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McCamy Taylor

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April 11, 2020

Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: COVID PPE/Protection in Public Health Sector

Right now the nation's big public health systems have a bit of a COVID problem. They would love to keep doctors/nurses/techs/patients safe. However, being part of the public health system, they are constantly being told "Save money!" "Keep costs down!" "Eliminate fraud and waste!" These messages are so ingrained within the system, that the system does not know how to respond to the new needs of COVID.

For instance, some health care providers think it would be a great idea to send moderate risk COVID patients home with a low cost pulse oximeter so that if oxygen saturation drops around day 8--like they do for those who go on to die--the patient knows to come back and maybe have a fighting chance. However the system that counts the money says "No way!" And then justifies its budget based decision by saying something like "If they read the oximeter wrong then they may come back to the ER unnecessarily and tie up services and put themselves at risk". (At risk of what, I have to ask? They already have COVID.)

Is not it better for someone to present to the ER with a false emergency rather than die at home for lack of info that would be readily available with an oxygen meter that the poor cannot afford but a health care system could buy in bulk and distribute? The answer, if you are a public health bean counter is a resounding "No."

Then there is personal protective gear, aka PPE. We have all seen the doctors and nurses in New York running around in a single (non N95 mask) with no other protective gear. And we have seen them die. Well, it is happening all across the country in public (i.e. "free" ) clinics. If you work at a for profit hospital and work around potential COVID patients, you will get this



If you work for public (non profit) health you will get this



And will be told "If they do not have symptoms then they can't have COVID and you are not at risk." Yeah. Right. Never mind that some people who have COVID have been proven to be contagious without symptoms. Never mind that simply speaking certain consonants can mobilize as many respiratory particles as a cough. Never mind that you can catch COVID through the eyes (or the openings on the side of that flimsy mask).

The safe way to get up close and personal with patients during a time when we are supposed to self isolate due to anyone could have COVID looks like this

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Or maybe this

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But these items are in short supply, FEMA keeps confiscating them and the Trump family keeps jacking up the price. Since the public health system cannot stop working, those who direct the public health system utter a string of lies about why such PPE is not needed in the public health sector (though apparently it is needed in the private health sector) and tell their front line health care providers "You are just being a bunch of whiny babies. You won't catch COVID. Get back to work."

How much time and money has gone into training the doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists who are going to get sick and die? How will we replace them? This is why I call these "cost saving measures" Penny wise and pound foolish. I guess the bean counters figure they will snatch up some low risk medical students to replace the 50 and 60 something nurses and doctors who are sacrificed on the altar of "fiscal accountability".

No one is listening to the providers. So, maybe we need to have the patients speak up. If you go to a public health clinic and see that the employees have a single flimsy paper mask even though they are getting exposed to sputum particles, maybe you should speak up. These health care providers have made a decision to take jobs that pay less and require more work. They are putting their lives on the line for you. Let them know you care.


April 9, 2020

Need a plan to save our right to vote this fall.

Wisconsin should be a wake up call to us all. The SCOTUS intervened and as a result there were 5 polling places in a Democratic stronghold that usually has 100.People stood outdoors, exposing themselves to COVID for hours in order to exercise their rights. And Trump says he likes it that way, because the suppressed Democratic/urban voter turn out gives his party a chance to win this fall.

Trump's outlaw wannabe supporters would like nothing better than to see him close urban polling places the way they were closed in Wisconsin, limit absentee and mail voting and make voter turn out low, low, low this fall. Since the MAGATs love Trump because he is a criminal who gets away with it and because they see him as the Godfather of white privilege (stealing the labor of everyone else to line white folks' pockets the way the Yakuza and Mafia steal other folks' labor), they will not be swayed by talk of the law or fairness. They want things to be criminal. And the Supreme Court of the United States has one mandate---suppress the vote.

So, Democrats, time to play hardball. No spending bill gets out of Congress unless it includes provisions to enable voting this fall. If the Red States suffer from lack of stimulus money, they will suddenly put immediate self interest before dreams of pie in the sky by and by return to the day of Jim Crow when every white man was king even if all he did all day was sit on his ass.

And House, you need to launch inquiries (and lawsuits if necessary) to thwart Trump's attempts to line his own pockets with the stimulus money and "reward" his faithful Red State MAGATS with pork that they do not need. Because in addition to grifting, he also plans to make it clear to his loyal base that if they support him for another term as Godfather, he will make them rich. A lie, of course, but these poor fools will believe anything.

April 7, 2020

Some Doctors Do Not Know How to Read (More on Scary Steroids)

Was told today by the same urgent care that has prescribed short courses of steroids for my asthma for years that they no longer use oral steroids to treat asthma exacerbation. Because of COVID.

WTF!

Here is the WHO position paper that is causing all the controversy. Note that the paper says do not give steroids routinely for COVID due to lack of proven efficacy and possible (not proven) harm.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331446/WHO-2019-nCoV-clinical-2020.4-eng.pdf

Some doctors are treating this as dogma. An 11th Commandment. Thou Shalt Not prescribe Oral Steroids for Anyone in a COVID Pandemic. If they would just read the fine print they would see that the WHO also says

Given the lack of effectiveness and possible harm, routine corticosteroids
should be avoided unless they are indicated for another reason. Other reasons may include exacerbation of asthma or COPD,
septic shock, and risk and benefit analysis needs to be conducted for individual patients.


See that, Urgent Care! Asthma is still considered a reason for Prednisone. Unless you own a chain of hospitals and want to put all the asthmatics into them. Early short course steroids have been proven to improve asthma and cut down the risk of hospitalization. If you wait too long , then it takes even longer for the asthma to get better.


Here is the American Academy of Allergy Asthma and Immunology weighing in:

There have been several reports that steroids are contraindicated in COVID-19 disease, so many are wondering what should people with asthma do if their controller medication is a steroid (inhaled or oral). The short answer is continue taking your controller medications and do not stop them. The data suggesting that steroids might increase the shedding of SARS-CoV-2 comes from treating hospitalized patients with systemic steroids just for the viral illness. The use of steroids for treating other diseases (like asthma) was not studied. However, people with asthma are placed on controller medications to keep their asthma under control. In the current pandemic, the best thing a person with asthma can do (with respect to asthma) is to get and keep their asthma under control. Stopping a controller medication will put the person at risk for developing an asthma exacerbation—especially as we enter spring allergy season. In the current pandemic, treatment of an exacerbation will likely require going to the emergency department or urgent care, where the individual has a much higher risk of being exposed to someone with COVID-19. So, in a way, by continuing to keep asthma under control, the person with asthma is actually reducing their chance of exposure to COVID-19.



https://www.aaaai.org/conditions-and-treatments/library/asthma-library/covid-asthma

I was able to avoid the ER. I went to another Urgent Care, luckily a doctor I knew was working and I scored some Prednisone (gasp!) along with inhalers.

It is a hard, cruel world out there right now for asthmatics and COPDers.
April 3, 2020

Time for Young People to Step up and VOTE in 2020

Generally, young voters in our country our under represented in elections. This could be the year that all changes.

WASHINGTON — State officials nationwide are scrambling to adjust to stay-at-home and social distancing orders as they plan the 2020 voting calendar, and many experts warn that the pandemic threatens to be highly disruptive to this year's elections.

"There's a real possibility that people will be afraid to vote on Election Day and won't have alternatives," said Trevor Potter, a former chairman of the Federal Elections Commission who now heads the Campaign Legal Center in Washington. "That's just unacceptable for the world's leading democracy."


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/election-chaos-coronavirus-fear-voting-could-keep-people-polls-n1174416

The obvious solution is mail in voting. However it is extremely unlikely that Moscow Mitch and Resident Trump will allow this. Their dream is an election in which urban voters stay home for fear of COVID 19, leaving only the deep rural voters.

I would like to propose another solution. Register and get out the vote of the nation's twenty-somethings. Yes, we know that a few people in that age group will have complications from COVID. However, their risks are much lower than that of their grandparents, the elderly who can generally be counted upon to vote in every election.

The future is now. This election will determine the fate of our country. We cannot survive another pandemic in which Trump fiddles while Jarrad Kushner sells off our supplies to the highest bidder. We cannot survive a world in which there are no jobs except for grocery store stockers. We cannot survive a world in which treatable disease will kill you because our health care system is stretched to the max.

If you are one of the lucky young healthy Americans with a long future before you, seize that future. Make it yours.







April 3, 2020

Public Enemy Number One During COVID 19

So, when Trump said we have shortages because some folks are pilfering supplies, do you think he was referring to this man?





"You also have a situation where in some states FEMA allocated ventilators to the states, and you have instances where in cities they're running out but the state still has a stockpile. And the notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile — it's not supposed to be state stockpiles that they then use," Kushner said.

April 2, 2020

Has anyone considered reusable PPE?

I am old enough to remember when surgical gowns were made of cotton. They were specially washed them sealed and opened when needed. Same for surgical instruments. Same for many of the things that are now made out paper/plastic and cheap metal. And this was in the operating room where materials must be absolutely sterile.

When dealing with COVID, the barrier function is most important. And then you need to be able to decontaminate the PPE so it can be used again.

Why not have cotton gowns? What about face masks made of something besides paper? What about face shields with scratch resistant/shatter resistant glass? Have you seen how quickly the trash bag fills up in just one COVID room? Health care personal entering and then leaving, even if only for a moment, must shed their gear. There are not enough trees in Southeast Asian and the Amazon to make enough gowns for everyone in the world who will eventually get this infection.

April 1, 2020

Some American Doctor are Now Treating Steroids Like Medical Malpractice Even for Non COVID Disorders

Not kidding. Know a couple of asthmatics who know that they require a short course of steroids to keep them out of the hospital who can not get steroids due to "Everyone knows" that steroids in COVID will kill you. I have heard this twice in the past week so I decided to investigate to see where is this general wisdom coming from.

It isn't coming from this study in China:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.06.20032342v1

Conclusion: Our data indicate that in patients with severe COVID-19 pneumonia, early, low-dose and short-term application of corticosteroid was associated with a faster improvement of clinical symptoms and absorption of lung focus.


Critique:This was a retrospective study not a prospective study. Possible reason for not using steroids---only one major contraindication uncontrolled diabetes. Since uncontrolled diabetes makes every infection worse, maybe the group that did not get steroids had an extra strike against them and the steroids for the other group did not do anything. On the plus side these were all classified as severe meaning the authors did not compare oranges to apples.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331446/WHO-2019-nCoV-clinical-2020.4-eng.pdf

OK ,here are some recent guidelines for COVID management. Note that the findings are based upon studies of SARS and MERS and Influenza, not COVID. Note that these are observational studies--that means they looked at people who were selected to receive steroids and compared them to those who were not. Now, image that a steroid dependent asthmatic got SARS. Yes, of course they would have gotten steroids. Lots of steroids? Could their underlying lung disease have led to a worse outcome? You tell me. The studies listed below do not.:

Remark 1: A systematic review of observational studies of corticosteroids administered to patients with SARS reported no
survival benefit and possible harms (avascular necrosis, psychosis, diabetes, and delayed viral clearance) (62). A systematic
review of observational studies in influenza found a higher risk of mortality and secondary infections with corticosteroids; the
evidence was judged as very low to low quality due to confounding by indication (63). A subsequent study that addressed this
limitation by adjusting for time-varying confounders found no effect on mortality (64). Finally, a recent study of patients receiving
corticosteroids for MERS used a similar statistical approach and found no effect of corticosteroids on mortality but delayed lower
respiratory tract (LRT) clearance of MERS-CoV (65). Given the lack of effectiveness and possible harm, routine corticosteroids
should be avoided unless they are indicated for another reason. Other reasons may include exacerbation of asthma or COPD,
septic shock, and risk and benefit analysis needs to be conducted for individual patients.


Here is the conclusion of study 62 above:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16968120
In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

CONCLUSIONS:
Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments, it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful. Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.


25 inconclusive and 4 possible harm adds up to be inconclusive, not definitely will kill you.

Maybe the evidence in the next study is more compelling
Here is citation 63

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26950335

AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS:
We did not identify any completed RCTs of adjunctive corticosteroid therapy for treating influenza. The available evidence from observational studies is of very low quality with confounding by indication a major potential concern. Although we found that adjunctive corticosteroid therapy was associated with increased mortality, this result should be interpreted with caution. In the context of clinical trials of adjunctive corticosteroid therapy in sepsis and pneumonia that report improved outcomes, including decreased mortality, more high-quality research is needed (both RCTs and observational studies). Currently, we do not have sufficient evidence in this review to determine the effectiveness of corticosteroids for patients with influenza.


That is not compelling at all.

Moving on to 64.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27036638

CONCLUSIONS:
Corticosteroids were commonly prescribed for H1N1pdm09-related critical illness. Adjusting for only baseline between-group differences suggested a significant increased risk of death associated with corticosteroids. However, after adjusting for time-dependent differences, we found no significant association between corticosteroids and mortality. These findings highlight the challenges and importance in adjusting for baseline and time-dependent confounders when estimating clinical effects of treatments using observational studies.


Hmm. So, depending upon which line you read, steroids either kill you--or they don't.


Citation 65

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29161116

CONCLUSIONS:
Corticosteroid therapy in patients with MERS was not associated with a difference in mortality after adjustment for time-varying confounders but was associated with delayed MERS coronavirus RNA clearance. These findings highlight the challenges and importance of adjusting for baseline and time-varying confounders when estimating clinical effects of treatments using observational studies.


And then 66 a paper reviewing the use of steroids for sepsis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6083439/
Sepsis is a syndrome of life threatening infection with organ dysfunction, and most guidelines do not advise use of corticosteroids to treat it in the absence of refractory shock

Two new trials of corticosteroid treatment for sepsis came to differing conclusions

Corticosteroids may reduce the risk of death by a small amount and increase neuromuscular weakness by a small amount, but the evidence is not definitive

This guideline makes a weak recommendation for corticosteroids in patients with sepsis; both steroids and no steroids are reasonable management options


More (not) compelling evidence

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2763879

In adults receiving mechanical ventilation who do not have ARDS, routine use of systematic corticosteroids is suggested against (weak recommendation, LQE). In those with ARDS, use of corticosteroids is suggested (weak recommendation, LQE).


Here the Lancet sums up all the ways that steroids with COVID will (not) kill you:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30317-2/fulltext

No clinical data exist to indicate that net benefit is derived from corticosteroids in the treatment of respiratory infection due to RSV, influenza, SARS-CoV, or MERS-CoV. The available observational data suggest increased mortality and secondary infection rates in influenza, impaired clearance of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and complications of corticosteroid therapy in survivors. If it is present, the effect of steroids on mortality in those with septic shock is small, and is unlikely to be generalisable to shock in the context of severe respiratory failure due to 2019-nCoV.


The word that jumped out at me was "survivor". I would much rather have a steroid side effect and be alive than die with strong bones.

It is going to be close to impossible to do a study about the risk/benefits of steroids for COVID. Those who are already on steroids when they get sick are likely to have asthma or be immune suppressed--increasing their risk for severe disease.

But please, can we stop punishing those who actually need their steroids to breathe by saying "In this climate, I am not prescribing steroids"? It makes it sound like health care providers are more concerned about not getting sued than about treating individual patients for their individual needs.



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