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Bernie knows exactly what he is facing in the corporate media.



It is delightful to hear him calling out their MO. The way you fight corruption and manipulation is by making them explicit for people.

What he is doing is so important. He is re-teaching this nation what we have a right to expect from a representative political process, and pointing out how perversely ours has been corrupted.

REAL hope and change. We need Bernie in the White House.




Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 04:06 PM (4 replies)

People have a problem with corporations purchasing GOVERNMENTS.




There's a fundamental problem in that.

Corporations exist to grow their own profit. Governments are supposed to exist for the welfare of human beings.

When you put corporate motives in charge of governments, terrible things happen to people.


Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 03:40 PM (2 replies)

Outstanding response.


We drown in corporate message control and political manipulation. Just read down the board.

And once it is called out and undeniable, there will be predictable attempts to rationalize and legitimize and normalize the sliminess. That is how shameless and slimy the sliminess is.

It is like the posts that use the FACT of Wall Street corruption and bribery in Washington as an excuse for *participating* in Wall Street corruption and bribery.

Now, for the first time in a long time, we have a chance to demand better.




Enough slimy. Enough lies. Enough corruption. Enough propaganda.

Enough is Enough.




















Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 01:31 PM (2 replies)

" I'm sorry if you think that her record 'tears her down.' "




Worth putting in the subject line.


If posting the actual policies of corporate politicians is "bashing" them, then it would seem clear that there is a serious problem with the policies.




Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9






Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 01:15 PM (2 replies)

Please point us to all the OP's laying out why Hillary is the best representative for the people.


Because it sure seems that baiting, policy-free, diversionary OP's like this one have BECOME the messaging strategy for HRC supporters here.

See, you won't point us to the threads showing why Hillary is the best policy representative for the people, because you can't. They don't exist.

Look down the board. All the OP's by Hillary supporters are like yours. Here was my response to another like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6683607

What you have done here with this baiting OP *is* the campaign strategy: message control and manipulation. As long as people are taking your bait here, they are not talking about Bernie's campaign, his clear stances on issues ranging from the TPP to Social Security to campaign finance reform, and Hillary's lengthy record of coziness with Wall Street and predatory corporate and warmongering policies.

Yes, it's worth making the defensive, diversionary MO here explicit. But I'm off to substantive threads now.













Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 12:49 PM (4 replies)

TO THE GREATEST PAGE. Lies and propaganda are standard MO for corrupt, corporate government.

We live in a vile, dishonest, magnificently funded propaganda state.

We have come to accept the flat-out lies and propaganda assaults of corporate government as business as usual. We shouldn't.

A highly publicized Kabuki Theater sham vote to allow Democrats to pretend to oppose the predatory TPP.....followed predictably and immediately by a cynical reversal to vote in favor of Fast Track.

Insincere, massively publicized speeches about reining in military power,
followed immediately by huge escalations in military power, a new war in Syria, a new war in Iraq, carpet bombing of captive populations in Gaza, a continuation of the unconscionable droning of civilians in multiple countries with which we are not at war, and a new TRILLION DOLLAR ramp-up of nuclear weapons...That's not acceptable.

Lying, manipulative claims to care about the environment, while selling off expanses of the Gulf of Mexico for drilling, opening the Atlantic Coast for drilling, relentless support for fracking, and defense of the most environmentally predatory "free trade" agreements in this nation's history.....That's not acceptable.

Shameless, lying speeches extolling the government's transparency and protection of whistleblowers and respect for journalism, when we have all seen the treatment of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden by this administration, and when we have all witnessed the outrageous targeting of investigative journalists through abuse of the Espionage Act....That's not acceptable.

Disgusting claims to represent the interests of the 99 percent, while stuffing the cabinet with predatory corporatists, signing cuts in aid for the poor and disabled repeatedly, putting SS on the table as a "greater evil" to justify the imposition of austerity greater even that that Paul Ryan initially requested, giving nauseating speeches about the need to eat our peas while repeating Republican LIES tying SS to the defiicit, personally lobbying to gain settlements for criminal bankers, and then unconscionably lobbying for the criminal CRONYBUS to even further deregulate banks and allow the looting of America to happen again.....That's not acceptable.


We are fed on slick PR and orchestrated lies as standard MO of our government now. This administration has legalized propaganda aimed at Americans that was considered unacceptable in previous decades. We are constantly assaulted with vapid pretty words and pictures that lie to our faces about what this administration cares about and is actually doing. And now we cannot even have discussion on the internet without the weird, creepy voices of corporatism infesting every single conversation through relentless disinformation and propaganda campaigns revealed by Edward Snowden and others. Look at the lying absurdity in our political campaigns. Hillary, author of the predatory TPP and enthusiastic supporter of expansing H1B visas, is pretending to our faces that she cares about income inequality. We are treated like blithering idiots.

This nation has sunk to the level of a corrupt, totalitarian state in its contempt for its own citizens, all because corporate money now drives everything it does. This is the difference between a representative government and a corporate government. By definition, corporations exist to grow their own profit and power. They don't represent anyone but themselves. They manipulate to grow profit, just like our government constantly manipulates us to sell the profitable, predatory corporate agenda it has already decided to implement against our interests.


Yes, the White House is lying to us. Hillary is lying to us. Wall Street and Madison Avenue are lying to us.

Time to reject the lies.


Huge K&R.

States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines. Propaganda is standard MO of our government and our political party machines now.


The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796

Editor of major German newspaper says he planted stories for CIA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026163872

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351









Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 08:29 AM (4 replies)

Stale lectures that liberal candidates can't win. How do we know it's a lie and a talking point?

How do we know it's a lie and a talking point, rather than the truth?

Simple.

Because Third Way corporate politicians routinely LIE their way through campaigns pretending to be more liberal than they actually are. They mouth empty promises about fighting for a public option or putting on comfortable walking shoes for unions or taking on criminal banks. They *always* pivot leftward in their rhetoric during campaigns in order to win votes, because they know that voters are significantly to the left of the predatory corporate agenda they actually stand for.

Thus, we get the spectacle of Hillary now claiming to care about income inequality, even though she is intimately connected with, overwhelmingly backed and funded by, the predator class that drives obscene inequality in this nation. Claiming to care even while she supports H1B visas that destroy the jobs of Americans. Claiming to give a damn even though she is an author of perhaps the most predatory, antidemocratic "free trade" agreement in this nation's history, that will destroy American jobs, force Americans to compete with Third World workers, and cut the wages of fully NINETY PERCENT of working Americans:

Hillary pushes for increases in H1B visas and outsourcing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6405669

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761


And thus we get the insulting theater of Hillary now claiming to want to end mass incarceration in this nation, when her entire history and "co-presidency" relentlessly escalated imprisonment of Americans in this country:

The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Corporate politicians lie and manipulate. The corporate MO by definition is to manipulate and advertise to win power and profit, not to represent anybody else. That is also why they depend on dishonest propaganda machines, "personas" on social media and political discussion boards, to distribute their dishonest talking points. Corporations advertise. They don't represent.

Corporatists have poured untold dollars into narrowing the debate and propagandizing the public into believing that corporate "solutions" are the only possible solutions. Corporate politicians lie and try to tie Social Security to the deficit, and they push trade agreements that assault Medicare, even though greater than 80 percent of Americans across party lines want to protect these social safety nets. Bernie Sanders threatens to shatter all that predatory lying and speak the truth to the nation: that our system is deeply corrupt, and that vicious predatory corporate policies have been a CHOICE all along.

Now, you have a nice day.


[font color=red]Propaganda is a low, disreputable occupation. Reject obvious Third Way talking points. [/font color]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160









Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 07:55 AM (3 replies)

"Worker" is what I hear us called now.




And our corporate media no longer calls our politicians "representatives," but "leaders."

It's way past time to take our government back from these antidemocratic, authoritarian corporate criminals.





Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 17, 2015, 06:29 AM (2 replies)

The 10 biggest LIES you’ve been told about the Trans-Pacific Partnership

Bernie: An honest representative rather than a manipulating sellout for corporate interests.

The 10 biggest LIES you’ve been told about the Trans-Pacific Partnership
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026659735



Posted by woo me with science | Sat May 16, 2015, 04:44 PM (0 replies)

Parties aren't cages, nor are they identities.

We are deliberately trained to think that way by manipulative propaganda...urged to pick a team and adhere to it regardless of the policies it enacts.

But that's a deliberate attempt to pervert what parties have traditionally been about.

I think Sanders is beginning a process of reteaching Americans what a TRUE representative political process looks like, as opposed to the perverse "faux-democracy" that corporate candidates have been feeding us for some time.

Real representative democracy has little to do with shiny, focus-tested videos and attempts to avoid taking sides on issues. Nor is it about voting for your team even if their policies are odious and predatory, just so that the other team won't win.

It's about finding the candidate and party who will actually best represent your interests and building coalitions to support that direction of policy.

I think you will see a lot of people waking up to the manipulations and labels being used by corporate politicians to keep us divided and duped into voting by party rather than principle and policy. As has already happened in Vermont, I think you will see a lot of former Republicans and Independents crossing party lines to vote for the AGENDA Bernie stands for....because it's not just an agenda for Democrats. It's an agenda for reclaiming this nation and the very foundations of its democracy back from the corporate, authoritarian interests that have hijacked it....and returning it to people.

That agenda transcends partisan issues. If we can agree on nothing else, people across a wide spectrum of political and economic views can agree on a few simple, evident truths, like that the purchase of governments by a tiny corporate elite is malignant to human lives.





Posted by woo me with science | Sat May 16, 2015, 01:35 PM (1 replies)
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