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March 3, 2013
Ezra Klein mans up and admits he was wrong. He had written a piece suggesting that if only Republicans knew how much Obama has been willing to offer, they might be willing to make a deal. Jonathan Chait set him straight, informing him that no matter what Obama put on the table, Republicans would find a way to say that its not enough. And sure enough, a Twitter exchange lets Klein watch that process in real time, as a top Republican consultant, confronted with evidence that Obama has already conceded what he said was all that was needed, keeps adding more demands.
So Klein admits that Republicans just dont want to make a deal. Their objections to the deals on the table arent sincere; if convinced that Obama has met their demands, they just make more demands.
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The whole push for a Grand Bargain has been based on the notion that we can reach a fiscal deal that takes the whole fight over the budget off the table. What Klein has belatedly learned is how unlikely such a Bargain really is; but the same logic tells us that any Grand Bargain that might somehow be struck, via Obamas mystical ability to mind-meld Star Trek and Star Wars or something, wouldnt last. In a year or more likely in a minute or two Republicans would be back, demanding more tax cuts and more cuts in social programs. They just wont take yes for an answer.
Meanwhile, its not just Republicans who refuse to accept it when Obama gives them what they want; the same applies, with even less justification, to centrist pundits. As people like Greg Sargent point out time and again, the centrist ideal deficit reduction via a mix of revenue increases and benefits cuts is what Obama is already offering; in fact, his proposals have been to the right of Bowles-Simpson. [font size="3" color="red"]Yet the centrist pundits keep demanding that Obama offer what he has already offered, and condemn both sides equally (or even place most of the blame on Obama) for the failure to reach a deal.[/font] Again, informing them of their error wouldnt help;[font size="3"] their whole shtick is about blaming both sides, and they will always invent some reason why Obama just isnt doing it right[/font].
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NOTE: Krugman and Joe Scarborough will be on the GOP's Charlie Rose's show - tomorrow. You may want to watch so you can then post here and on Rose's web-site about Scarborough's bullshit.
Republicans Won't Take 'Yes' for an Answer - Paul Krugman
(emphases my own)
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/today-in-well-duh/
Ezra Klein mans up and admits he was wrong. He had written a piece suggesting that if only Republicans knew how much Obama has been willing to offer, they might be willing to make a deal. Jonathan Chait set him straight, informing him that no matter what Obama put on the table, Republicans would find a way to say that its not enough. And sure enough, a Twitter exchange lets Klein watch that process in real time, as a top Republican consultant, confronted with evidence that Obama has already conceded what he said was all that was needed, keeps adding more demands.
So Klein admits that Republicans just dont want to make a deal. Their objections to the deals on the table arent sincere; if convinced that Obama has met their demands, they just make more demands.
~~
~~
The whole push for a Grand Bargain has been based on the notion that we can reach a fiscal deal that takes the whole fight over the budget off the table. What Klein has belatedly learned is how unlikely such a Bargain really is; but the same logic tells us that any Grand Bargain that might somehow be struck, via Obamas mystical ability to mind-meld Star Trek and Star Wars or something, wouldnt last. In a year or more likely in a minute or two Republicans would be back, demanding more tax cuts and more cuts in social programs. They just wont take yes for an answer.
Meanwhile, its not just Republicans who refuse to accept it when Obama gives them what they want; the same applies, with even less justification, to centrist pundits. As people like Greg Sargent point out time and again, the centrist ideal deficit reduction via a mix of revenue increases and benefits cuts is what Obama is already offering; in fact, his proposals have been to the right of Bowles-Simpson. [font size="3" color="red"]Yet the centrist pundits keep demanding that Obama offer what he has already offered, and condemn both sides equally (or even place most of the blame on Obama) for the failure to reach a deal.[/font] Again, informing them of their error wouldnt help;[font size="3"] their whole shtick is about blaming both sides, and they will always invent some reason why Obama just isnt doing it right[/font].
(more)
NOTE: Krugman and Joe Scarborough will be on the GOP's Charlie Rose's show - tomorrow. You may want to watch so you can then post here and on Rose's web-site about Scarborough's bullshit.
March 2, 2013
With automatic, across-the-board spending cuts set to begin Friday, majorities of Americans believe that approach is not a good idea and also say the contentious budget negotiations make them less confident about the U.S. economy, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Click here for full poll results (.pdf)
Despite those findings, a majority still supports Congress moving ahead with either the current cuts or a plan containing even more cuts as a way to reduce the deficit, suggesting the publics general appetite for reducing spending.
But the poll also shows that as the nations political actors once again quarrel over these automatic cuts totaling $1.2 trillion over 10 years commonly referred to as sequestration or the sequester President Barack Obama finds himself in a much stronger position than his Republican adversaries.
If the president needs some tweaks and adjustments, the Republican Party is pretty much in need of a major makeover, says Democratic pollster Fred Yang of Hart Research Associates, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.
NBC/WSJ poll: Public says GOP less interested in unity than Obama is
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17103513-nbcwsj-poll-public-says-gop-less-interested-in-unity-than-obama-is?lite
But by nearly a 3-to-1 margin, respondents conclude that the Republican Party is emphasizing partisanship more than unity.
In the poll, 48 percent say Obama is pursuing a path to unify the country in a bipartisan way, while 43 percent say he's taking a partisan approach that doesn't unify the country.
By comparison, 64 percent say the Republican Party is taking a partisan approach, versus 22 percent who say it's focused on unity.
As for the Democratic Party, a plurality of respondents -- by a 49 percent to 37 percent margin -- think it is emphasizing partisanship more than unity.
Public wary about sequester cuts, but Obama in stronger political position than GOP
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17105540-nbcwsj-poll-public-wary-about-sequester-cuts-but-obama-in-stronger-political-position-than-gop?liteWith automatic, across-the-board spending cuts set to begin Friday, majorities of Americans believe that approach is not a good idea and also say the contentious budget negotiations make them less confident about the U.S. economy, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Click here for full poll results (.pdf)
Despite those findings, a majority still supports Congress moving ahead with either the current cuts or a plan containing even more cuts as a way to reduce the deficit, suggesting the publics general appetite for reducing spending.
But the poll also shows that as the nations political actors once again quarrel over these automatic cuts totaling $1.2 trillion over 10 years commonly referred to as sequestration or the sequester President Barack Obama finds himself in a much stronger position than his Republican adversaries.
If the president needs some tweaks and adjustments, the Republican Party is pretty much in need of a major makeover, says Democratic pollster Fred Yang of Hart Research Associates, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.
NBC/WSJ poll: Public says GOP less interested in unity than Obama is
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17103513-nbcwsj-poll-public-says-gop-less-interested-in-unity-than-obama-is?lite
But by nearly a 3-to-1 margin, respondents conclude that the Republican Party is emphasizing partisanship more than unity.
In the poll, 48 percent say Obama is pursuing a path to unify the country in a bipartisan way, while 43 percent say he's taking a partisan approach that doesn't unify the country.
By comparison, 64 percent say the Republican Party is taking a partisan approach, versus 22 percent who say it's focused on unity.
As for the Democratic Party, a plurality of respondents -- by a 49 percent to 37 percent margin -- think it is emphasizing partisanship more than unity.
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