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freshwest's JournalThanks so much for posting the relevant section and the amendments. Now to stop the movement to
repeal the 14th by Ryan and like minded folks.That would eliminate the part he sells in the video posted here on DU to a crowd as they complain about anchor babies, the Birthright Citizenship clause of the 14th. But it would also remove the clauses on Due Process and Equal Protection under the Law.
Most cannot imagine losing those rights, but the GOP is chipping away at them daily in states. Ryan's plan, with Koch money, no doubt about that with ALEC, was to turn enough states 'red' to have enough state conventions to repeal it.
Which is exactly how the amendments are enacted and repealed, AFAIK. So they could do it and are creating a culture that wants everything after the 10th, which was cited by states rights advocates before the Civil War and now, to not follow any federal law.
Imagine an America that was reduced back to that state of affairs, which was chaotic. Those who get very exercized about the 4th, may not realize that it did not end slavery, nor allow universal sufferage, women to control their reproductive lives or gays to marry.
The RWNJs have certain amendments they focus upon, the 2nd, 4th and 10th, but those did not protect Dred Scott, since the Supreme Court saw him as property, and that the property rights of the owner superceded his rights as a human being.
Private property rights are a wonderful thing, and grant freedom to those who own it. But not to those who are abused by that system, and many have been. They do not grant human rights which should not be dependent on social standing.
This has always been part of the ideological rift in America, between those people who believe that human rights supercede the rights of the owners of land or capital. For opposing that system in the world, human rights and environmental activists are slain daily by those who have, and still do now, steal property from the weaker or less armed and then become more powerful off that. Then they seek to deny them the right to fight for social equity.
The USA Constitution is meant to protect us from those forces. But it took a Civil War to vanquish the 10thers of that day. Then the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments gave blacks basic rights, but they still had to have the civil rights and voting rights acts passed.
We better avail ourselves of all our rights before they are taken away from nationally. People have been losing their rights in one state after another state daily in red states.
The 50th anniversary of the Freedom and Jobs March on Washington will be this Saturday. I hope it will renew our national commitment to equality for all.
And as to what Holder the DOJ are doing, they know that 'Use it or lose it' applies here. This is the best news that I've heard all week.
Thanks again for posting the details.
So many contradictions, or are they?
All about the 4th, but not for women having any.
All about peace, but goes with the 2nd solution crowd.
All about saving the planet, but against the Greens, FFS!
Oh, well, you know what they say about making sausage. And it's just too bad if you happen to be on the list of ingredients instead of the guys doing the eating.
And the Rand Paul thing?
How many rights is that guy going to take from us lesser folk to get the grifter version of freedom and liberty, and not a peep about that?
Let's see, personhood bills, national RTL laws, no labor standards, no regulating mines or protecting food, water, air, stuff like that, no birth control and no EPA, etc.
Get rid of and sell off public assets, as in no public parks, hospitals, schools or public healthcare, food or housing assistance, no welfare (that includes Social Security), services like fire departments and no voting rights, laws against discrimination, etc.
And shut down the whole government, Social Security payments, Medicare and Medicaid, if Rand can't repeal Obamacare. Because it's just the right thing to do, you know. The Anglosphere and Assange have had that UHC but it's against freedom and liberty!
In exchange for destroying the USA government, we will get a government such they endorsed, the Christian Right in Australia. Rand has already spoken up for a Christian Nationalist regime, otherwise called a theocracy.
No public schools, or even no schools at all, no redress in court, no right to medical care, a roof over your head or anything else. But you won't pay any taxes or have to follow any regulations ever again, and another plus, no liberals or Democrats will ever vote again.
And if you can't Go Galt with a gun, then FOAD.
Assange's fans like Snowden loved Bush and Ron Paul, but they hate Obama.
I think they could see the writing on the wall and went with Rand. The NRA will now come to his defense and love Assange just as much as they do Rand. Just like Alex Jones, etc.
Can the AFA and the rest of the groups on the SPLC list be far behind?
Deep stuff here. I need to get into my hip waders.
I want some of what Assange is drinking:
"I made a decision two months ago to spend a lot of my time on dealing with the Edward Snowden asylum situation and trying to save the life of a young man (Bradley Manning)," he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iuimMtdtYu_suiuXzbd6wcuAVLDA?docId=CNG.cc92f361e099a730888da0cdf78b3598.1e1&hl=en
He used and discarded Manning, typical of this entire cabal, they use and discard people. So in what alternative universe did he help Manning?
Did he send information to the defense team? Make legal motions? Send money?
What an ego!
Here you go. They have a flag and plans and uniforms, too:
Yes, that is a fetus.
Resister in the Rockies
"We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!" ~ William Jennings Bryan, 1896
http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-51st-state-initiative-blog.html
Their viewpoint:
Another viewpoint:
Colorado Counties Want To Form 51st State To Avoid Environmental Protections
By Nicole Flatow on July 11, 2013
At least ten rural Colorado counties are taking aggressive steps to form a 51st state, saying their interests are not being met by moves to regulate the oil and gas industry, increase renewable energy, and better regulate guns. Organizers in Kansas and Nebraska are also interested in joining the state they call “North Colorado.”
Organizers met this week to draw up boundaries of the new state, as part of an ambitious schedule to draft a ballot initiative by August 1, and get a proposal before the voters in November. Congress must approve admission of a new state into the Union. But the U.S. Constitution also requires that secession of parts of any existing state be approved both by the voters and legislature of that state. This means Colorado would have to approve of the counties’ secession, as would Kansas and Nebraska if parts of those states wanted to join. One of the ten counties that initiated the movement, Weld County, is larger than Delaware and Rhode Island, according to a county commissioner.
One of the laws that movement representatives say “broke the camel’s back” requires rural energy cooperatives to get 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020. The current goal is ten percent. While Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed the bill into law, he also signed an executive order committing to make an independent assessment of whether the 20 percent requirement is feasible, and to revisit the legislation next session if need be. The organizers also cite several failed bills to regulate the oil and gas industry that would have increased fines for violations of state law, and imposed other measures to address the fast-increasing number of both wells and oil spills and contaminations in Colorado over the last several years.
Proponents of the movement say the legislature is not recognizing its “main economic drivers, agriculture and energy.” But these energy-heavy rural counties are also particularly vulnerable to environmental degradation, which is why some residents have voiced strong opposition to the movement. “I don’t want be in a 51st state,” Washington County resident Steve Frey told the local CBS affiliate. “I don’t want any part of their fracking that they’re doing in Weld County...”
More at link:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/11/2288901/colorado-counties-want-to-form-51st-state-to-avoid-environmental-protections/
I think the Koch brothers are behind this. They have been reported to have their own military forces in Colorado. Saw it on DU. Gotta go.
Maddox never claimed to be a Democrat or support Obama. She has a job where she is paid to talk.
And she's a good voice most of the time, but it may be some bias she has that others not so situated may not have. She wouldn't be human if she didn't. The OP has a right to his opinion, and the nerve this has struck is over the top and not rational. This is from RM's Wikipedia entry:Asked about her political views by the Valley Advocate, Maddow replied, "I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform..."
Distinguishing herself from others on the left, Maddow said she's a "national security liberal" and in a different interview that she's not "a partisan."[52][53] The New York Times called her a "defense policy wonk"[40][52] and Maddow has written Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power (2012), a book on the role of the military in postwar American politics.
During the 2008 presidential election, Maddow did not formally support any candidate. Concerning Barack Obama's candidacy, Maddow said during the primaries, "I have never and still don't think of myself as an Obama supporter, either professionally or actually."[54]
In March 2010, Republican Scott Brown, the junior United States Senator from Massachusetts, speculated that Maddow was going to run against him for his seat in 2012. He used this premise for a fundraising email that read "...The Massachusetts political machine is looking for someone to run against me. And you're not going to believe who they are supposedly trying to recruit — liberal MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow."
Maddow said Brown's speculation was false. On her March 23, 2010, TV program, Maddow said, "I have the best job in the world. I am not running for office. Scott Brown didn't ask me if I was running or planning to run for office before he wrote a fundraising letter with my name. No, it's completely made up by him." Despite her comments, the next day Brown continued along the same line, telling a Boston radio station, "Bring her on."
To help put an end to the matter, Maddow ran a full-page advertisement in The Boston Globe confirming she was not running, and separately demanded Brown's apology. She added that despite repeated invitations over the months, Brown had refused to appear on her TV program.[55][56][57][58] Ultimately, it was Elizabeth Warren who ran in 2012, defeating Brown...[59]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow
She may be a libertarian, for all we know, or some other factor may have gotten her into this. She's not in politics, she's in media. That carries a lot of weight with those in the industry, they always support each other unless their bosses tell them no.
Do the media pundits support us, or do they play us? We can't tell and the idea DUers would attack each other with such viciousness over what they have to say over a public figure sounds like hero worship.
The OP doesn't agree with her one show there, and I never agree with Beck, Rush, O'Reilly and whatever. Does that mean I am deserving of unquestioning respect?
Does anyone think that Maddox, who is making millions of dollars a year, cares what a poster at DU thinks?
I think not. I signed up in the DU2 days to talk with Democrats and learned a lot from those who to the left and right of me, some that I felt uncomfortable with until I found we had common ground in other things. From them I have learned about what their life in the bigger world is.
But calling for people to be banned, piling on and name calling, is not about discussion. It's a mob going after a group in the minority to purge. This is Skinner's website and he chooses who will be a member here. This is spite and does nothing to change the world.
All good common sense, clearly stated. Still, who is the terrorist being aided?
The term terrorist seems to have been abused so much in this century, I am reduced to using it for the only clear threats I see to my life and liberty, demagogues of the 2nd Amendment Solution and 10th type who want to take us back a few centuries. They are going state by state to establish fascist theocratic plutocracies. The G.A.S. attacks never address those dangers, making them suspect to me as being with the team that is doing it.
The team arming and ginning themselves up to off me and mine. Those are the 'terrorists' I am concerned with. The rest, including the guys in Boston who were fans of the Alex Jones show, or others who listen to Glenn Beck and have killed real people in real life, and the assorted John Birch Society, Tea Party and Libertarian fanatics are commiting what I call terrorism.
The rest, including this fiasco by Greenwald setting up Snowden and Miranda to act as fall guys, and Assange using Manning, is just used to disempower the rule of government through the daily attrition of tripe being spewed. It's not terrorism of the brick and mortar type, it's just propaganda. Repeated endlessly, since the days of Reagan in new and exciting packaging. so it's TheTruth©.
And it works well, keeps those who are trying to keep the social contract going off balance fighting charges of being totalitarians because they want government to tax the wealthy to confiscate the wealth they've confiscated from us all. But G.A.S. have no need of or respect for that continuing to exist. So they can spit in everyone's faces and still make Koch dollars for putting on a media show. It's pathetic.
I still don't see terrorism of the kind the law was made to address, like 9/11 or 7/7. But I do see the theft of the data, which none of us know what it was to begin with, and could be used by international RWNJs to do harm and has been in the past.
Such as the Manning case, where he admitted some of what he released did 'harm to real people'. I'm not concerned about his being sorry for 'hurting the government of the USA', as he is talking in terms maybe only military people think.
I see this current spat of unending provocations with the RW media like Comcast MSNBC, et al, as an anti-government act used as a diversion. And it's demoralizing and divisive, as if media didn't how to push every one of our buttons.
It keeps the public eye off the Koch brothers and John Birch Society and what they are doing to steal my freedom and liberty on a daily basis. Since the triad of G.A.S. doesn't ever speak to those concerns, I cannot imagine what rarified atmosphere they exist in where it doesn't matter. They are working to create exactly what the 1% wants.
The G.A.S. speak of the people or principles being 'thrown under the bus' should take a good look under the bus. A lot of us have been thrown under the bus for real, and we are still alive, but we're invisible to the crowd who suddenly feel scared. Come on and check us out under the proverbial bus, there are billions of us down here. We don't bite. At least, we usually don't...
BTW, I never believed in the 'national security' meme or those 'national interests' abroad in my entire life. I don't see where this is terrorism, but treaties state why the UK did what it did, and it goes back a long way:
...The treaty sharing info goes back to WW2.
The entire Anglosphere has been sharing a lot of information offically on the same basis it did during that war. Below is a post by Devon Rex, although most of us knew this for years, just not this well laid out:
I'll spell it out: UKUSA. It's the SIGINT Intelligence Agreement. BRUSA.
Might as well be signed in blood.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /juːkuːˈsɑː/ ew-koo-sah) is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence between the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as Five Eyes (FVEY). It was first signed in March 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States and later extended to encompass the three Commonwealth realms of Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The UKUSA Agreement was a follow-up of the 1943 BRUSA Agreement, the World War II agreement on cooperation over intelligence matters. This was a secret treaty, allegedly so secret that it was kept secret from the Australian Prime Ministers until 1973.
The agreement established an alliance of five English-speaking countries for the purpose of sharing intelligence, especially signals intelligence. It formalized the intelligence sharing agreement in the Atlantic Charter, signed in 1941, before the entry of the U.S. into the conflict.
History
The agreement originated from a ten-page British–U.S. Communication Intelligence Agreement, also known as BRUSA, that connected the signal intercept networks of the U.K. Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) at the beginning of the Cold War. The document was signed on March 5, 1946 by Colonel Patrick Marr-Johnson for the U.K.'s London Signals Intelligence Board and Lieutenant General Hoyt Vandenberg for the U.S. State–Army–Navy Communication Intelligence Board. Although the original agreement states that the exchange would not be "prejudicial to national interests", the United States often blocked information sharing from Commonwealth countries. The full text of the agreement was released to the public on June 25, 2010.
Under the agreement, the GCHQ and the NSA shared intelligence on the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and several eastern European countries (known as Exotics). The network was expanded in the 1960s into the Echelon collection and analysis network.
In July 2013, as part of the 2013 Edward Snowden revelations, it emerged that the NSA is paying GCHQ for its services, with at least £100 million of payments made between 2010–13.
Collection mechanisms
The UKUSA alliance is often associated with the ECHELON system; however, processed intelligence is reliant on multiple sources of information and the intelligence shared is not restricted to signals intelligence.
The "Five Eyes" in question are –
USA – National Security Agency
United Kingdom – Government Communications Headquarters
Canada – Communications Security Establishment
Australia – Defence Signals Directorate
New Zealand – Government Communications Security Bureau
Global coverage
Each member of the UKUSA alliance is officially assigned lead responsibility for intelligence collection and analysis in different parts of the globe.
Australia
Australia hunts for communications originating in Indochina, Indonesia, and southern China.
Canada
Formerly the northern portions of the former Soviet Union and conducting sweeps of all communications traffic that could be picked up from embassies around the world. In the post-Cold War era, a greater emphasis has been placed on monitoring satellite, radio and cellphone traffic originating from Central and South America, primarily in an effort to track drugs and non-aligned paramilitary groups in the region.
New Zealand
The Waihopai Valley Facility—base of the New Zealand branch of the ECHELON Program.
New Zealand is responsible for the western Pacific. Listening posts in the South Island at Waihopai Valley just south-west of Blenheim, and on the North Island at Tangimoana. The Anti-Bases Campaign holds regular protests in order to have the listening posts closed down.
United Kingdom
Europe, Africa, and European Russia.
United States
Monitors most of Latin America, Asia, Asiatic Russia, and northern China.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023492002#post7
Devon Rex writes, 'Might as well be signed in blood.' That is true. Millions of people died in that war and that's still taken seriously. True, it was before most of us were born but it formed the world we live in.
It's NOT a secret and was NOT forced, it was for mutual protection in a world being overrun by fascists, who were NOT kidding around one damned bit. And they still aren't, but they're a lot slicker now.
If a new generation wants to break the ties of the USA to the rest of the Anglosphere, just go for it. Personally, as I see things, the USA has no real cultural identity and is more like a crossroads. But that's for a longer discussion on another day.
The information discussed here is the legal property of all of those nations, and the agreement was literally written in the blood of millions of combatants and civilians. It was a period of total warfare before the Gevena accords as they stand now and the Nuremberg trials. And those nations didn't want to see it happen again, thus the firm support from treaty partners, both the government and many of the people who live within those nations.
That blood has long since dried for some and may be forgotten, but for others, it has meaning that guides how they lived their lives.
I don't see that anyone is offering a solution in real life terms, which is not media madness. That would require legislation restricting these governments from taking private information as they have in Europe. We used to pass such legislation in the progressive era of the 1970's. That is the worry here, individually. What goes on between those governments is not the same.
There is no law saying it is proper to take information from any of the partners. Which is what Snowden did, at the bidding of his party or from Snowden or Poitras, we don't know which. It appears that Assange is late to this particular media gala.
The treaty partners all work together as a unit, as they are bound by law to do. I find the ignorance of history and civics to be bad for all of us. And I hear no calls to revoke the treaty which was signed to make it Britain's business many years ago.
We dream of a world without any enemies and many of us are in vigorous debate over who the enemy du jour is as we see things today. Frankly, I don't have any enemies abroad.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023501805#post108
^ Edited from original. ^
This detention was not persecution. As if you can persecute a person waving a gun in your face or shouting fire in a theater, which is exactly what Greenwald did in the most public way he possibly could. He was orchestrating a play for the media stage that he supplied the actor his role, wrote the script and advertised it in the NYT of all places. Just to be sure to get a big audience. I almost wonder if the UK was in on the scam, and have decided to play the villain for him while they do some skullduggery on the rest of their people as the internet burns with outrage over this staged event.
If he hadn't announced in advance what was going on to the world and the fabled Police State!!!11!! had just grabbed him without notice, it would only prove that a guy hanging with a guy who threatened to do harm by releasing information was asked about it. Big Brother was not needed, as the event was promoted. If the UK had stood by to let him pass and allowed information to be passed than resulted in a bombing later in London, the same groups would be screaming False Flag!!!!!!
And the party in power in the UK would be out of office immediately. That's where all of this stuff gets murky and can be abused easily. I don't see it here, though. It's SOP in a world to snoop since 'intelligence' is looking for the future with a slightly better track record than reading sheep entrails. And it will never be much better, since the human mind is capable of an infinite variety of tricks.
As far to the terrorism idea, in a way, if that cost lives that would be terrorism. But as I've never served in the military or government, nor wanted to be, either, I don't have knowledge of how this works. It's rather high on my 'ick' and 'boring' list.
But Greenwald set this up by blatantly saying, 'We've got stolen goods, we dare you, just plain dare you, to stop us. We are 'journalists' and you can't touch us. Boo!'
This is not the way someone trying to keep something safe does. Greenwald got exactly what he planned to happen, and the UK was the patsy for this vaudeville act. It's likely the stolen goods were not there, and this was just set up to keep the G.A.S. team getting their Koch $$$s. Because every time the government is made a fool of, it's a win for them and fascism.
I for one, am waiting for this guy to get off the stage and for the media to address real people's problems, but I'm not holding my breath.
Greenwald has been a Koch stooge for years as posted on this board. His former associates at the Exiled have revealed his less than 'professional journalist' behavior more than once, also posted here at DU. I was in the crowd that thought he was doing great stuff until then, and left the camp, not because of his Obama hatred, but just plain old lying and using people.
He has the same credibility with me at this time as Beck does as a historian, O'Reilly as a journalist, Robertson as a prophet and Limbaugh as truth teller. Meh.
Michigandem, is the terrorism charge as I state it, or something beyond the fact deprived public's comprehension?
Astronaut's Story of Near-Drowning Is Disturbing Reminder That Space Is Terrifying
What started off as a fairly routine spacewalk for the International Space Station last month quickly turned into something much scarier when water started leaking into an astronaut's helmet. Now, for the first time, we're hearing about the drowning scare in the astronaut's own words.
Flight engineer Luca Parmitano (right) was working to repair some cables on the ISS's exterior during a spacewalk with American astronaut Chris Cassidy on July 16 when he started to feel condensation pool in the rear of his helmet. My head is really wet and I have a feeling it's increasing," Parmitano told Johnson Space Center in Houston about an hour into the mission. Last night, on his personal blog, Parmitano explained that he was in one of the most difficult positions outside the space station -- "I’m literally wedged between three different modules, with my visor and my PLSS (my ‘backpack’) just a few centimetres from the external walls of Node 3, Node 1 and the Lab" -- when the unthinkable started to happen: The sensation of water pooling around the back of his neck Eventually, the liquid started interrupting the Italian astronaut's ability to see, speak and hear...
Houston did, in fact, decide to terminate the mission early: Parmitano and Cassidy were scheduled to perform maintenance for six or seven hours -- the mission lasted one hour, 32 minutes in the end. What follows is one of the most terrifying, unimaginable passages you may have ever read. Imagine being in a spacesuit, a fishbowl helmet literally keeping you alive and filling with water, losing your ability to see or communicate or breathe, and having to perform a series of space gymnastics with your life on the line. A warning: You may need a paper bag handy to make it through this:
"As I move back along my route towards the airlock, I become more and more certain that the water is increasing. I feel it covering the sponge on my earphones and I wonder whether I’ll lose audio contact. The water has also almost completely covered the front of my visor, sticking to it and obscuring my vision. I realise that to get over one of the antennae on my route I will have to move my body into a vertical position, also in order for my safety cable to rewind normally. At that moment, as I turn ‘upside-down’, two things happen: the Sun sets, and my ability to see – already compromised by the water – completely vanishes, making my eyes useless; but worse than that, the water covers my nose – a really awful sensation that I make worse by my vain attempts to move the water by shaking my head. By now, the upper part of the helmet is full of water and I can’t even be sure that the next time I breathe I will fill my lungs with air and not liquid. To make matters worse, I realise that I can’t even understand which direction I should head in to get back to the airlock. I can’t see more than a few centimetres in front of me, not even enough to make out the handles we use to move around the Station..."
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/08/astronauts-story-near-drowning-disturbing-reminder-space-terrifying/68571/
Water Leak in Astronaut Helmet Cuts Spacewalk
Published on Jul 16, 2013
VIDEO description:
NASA aborted a spacewalk at the International Space Station on Tuesday because of a dangerous water leak in an astronaut's helmet that drenched his eyes, nose and mouth. (July 16)
More at the Atlantic link. Apologize if it's been posted before but can't find it through search. This happened some weeks ago.
It reminds me of the 1979 movie Alien with its 'In Space No One Can Hear You Scream' meme. That flick scared the bejesus outta me. Except in this real life event, he was saved by a professional team effort. Good work, Houston and astronauts.
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