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Important: Your post misses the point, which is CORRUPTION of democracy.

This will be my last kick to this Third Way talking point thread, but your post needs to be corrected.

We are not talking about "big tents." We are talking about monied corruption of our democracy.

The Third Way does not represent a different part of America. The Third Way represents Wall Street. That is the problem we face: the corruption of representative government of The People by corporate money flooding Washington. It is corporations buying policy.

The DLC, the Third Way...whatever slimy attempt at rebranding they are using these days....was *never* a grass roots movement. It was a planned and deliberate infiltration of the Democratic Party by Wall Street using corporate money, with the explicit goal of transferring the loyalty of the party from voters to Wall Street donors.

We aren't battling other Americans in a healthy democratic process here. The Third Way (and its propaganda machine) is a symptom of the CORRUPTION of our government....its subversion away from a representative system, representation of the interests of the people....into oligarchy, the PURCHASE of supposedly democratic, representative government by a monied elite.





When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556

New Democrats, The DLC and the Third Way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12774832

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Wayís Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121







Posted by woo me with science | Sat May 16, 2015, 10:33 AM (2 replies)

Excellent post you just made. Just look at all those attempts at rebranding.

We all know about the ugly rebranding of the DLC. These manipulators were never a grass roots movement. They have always been a corporate-backed infiltration into the Democratic Party, no matter which name they try to use. Same dirty tricks, same manipulation, same dishonesty, same propaganda machines.

Rebranding is what disreputable corporations do.




When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556

New Democrats, The DLC and the Third Way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12774832

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Wayís Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121







Posted by woo me with science | Sat May 16, 2015, 09:46 AM (3 replies)

Oh, this talking point again: "YOU CALLED ME A DOG!!!!111!11!"



The corporate mouthpieces here are still trying to make "Third Way" into an epithet rather than the useful descriptor of policy positions it actually is. That is what authoritarians do: try to discredit language so as to take away the words we need to describe what is being done to us.


YOU CALLED ME A DOG!!!!111!11
(The attempt to discredit the useful terms: "authoritarian" and "Third Way"

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4713041

...Authoritarians and the Third Way don't like being called what they are, and since they can't yet prohibit words and restrict others to an approved Newspeak Dictionary, they settle for flailing at and attempting to discredit the individual words they dislike.

This tactic...is most amusing in one-to-one settings. When someone uses an accurate word to describe what you are doing or advocating, just put the word in quotation marks, add some exclamation points, and try to neutralize it by pretending it's an epithet instead of an accurate descriptor. We have all seen it here 1,000 times. A person's politics are described as Third Way, and he or she rears up in indignation, expressing shock at the "namecalling."

Well, no. "Third Way" means something. It is not an epithet, but rather descriptive shorthand for a clear and specific set of political values and policies.
You can see what "Third Way" means by going to the Third Way website, where the goals and policies - liberal on the social issues unimportant to the One Percent but corporate and authoritarian on virtually everything else - are clearly delineated.

Those who embrace and defend Third Way policies don't want to admit it, so they try to make the term an epithet...something to be dismissed as namecalling or even banned by a jury so that it can't be accurately applied to them on the forums. And now we are hearing the same sort of defensive attempts to discredit the word when authoritarianism is called "authoritarianism."

Of course "authoritarian" means something. Brazen defense of a government's spying on its own citizens is indisputably authoritarian.

I always picture an indignant poodle rearing up in outrage and exclaiming, "What?! You called me a DOG?!"

Orwell was right. Defending against authoritarianism *requires* defending language, because authoritarians will try to twist, discredit, or take away the words that are necessary for us to describe what is being done to us.



[font color=red]Reject, do not engage, Third Way talking points. [/font color]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160

Going to threads about important issues like the TPP and the looming renewal of the Patriot Act now, rather than kicking these stale Third Way talking points.








Posted by woo me with science | Sat May 16, 2015, 09:36 AM (7 replies)

Rotating villains.

If it weren't this 13, it would have been another 13.

We have seen this con game now for years. The system is deeply and pervasively corrupt. Corporate money pouring into Washington to buy soulless, morally bankrupt predators to pretend to be our "representatives."

They and those who shill for them have sacrificed all claim to human decency or conscience. They are the "hollow men" of our generation. It takes a special kind of moral vacancy to participate in this sellout of democracy and human lives and futures, for the filthy paychecks they receive. There is no honor, none, in these con artists or their shills.

Enough is enough.

The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how itís played:
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The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, itís Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, itís Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and ďbreaking with their partyĒ to ensure Michael Mukaseyís confirmation as Attorney General; then itís Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then itís Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they canít blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they donít need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.


What a familiar, predictable, manipulative, and vicious con game by corporate Democrats.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6668324


The initial vote was for show. For PR. What Americans heard was that Democrats stood up against this monstrosity.

Then they reverse course, conveniently. AFTER the accolades.

Just like Obama's lying, highly publicized speech pretending that he would rein in military involvement....

...followed immediately by two new wars in Syria and Iraq, funding carpet-bombing of captive populations in Gaza, and a trillion-dollar escalation in nuclear weapons.

Our corrupt Third Way Democrats are corporate liars, puppets for the One Percent as surely as are corporate Republicans. In this oligarchy, this fake democracy, we are ruled by lying propagandists and corporate criminals, who brazenly and deliberately advertise one agenda and pursue another.

Enough corporate corruption. Enough.



Posted by woo me with science | Thu May 14, 2015, 04:14 PM (6 replies)

Note our corrupt corporate Dems took the time to *pretend* they opposed it first.



To get the headlines saying that Democrats were standing up against this sack of predatory shit.

*Then* they reversed course, after the public accolades.


Just like Obama's lying, highly publicized speech pretending that he would rein in military involvement...followed immediately by two new wars in Syria and Iraq, funding carpet-bombing of captive populations in Gaza, and a trillion-dollar escalation in nuclear weapons.

We are ruled by manipulative propagandists and craven corporate criminals who do not hesitate to lie to our faces, pretending to stand for one agenda while pursuing the opposite.

They constantly manipulate what Americans will see and remember, while selling us out to predators.


What a cesspool of deliberate corruption our government has become.

Posted by woo me with science | Wed May 13, 2015, 05:59 PM (3 replies)

The "Justice" Department asks them not to commit crimes...but just for two years.



This is the moral and ethical sewer of corporate government.

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From the "Justice" Department that also gave us these:

The "Justice" Department of this corporate Trojan horse administration. Lest we forget:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025587151

So Eric Holder is finally resigning as Attorney General....

First, he refused to prosecute George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld for breaking the treaty against torture and the statutes that also prohibit it.

Second, he let Wall Street CEOs off the hook for messing around with mortgage derivatives, misleading investors and clients, and crashing our economy.

Third, he prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other Attorney General, and he used the hideous 1917 Sedition Act to go after them. He even pursued James Risen, the terrific New York Times reporter, threatening him with jail.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025586874

Justice declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014843337

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11781446

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4410768
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKWem3w8

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1168570

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804

DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549

US DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823

DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/

DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships
http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html

The DoJ under Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531

Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619

DOJ Argues ĎNo Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informantí
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788

Holder Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724

DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The only official punished by DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html

Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

Holder/DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html

Posted by woo me with science | Tue May 12, 2015, 07:51 PM (1 replies)

Cali, thank you for staying on this.

You are a treasure at DU.

The more I hear, the more appalled I am at the moral bankruptcy of anyone supporting this garbage.
Posted by woo me with science | Tue May 12, 2015, 05:30 PM (1 replies)

Reminders of what this corporate administration has fought for:

Attributing this corporate administration's assaults on ordinary Americans to political helplessness and obstructionism is a transparent Third Way lie.

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda,
(This list does not show a president trying to enact a liberal agenda and being obstructed. No, it shows him aggressively and proactively implementing policies for the banks and corporations at the expense of the 99 percent.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3202395

CUT THE CRAP! Your Month in Review from the most "progressive" administration ever.
Whoa! More proactive corporatism!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025006297

Just a Republican thing, huh? Assaulting the Constitution itself
("Good god. I can't stop!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5554112

Study: Obama's "Trade" Deal (TPP) Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
("A Republican is making me do it?!"
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

Obamaís Latest Betrayal of America and Americans in Favor of the Big Banks: TISA
("Oh, shit. Here I go again!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/26/1309671/--Obama-s-Latest-Betrayal-of-America-and-Americans-in-Favor-of-the-Big-Banks-TISA-by-Bill-Black

Bombing Syria: The next step in the PNAC playbook, remember?
("They're Democratic peace bombs: TOTALLY different!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025520459

The "Justice" Department under Obama
("Please, Mr. Holder! Stop! Stop!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025587151
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025586874

Look at the OFFERS.
("God I hate when this happens!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022060108














Posted by woo me with science | Mon May 11, 2015, 06:57 AM (0 replies)

This belongs on the Greatest Page. Actually, it should be pinned to the top of the board

to remind us of the incessant, lying propaganda that has become standard MO of our corrupt government.

Corporations by definition have no interest in representing anyone but themselves. Ditto for corporate governments. They exist to grow their own power and profit. They manipulate and advertise to do that. They build propaganda machines, with utter contempt for the people they claim to represent.

That's why we don't get honest political messaging from corporate politicians.


Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 10, 2015, 10:05 PM (1 replies)

"Incremental change" is a Third Way lie.

See this thread by WillyT:

JFK: What it means to be Liberal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6652893

In JFK's own words:

[font size=3]"Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor."[/font size]


Empty Third Way claims to care about the 99 percent, while bleating lies about "incrementalism" and fellating the One Percent...

That con game does not fly anymore.




The endless Third Way lecturing to be patient and trust "incremental change" is a rhetorical con game. It is a bid to believe a flat-out lie: that corporate politicians have the same goals we do but are merely moving toward them more slowly and pragmatically.

It is a lie. Third Way politicians and their propaganda mouthpieces do not have the same goals as traditional liberals. They work for Wall Street and corporations, and their purpose is to use slick advertising and manipulation to sell you a product that will increase their own power and profit.

To claim that progress is being made but is merely incremental is overwhelmingly untrue in the most important areas of policy. We are being thrown bones on social issues but inequality has been escalated viciously through policy, the power of corporations is being relentlessly increased, our fundamental civil liberties are being dismantled, journalism is under assault, peaceful protesters are being surveilled and brutally suppressed, whistleblowers are being persecuted, our president has claimed the right to imprison indefinitely and even kill without due process, militarization of our police forces has been expanded, our public education system is being corporatized and even dismantled, corporate power over the internet has still not been denied, and our environment is being opened to drilling and fracking. In addition to all this, this government is engaging in mass surveillance against its own citizens and assaulting us with propaganda and disinformation.

Corporatists have been installed in virtually every area of government by our Democratic president.

The most significant policy proposal on the horizon is the most predatory free trade agreement in history, which will force Americans to compete with workers in Third World countries. It will kill jobs, reduce wages for over 90 percent of American workers, restrict freedom on the internet, make obtaining life-saving medications more difficult and more expensive, and allow multinational corporations to sue for profits and overrule national decisions on everything from wages to regulations for environment and safety. It is an assault on all of us, and it is unconscionable coming from a Democratic president. However, it is wholly consistent with this administration's long record of working on behalf of corporate interests.

Nothing is fixed unless we are honest about what is happening. All the propaganda notwithstanding, more and more courageous liberals are standing up to do just that. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Robert Reich....the launch of FirstLook....Bill Moyers' excellent work....These are all positive signs.

People who care deeply about this country are telling the truth about what we really are facing...the corporate hijacking of our party and our government....because the rose-colored glasses are malignant. The rose-colored glasses are a corporate lie, and they prevent real change.
Posted by woo me with science | Sun May 10, 2015, 08:35 PM (161 replies)
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