GaYellowDawg
GaYellowDawg's JournalSo that's it. Time to move on.
Mueller cleared Trump of collusion. And punted any conclusions on obstruction to the AG. The AG and assistant AG decided there was nothing to prosecute. The AG is going to have control over how much, if any, of the report gets released to the public.
So here's what we're not going to get:
We're not going to get anything on collusion/conspiracy. That's dead. Doesn't matter whether it's true.
We're not going to get anything on obstruction. That's dead. The AG has decided that. It doesn't matter what Mueller has to say about it, or what Congress has to say about it. The AG will simply refuse to release what Trump doesn't want him to release. Doesn't matter that it's plain as day.
We will never see the full report. That's going to be buried for good. I doubt the public ever even gets to see a highly redacted version. I doubt Congress will ever see anything but a highly redacted version.
We're not going to get an impeachment. There is no possibility of impeachment or indictment now. Deserved or not.
It sucks. It's not what we had hoped for. I think it's a complete miscarriage of justice. It's going to give Trump a huge political boost. So now we're going to have to change direction and focus on pointing out what a supremely bad job the Trump administration has done. How he's damaged the country domestically and internationally. There's plenty of material to deny him the Presidency in 2020.
Please, before you express an opinion on impeachment...
LEARN WHAT IT IS.
Impeachment is done by the House. A simple majority passes articles of impeachment. Those articles (charges) are then voted on by the Senate after a trial. Conviction requires a 2/3 majority. An impeachment is not a conviction, nor is it sufficient for removal from office.
I’ve seen a lot of conflation of impeachment and conviction around here. That’s why I posted this. I am hoping that there will be a Meuller report that makes impeachment impossible to avoid, and a conviction possible. I completely disagree with the idea that impeachment is off the table without a sure conviction; I think there would be great value in exposing Trump’s crimes in a trial.
Kamala Harris supporter here, brief comments on Klobuchar and Warren.
I liked Klobuchar and Warren. Liked what they said, and how they said it. If Klobuchar or Warren wins, I'll support her unreservedly. Harris is still my #1, but it's great that we have multiple candidates who would make strong nominees.
You know why?
Any Democratic nominee >> Trump. Any Democratic nominee is better than Trump. You could empty my Democratic colon and the pile would be better than Trump. I like Harris, but whomever wins is going to have me firmly on her or his side. I hope that all Democrats really, really internalize the idea that any vote other than for the Democratic nominee, or not voting, is as good as a vote for Donald Trump. If your candidate beats out Harris, she or he will have my unqualified support. So go Klobuchar, go Warren, go Booker. I want everyone looking as good as possible, and for our nominee to clearly be the best of a group of strong competitors.
Reframing wealth: I don't know WHY Democrats don't say this
Republican term: "Class warfare"
Democratic response: It's been going on for almost 40 years: the rich warring on the middle class and poor. It is time someone fought back for the middle class and the poor!
Republican term: "Wealth redistribution"
Democratic response: It's been going on for almost 40 years, from the middle class to the rich. We are not for wealth redistribution. We are for wealth restoration, from the rich back to the middle class.
Republican term: "Death tax"
Democratic response: That's ridiculous. No one gets taxed for dying. Heirs get taxed for unearned income. If lottery winners have to pay high taxes, why shouldn't people who inherit millions?
And I don't know who said this - I think maybe Molly Ivins - but someone said something to the effect of "Trickle down economics has been going on for 40 years and I haven't even gotten damp."
I can't support Northam.
I’m sure there are far worse racists in the Republican Party. That is not a rationale, in my opinion, for supporting Northam. Yes, GOP politicians get away with worse. That’s them. Not us. We have to hold to standards that they don’t. There’s nothing fair about having to hold to a higher standard, but I think it’s the right thing to do.
I’ve had to admit to racism. It’s not pleasant, but it’s honest. I have used racial slurs and told racist jokes earlier in my life. The weird thing is that I would have denied I was racist. I don’t know how the hell I managed that disconnect, but I did. When I was in my mid-20’s, my perspective changed in a big way because, instead of being in an environment that was 95-100% white, I lived in an area with a much higher population of African-Americans than ever before. I had a lot of conversations, made some good friends, and listened. And what I learned is that I had a terribly narrow perspective, and that I’d been racist in a big way.
Later, I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to attend graduate school. My best friends there were international students, not a single one of whom was white. They gave me added perspective, and it was there that I learned from them and a couple of very patient professors that I needed more work. The main thing being that I should not only do my best to not be racist, but to call out and be very clear that I would not tolerate racism when around a group that is all white. To not be afraid whether I would be disliked for it. Anything short of that would be a betrayal of people I professed to be friends with.
I have evolved. I fully admit to racist attitudes and words in my past. I really wish I could change that. But I have not been that person for some time, and I make every effort to not be that person now. I would want the chance to demonstrate who I am now. And to be open to any further education I might need to be aware of shortcomings I can’t see in myself.
That’s me. I wish that Northam had said something like that the instant he ran for public office. I could support that, but I can’t support what I saw today.
Al Sharpton just sliced and diced a Trump mouthpiece.
Carrie something or other. Doesn't matter. I'll call her Baby Conway.
Baby Conway lied about polls about the wall. He nailed her on it. Baby Conway tried to claim that Democrats were against security represented by the wall and then claimed that they had all voted for it. And he nailed her by pointing out the inconsistency. And then he shut down three different Gish gallops.
He completely, absolutely pwned her. It was a model for how you treat those idiots. Just a thing of beauty. She got so visibly rattled and annoyed. At one point, when she thought the camera was off her, she started texting. Probably for help!
I'm completely sick of "Beto for president" threads.
Not enough experience, people. And I know the same thing was said about President Obama, but I'm gonna lay it out: I'm sure Beto is quite intelligent, but he's not in the same ZIP code as President Obama for outright brilliance. I like him as a VP candidate, but I don't want him as a presidential candidate. I don't think he's electable as a presidential candidate.
I'm sick of the same old "new bright shiny white guy" for president stuff. No to Beto. HELL no to Kennedy. Way too young, and I am not a fan of dynasties, either. Outside of his name, I think Kennedy's average as grits. Earnest and a good but not great speaker. Definitely not electable. Give him 20 years of seasoning and maybe. I - and I say this as a white man - I am damn ready for us to put up another tough as nails, brilliant woman for president. I know some of you have issues with Kamala Harris, but watching her run rings around everyone she's gone after in Senate meetings has convinced me she's sharp as hell and can win.
Another mass shooting: Mercy Hospital in Chicago.
I haven't seen any reports on the number of casualties.
It just completely bewilders me how anyone could do this to other human beings.
This was a reply, but I wanted it out there as a thread: Harris/O'Rourke 2020.
Two extraordinary speakers. Harris would absolutely carve up Trump in any debate. He would completely lose his mind when a black woman ran circles around him. And she is tough as nails. Any shot he took at her, she'd return with interest. And she does contempt so well. So well. Highly useful in a debate against Trump.
And can you imagine how hard Beto would beat down Pence in a debate? OMG. I know that he's already said he doesn't want to be President, but maybe VP would appeal. In two years, he could preside over Cruz.
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