, or members of any other religious group, to be legally denied equal human rights for no logical reason whatsoever. And truth be told, the astounding number of vicious, brutal atrocities committed against human beings by the Catholic Church and other religious groups would be a much more logical reason to deny someone their equal rights, than denying equal rights to LGBT persons simply because of who we are and who we love.

We, really, really don't deserve to be disrespected and insulted like this. The LGBT community has been overwhelmingly supportive of the Democratic Party for many years.

If Cardinal Dolan speaks out, directly, or indirectly, against equal rights for LGBT persons as he closes the Democratic National Convention, do you have any idea how our LGBT community, and even most of y'all, would feel at that moment?

*sigh*

September 3, 2012

There is a good reason why these numbers are not what they seem.

However, it is easy to see why any reasonable person would become suspicious under these circumstances. And, *sigh*, of course Senator Sanders means well...

But there really are good reasons why these numbers are widely misunderstood, and there is a very simple alternative, a third way of explaining this apparent mathematical/logical anomaly.

You see, my dear Zalatix, the dichotomy between two spheres within the Friedman-Smith parabellum cannot be reconciled within the chrono-simplastic infundibulum, which automatically negates the equation that 1 + 1 = 2. Therefore, no action can (constitutionally) be taken under a premise that any financial institutions committed a crime. The appearance of what seems like an obvious crime regarding the missing $457.06 (Senator Sanders is only a US Senator and obviously has no real grasp of the financial affairs of the global corporate/finance system, and subsequently therefore should not be throwing around this ridiculously inflated figure of $16 million) is simply a binary refraction of the quantum basis for the seeming incompatibility between the Rimini protocol and the Calmfors–Driffill hypothesis.

(At this point, from my authoritative POV as spokeswoman for the Director of Global Astrology at the prestigious Wall St. firm of Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe, I am compelled to interject that Glass Steagall can not be reinstated as it has been proven to be un-Constitutional by the Robert's Court re-interpretation of the Khazzoom–Brookes postulate of 1863).

Now, I know that you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant, and that is not the case. You must realize that there are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns.

Consequently, we are forced to conclude that there are things we don't know we don't know, and these are not things we know right now.

Therefore, under these conditions, 1 + 1 does not equal two, and Senator Sanders is completely mistaken in his assumptions about the missing $447.05.

I hope this clears things up for you, and that you now fully understand why auditing the Fed is bad for Bank of America.

So, please, don't worry about these insignificant issues Senator Sanders has erroneously exposed, be a good citizen, and move along now...there's nothing to see here.


August 31, 2012

hmmm I wish there was something I could do to make you feel better...ok ~ how bout dis



First, song especially for you

MEDICINE

We can see your heart is broken
You don't have to run away
there are many words unspoken
but there's nothing more to say

Have no fear, your world's not ending
all this change will work out right
only you can follow your dream
we can share our dreams tonight

Love...you don't have to cry.

Hi ya na weh ne o weh o hi na
Hi ya na weh ne o weh o hi na
Hi ya na weh ne o weh o hi na
Hi ya na weh ne o weh ney weh no wa.


We don't have to live together
To be lovers and good friends
Nothing ever lasts forever
but forever never ends.

Forever never ends.

Love...you don't have to cry.
©2012 Words and Music by Summer ~ ~ ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~


Another song ~



And just a few more reasons for you to feel better

~ ~




August 31, 2012

I'm a registered Dem, but prefer the much more progressive Green agenda.

In all honesty, I believe that Dr. Stein is the superior candidate because her agenda addresses the main problem that is causing the demise of democracy, freedom and opportunity in the US.

A Jill Stein presidency would enable us to employ a democracy currently hijacked by wealthy Americans like the Koch brothers and by corporate banksters. From the perspective of those of us in the 99%, the only plausible reason to fail to vote for Dr. Stein is that voting for her will take votes away from Obama, who would be better for the 99% than Romney.

I am definitely voting for President Obama, because Dr. Stein has no chance of winning this election whatsoever, and there is no way I would ever waste my vote in this most serious election.

We must prevent Romney, and other republicans, from winning elections at all cost.

So.....Obama/Biden 2012 it is.

August 31, 2012

"We" are the people who believe that everyone was created equal and are endowed

by our creator (or endowed by virtue of existence) with certain inalienable rights, like the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I have a question: Do you support marriage equality?

Because the official position of the Catholic Church is that it does not. Yes, there are, and have been, many awesome, decent people who are Catholic, and I believe that James Martin is one of them. Unfortunately, his opinions are not generally shared by the leadership of the Catholic Church. And these awesome, decent people continue to support an organization that promotes inequality and legalized bigotry.

I really don't care what anyone believes, that's their choice, and I honor it, as long as this belief does not cause harm to others. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church is deliberately advocating for the persecution and legal inequality of innocent people in the US and around the world.

And that is simply flat out wrong. It's really, really wrong.

I have every right and reason in the world to speak out against any bigots or bigoted organizations who are actively victimizing a substantial segment of the population of this country.

Pope Condemns Marriage Equality in Speech to U.S. Bishops

In a Friday Vatican address to visiting American bishops, Pope Benedict XVI condemned the growing push for marriage equality in the United States, AFP reports.

“Sexual differences cannot be dismissed as irrelevant to the definition of marriage," said Pope Benedict, who warned of "the powerful political and cultural currents seeking to alter the legal definition of marriage.”


That's real Pontiff-icating. Pun intended.


"Choose your enemies carefully, for they are what you become."


My enemies are those who choose to promote, and who are actively responsible for, the perpetuation of ignorance, hypocrisy, fear, violence, aggression, death, destruction, suffering, hatred, poverty, inequality, and injustice.

When they make these choices, they choose me, and people like me, to be their enemy. We are compelled by our natures to try to prevent bullies of all stripe from harming others in every way we reasonably can.

That's why most progressives are attracted to the Democratic Party.


August 28, 2012

Accurate labels for all things have been the most common form of human communication

device since the dawn of human intelligence.

Those who refuse to recognize this are either being disingenuous, or they are probably still, respectively, waiting for that particular sun to rise.

The operative word here is "accurate".

It's always easiest for a person to call a duck a duck, if they want to communicate to someone that there is a duck present.

Example:

"Hey, look everyone! Look at that enormous duck!"


There are many species of duck, with different characteristics, but despite these differences, a duck is still a duck.

This common sense method of identification through labeling applies to the species known as RWers as well, and their different characteristics.

Shakespeare perfectly illustrates the common human phenomenon of labeling as a simple, convenient, and accurate communication device:

"A rose, by any other name, is still a rose."


You can feel free to label me a progressive, a lefty, a Democrat, or a democrat, liberal, progressive, socialist , communist, occupier, leftist agitator, or whatever other talking point label the Third Way commonly uses to try to insult us radical liberal lefties with.

I'm totally out, and not afraid to admit what I am:

I'm a progressive liberal radical left wing democratic egalitarian Occupy Democrat, and believe this to be one of my very best characteristics.


August 26, 2012

This shameless, duplicitous Third Way propaganda program is absolutely painful to watch continue.

I want to make something perfectly clear here first. I do have an alternative agenda aside from promoting the idea that Julian Assange should be treated with fairness and in good faith, and my alternative agenda is to expose the Third Way for what it is. I sincerely believe that the Third Way is a threat to democracy everywhere on the planet. I have no other alternative motivations. No one is paying me to do this. There's no material corporate profits to be gained by anyone from my efforts, except perhaps that I am giving Third Way propagandists more work by forcing the talent at the Third Way Think Tank to compose fallacious counter arguments to this exposé, in order to attempt to employ their propaganda effectively.

It is my most sincere intention promote a progressive agenda on all levels, an agenda that will lead to a greater application of democratic principles, equality, and economic justice, compassion, and freedom for people everywhere.

Please consider the accuracy of this quote:

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "
-Franklin D. Roosevelt


I'll get right to it:

The Third Way, for all practical purposes the successor to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), is a think tank primarily dedicated to influencing and using the Democratic party as a vehicle for aiding in increasing the profits, and increasing control of wealthy private interests over nations and the individuals who comprise the citizenry of these nations. The Third Way disseminates propaganda designed to promote maintaining and furthering the anti-democratic control that these multi-national corporate interests exert over the governments of the sovereign nations of this planet.

This organization and its propagandists will blatantly lie, whenever necessary, in order to further their RW agenda.


"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." George W. Bush"


Progressives get how this works. We see it on this issue, and we've seen it over and over on many other issues in the past.

The credibility, now, and in any further discussion, of those who are so desperately and inordinately promoting the idea that Julian Assange must be prosecuted on unsupported allegations, is already less than zero among progressives, and their credibility is rapidly descending proportionately to the increase of propaganda asserting the guilt of Julian Assange increases, due to the non-factual, logically fallacious, and unreasonable prevalence and content of their arguments.

The Third Way is holding Kangaroo Court. The purpose of this Kangaroo Court is to influence public opinion, and help do whatever it takes to try to get Julian Assange discredited, and preferably imprisoned if possible, whether or not he is guilty or innocent of the allegations against him. Guilt or innocence is not their concern. Eliminating him because he has been, and is, a threat to anti-democratic corporate interests is their concern.

You see, the biggest problem for the Third Way here on DU, is that this is primarily a progressive website, and the overwhelming majority of members here are too knowledgable, intelligent, insightful, and perceptive to fall for Third Way type lies and propaganda.

We already know that the Third Way sends out talking point memos to propagandists who are most likely paid to promote the Third Way pro-corporate agenda. There are fanatical volunteers to the Third Way cause as well. We know that these memos instruct propagandists to lie, if necessary, to promote the Third Way pro-corporate agenda of wealthy private interests.

We recognize that there are genuine, well meaning individuals who have sincere concerns that the allegations against Julian Assange have merit. Some of these folks also understand that Julian Assange runs the risk of being falsely charged with very serious crimes by the US the moment he is no longer the protection of the Ecuadoran Embassy in London. These folks are not the among the group that comprises Third Way or other coordinated groups of RW propagandists such as the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. The two latter organizations do not pretend to be progressive think tanks. The Third Way, insidously, does pretend to be a progressive organization, and in the insidious nature of this organization lies its inherent danger to democracy everywhere.

While we respect the opinions of the sincere individuals who believe that Julian Assange, we also caution those with sincere motivations to beware of the fallacious arguments put forth by Third Way and other RW propagandists, that are designed to mislead you into supporting the Third Way/RW agenda.

Mr. Assange has stated that he will go to Sweden to face these allegations if Sweden will agree not to extradite him to the US if he goes to Sweden to face these allegations.

Sweden has rejected his good faith offer, and RW propagandists are continually citing phony bureaucratic legal woo as a reason for this rejection of his offer. Therefore, Julian has every reason to believe that, even though he knows, and he has clearly stated, that he is innocent of the allegations he faces in Sweden, and that there is no tangible evidence against him, that these allegations are very possibly only an inter-governmental contrivance through which he will be brought under the jurisdiction of the United States to face potential serious criminal charges.

Here is an exposé of one huge lie that is maliciously and being promoted by Third Way and other RW propagandists:

The claim that Swedish courts, not government, have final say on extradition is a crucial mistake that distorts the Assange case.

The falsehood here is clear and straightforward. One of the "myths" Green purported to debunk was that "Sweden should guarantee that there be no extradition to USA." Assange's lawyers, along with Ecuadorean officials, have repeatedly told Sweden and Britain that Assange would immediately travel to Stockholm to face these allegations if some type of satisfactory assurance against extradition to the US could be given. This is the paramount issue because it shows that it is not Assange and Ecuadorean officials – but rather the Swedish and British governments – who are preventing the sex assault allegations from being fairly and legally resolved as they should be.

But Green claimed that "t would not be legally possible for Swedish government to give any guarantee about a future extradition, and nor would it have any binding effect on the Swedish legal system in the event of a future extradition request." He said that this is so in part because "any final word on an extradition would (quite properly) be with an independent Swedish court, and not the government giving the purported 'guarantee'." He then cited a British lawyer (notably, not a Swedish one) who made the same claim:

"t appears that if the extradition is contested as it would be in Assange's case then it is a matter for the court not the government to decide if he is extradited."

This is completely and unquestionably false. It is simply untrue that it is Swedish courts, rather than the Swedish government, who are the final decision-makers in extradition requests. It is equally untrue that the Swedish government has no final decision-making power regarding extradition requests that are legally sanctioned by the Swedish judiciary. These are not matters for reasonable debate. The law is clear. Green's claim is false.


To most of us, the desperate, duplicitous arguments being put forth by on this subject have made it clear that there are many who have a disingenuous agenda related to this issue, and will go to any lengths, no matter how ridiculous, to promote this agenda.

We've seen it all before. Protect corporate interests, protect the status quo at all cost.

And this ugly, anti-democratic agenda is showing once again.

This anti-democratic agenda takes precedence over all else; to wit: The anti wikileaks propaganda must continue to be in the forefront no matter how bizarre and unreasonable and fallacious the points being made to promote the propaganda, and the agenda, are.

This agenda is transparent, and I'm quite sure that it is as embarrassing, and very disturbing, to the majority of other genuine progressives as it is to me.

We progressives don't know for absolute fact if Julian Assange is innocent or not.

What the overwhelming majority of progressives do know is that, if we were in his circumstances, and were innocent, we most likely would be taking the same course of action that Julian Assange is taking.

Only a complete naive fool would not.

Undoubtedly, Sweden can find a way to be able to guarantee that Julian will not be extradited to the US, if they feel that pursuing prosecution in a case that has no tangible evidence to support it is so critical.

Until they do, there's is no way that Julian Assange, who knows that he is innocent, and has clearly stated his innocence, can be assured of Sweden's good faith in this matter, and no way.

The Third Way, aka DLC: Supporting wealthy private interests, Wall St. Banksters, and profit over people since 1984.



Memo from Third Way HQ
To: Flying Monkeys
From: Chuckles, the Third Way Woodchuck

YOU IDIOTS ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES.
NOW GET JULIAN ASSANGE EVEN IF
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO LIE, CHEAT,
AND STEAL IN ORDER TO GET
GET THE JOB DONE!!!



Anonymous hits U.K. government sites over Assange situation

Peace, Equality, Justice, Democracy
August 24, 2012

I'm a progressive, and I know what rape is. I'm sick of men with a disingenuous RW political agenda

telling me that I don't understand rape. And furious at the RW women who tell me this also. Shamelessly disparaging progressives in any way possible is so consistent with the RW agenda.

I'd probably be banned from DU for voicing the terms I want to use to express my profound contempt for the RWers who are so pompously and repeatedly explaining to me, and other progressives, why and how we are not capable of understanding rape.

There are some posters here who are clearly using the issue of rape as a political football at the expense of everything else. It is appalling. and disgusting, and these posters should be ashamed of themselves. They will claim that their motivations are sincere, but, like naive conservatives, their motivations are completely transparent to most progressives.

Every day that I go to work, I need to employ a method of determining motivations for behavior. This method is known as Applied Behavioral Analysis. I use this method in order to determine the best course of action, and develop programs for behavioral therapies, to employ these behavioral therapies in service to persons who have clear behavioral challenges -- often in tandem with severe communication challenges.

My colleagues tell me I have an extraordinary gift for instinctively understanding motivations for behavior, and for determining and applying effective behavioral therapies. I know that this is true.

I was raped when I was a teenager. I came within seconds of being very forcibly raped in the parking lot of a bar less than a year ago. The security person for the bar saw the activity on a camera and drove off my attacker.

I know exactly what rape is. The fact that I am a liberal does not cloud my judgment on this. But thank you so very much, and bless your heart, for your concern.

Sadly, there are some documented instances of people using false allegations of rape as vehicles for revenge, for financial gain, for professional advancement in high profile cases, for disingenuous political purposes, etc.

Anyone here directly or indirectly fit into one or more of these categories by promoting a disingenuous agenda?

Almost all, but not every, claim of rape is legitimate, and those few who make false allegations of rape undermine the credibility of actual victims of rape.

Falsely accusing an innocent person of a sex crime immediately destroys that person's life. Even if they are completely exonerated, the stigma of sex criminal stays with the unfortunate person. I have a close male friend who was a victim of a false allegation of rape. I know that his kind, gentle man would not, and could not, harm another person in this way. The woman who accused him was not a nice person, and had a clear revenge agenda. My friend, who had never been arrested before, was arrested, fingerprinted, booked, thrown into a cage, and was thoroughly humiliated. He was never actually charged, and was, after a humiliating investigation, completely exonerated, and the woman who made these false allegations came very close to being charged with a crime for her malicious, vindictive lie. But courts are reluctant to charge and prosecute people who bring false allegations of rape, because it would be a deterrent to people who actually were victims of rape from coming forward and telling the police that they had been raped. The Sheriff's Dept. convinced my friend not to file charges for this reason.

Nevertheless, my friend was devastated, destroyed, first emotionally, then mentally, then financially, and then physically. He literally went off the rails for a period of years. He moved away from the area he lived, because he was always wondering if everyone was thinking that he was a rapist. The fact that the allegations had no merit didn't matter. The damage was done. He was socially stigmatized, and self-stigmatized.

This man is one of the most beautiful, genuine, and caring human beings I have ever had the good fortune to know.

The primary reason that this woman made these vindictive allegations was because she had been in a long term relationship with him, and he told her that he was gay. She was/is not a good person. She wanted to destroy this man, and used false allegations of rape as a weapon. She succeeded.

I know this story intimately. I helped him do legal research. Mostly, I helped him by believing him, and continuing to be his friend. Others he thought were his friends were not as perceptive as me. They scorned him, and abandoned him. He was so devastated, stressed, and depressed that he could not think straight. Oh, yeah - and this nightmare also drained him of every cent he had, and forced him into debt.

This was decades ago. Needless to say, we are close friends to this day. Like sister and brother.

Falsely accusing a person of a sex crime is also the perfect way to destroy a political enemy instantaneously. No evidence is necessary. All that is necessary are a few words. One wicked lie. Allege sexual assault, and you severely damage the person forever. Just like what happened to my friend.

Unfortunately, this makes it imperative that possible motivations for falsely alleging rape must be thoroughly considered when there is no evidence of a sex crime whatsoever except for allegations that cannot be substantiated in any way. There really are malicious, conscienceless people out there who have no qualms about destroying another person with a vicious lie. Just as there really are conscienceless people who sexually assault others.

Every allegation of rape must certainly be considered with the utmost seriousness, even when there is no physical evidence whatsoever that a sexual assault was actually perpetrated.

And we must also take clear evidence of motives for revenge, financial gain, and professional ambition by prosecutors with the utmost seriousness as well.

One last thing:

To everyone here, and every RWer, who is using these allegations of sexual assault against Julian Assange as a political football? Your disingenuous motivations and agenda in this case are indisputable in light of their embarrassing transparency from the POV of the majority of progressives.

I realize that there really are some progressive members here who have a heartfelt, genuine concern for alleged victims of sexual assault. These folks know who they are, and are not at all a part of the group of conservatives/RWers that I am alluding to.

And the conservatives who are using this issue as a political football know perfectly well who they are as well.

The prevalence of definable, consistent, and clear conservative agendas over a long term period of time point directly to duplicitous motivations.

What these people are doing is heinous, and destructive. Not only are they making themselves look like shills for a clear RW agenda, they are, by their clearly duplicitous words and actions, helping to weaken the credibility of many people who really are or who will be actual victims of a sexual assult. Their transparent political agenda that has very little or nothing to do with genuine concern for rape victims is disgusting.

Shame on them. Totally, shame on them. I'd ask the conservatives who are using this issue as a political football to stop this disgusting behavior, but I know that they can't, because this is an integral and important part of their obvious coordinated and consistent long term anti-progressive agenda and goals.

Ick.

August 23, 2012

1/7/11 - Jon Cowan, President of the Third Way Think Tank, on Julian Assange

First, check out this, IMO, disturbing (PDF) memo advising Third Way propagandists how to word Third Way propaganda relating to the Army Chief of Staff General Casey's statements of the need for the military to leave Iraq:

"As we have noted in earlier memoranda, this should be the fundamental point about why America must end our military involvement in Iraq. War opponents must be very clear that they seek to end the war not because they pity the troops or want to stop the flow of American blood and treasure. Rather, they seek an end to the war so that we can re-sharpen the spear and fight terror more effectively."

It is important to emphasize that General Casey was not saying that this situation is grave simply because our troops are overworked or at risk, though he obviously believes both to be the case. His main concern is that the security of the United States is at risk because the Army is unable to function as it should.
Third Way party President John Cowan, 9/27/07


"Capable, generous men do not create victims; they nurture victims."
....Julian Assange


Julian Assange and the WikiLeaks Attack on Progressive Values
January 7th, 2011
by Jonathan Cowan, Nancy Hale, and Matt Bennett

That’s why it is so distressing to see well-known progressive voices like Moore’s taking up the cause of Julian Assange. The WikiLeaks leader should have a status more in line with the self-important, misguided, rigid and ideologically blind Charlton Heston, who Moore exposed so brilliantly in his film.

We hope that Moore and other progressives will reconsider this support. The left should not be backing a man or an organization that is so clearly inimical to American security interests and to so many progressive values. Assange’s actions as head of WikiLeaks should install him in the annals of infamy, not offer him hero-worship.

Jon Cowan is Co-Founder and President of Third Way; Matt Bennett and Nancy Hale are Co-Founders and Vice Presidents of Third Way.


Cowan is, well, being disingenuous, to put it nicely, and is obviously shilling for the 1%. If you recognized the old "hero worship" talking point (and other) propaganda so prevalent on DU this past week, re Julian Assange...I'm just sayin...

Transcript: Interview with Julian Assange, on why wikileaks is important.

CA: But are there risks with that, either to the individuals concerned or indeed to society at large, where leaking can actually have an unintended consequence?

JA: Not that we have seen with anything we have released. I mean, we have a harm immunization policy. We have a way of dealing with information that has sort of personal -- personally identifying information in it. But there are legitimate secrets -- you know, your records with your doctor; that's a legitimate secret -- but we deal with whistleblowers that are coming forward that are really sort of well-motivated.

CA: So they are well-motivated. And what would you say to, for example, the, you know, the parent of someone whose son is out serving the U.S. military, and he says, "You know what, you've put up something that someone had an incentive to put out. It shows a U.S. soldier laughing at people dying. That gives the impression, has given the impression, to millions of people around the world that U.S. soldiers are inhuman people. Actually, they're not. My son isn't. How dare you?" What would you say to that?

JA: Yeah, we do get a lot of that. But remember, the people in Baghdad, the people in Iraq, the people in Afghanistan -- they don't need to see the video; they see it every day. So it's not going to change their opinion. It's not going to change their perception. That's what they see every day. It will change the perception and opinion of the people who are paying for it all, and that's our hope.


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