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Teacher Accidentally Fires Gun; At Least 1 Student Injured

As a controversial idea to arm teachers is pushed, and students gear up for gun control demonstrations across the nation, a California story lends unsettling context. Per KSBW, a teacher at Seaside High School in Monterey County (also 2013's reserve officer of the year for the Sand City PD and trained in firearms, per the Washington Post) was demonstrating "public safety" Tuesday for his administration of justice class with a semiautomatic handgun. But as Dennis Alexander was handling the weapon, it fired while pointed upward, sending the bullet ricocheting off the ceiling, Seaside Police Chief Abdul Pridgen tells the Monterey Herald. Pridgen says one student suffered non-life-threatening wounds to his neck from either falling debris or "fragmentation"—not from a bullet, per the Monterey County Weekly—and that class went on after the dust literally settled.

KSBW reports two other students also had minor injuries. "It's the craziest thing. It could have been very bad," the dad of the 17-year-old student with the hurt neck says, adding school officials never checked to see if any students were injured, and that he and his son's mother were the ones who noticed his bloody shirt and neck injuries when he got home. Alexander, meanwhile, who's been a reserve officer for 11 years, has been placed on leave from both the school and the Sand City PD. "I have concerns about why he was displaying a loaded firearm in a classroom," that department's chief says. Seaside's Pridgen tells the Herald: "We're looking into any violation of city ordinance or the penal code and we'll determine whether or not there are any applicable charges." KSBW notes California teachers aren't allowed to bring firearms into classrooms, even with concealed carry permits.

http://www.newser.com/story/256564/teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-at-least-1-student-injured.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Not only this type of goof, but arming teachers will create a new type of school shooting: Bonking a teacher on the head & stealing his gun & going on a shooting spree with bullets smuggled in by the newly armed student.
Wayne Lapierre, go soak your lapierre-head..
Posted by jimmy the one | Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:47 AM (0 replies)

Jack Kingston makes fool of himself on national TV re GUNS

Jack KINGSTON (R) on cnn last weekend vs david jolly (R): -- if you want to put it on the table you also have to tell me why when gun purchases went up did the crime rate go down? And neither of you have said -- no --
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1802/20/nday.04.html

Kingston went on to say that he hadn't heard of any reason whyfor the crime rate went down other than citing 161 million increase in the national gunstock between early 1990's and 2014 (read today).
As if putting over 150 million more guns in people's hands were the reason for the crime decrease.
We say BS! Kingston is either intentionally lying or is ignorant of the facts, I suspect the latter.

One correlation (reason imo) in the decline of violent crime & total crime from early 1990's to now is that the rate of gun ownership has also been declining. By about 30%, both personal & home gun ownership.
Another point is that the new gun sales went maybe half to existing gun owners:



General Social Survey (GSS) .. data show a substantial decline in the shares of both households and individuals with guns... 1973, 49% reported having a gun or revolver in their home or garage. In 2012, 34% said they had a gun in their home or garage.
.. personal gun ownership in 1980, 29% said a gun in their home personally belonged to them. This stands at 22% in the 2012 GSS survey. http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/section-3-gun-ownership-trends-and-demographics/
3) ... The Pew Research Center has tracked gun ownership since 1993, and our surveys largely confirm the General Social Survey trend. In our Dec 1993 survey, 45% reported having a gun in their household; in early 1994, the GSS found 44% saying they had a gun in their home. A Jan 2013 Pew Research Center survey found 33% saying they had a gun, rifle or pistol in their home, as did 34% in the 2012 wave of {GSS}.


According to all 3 polls above, personal & household gun ownership rates fell dramatically during the same 8 yr time period as when violent crime & total crime rates fell dramatically, ~1992 - 2000.
National gunstock increased during that time period as well, also to now, but is demonstrably shown that a solid portion of those guns went to existing gun owners rather than creating any increase in the rate of gun owners.
The clinton crime initiative went into effect in 1994, which also had an affect on declining violent crime rates, but wouldn't've affected 1992, 93, 94.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Feb 20, 2018, 01:09 PM (1 replies)

Remington files for bankruptcy, falling sales

U.S. gunmaker Remington reaches deal with creditors to file for bankruptcy....
Remington Outdoor Company Inc, one of the largest U.S. makers of firearms, said on Monday it had reached a deal with its creditors to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy to slash its $950 million debtload

The planned bankruptcy filing follows a decline in sales at the armsmaker, in part because of receding fears that guns will become more heavily regulated by the U.S. government, according to credit ratings agencies.

U.S. President Donald Trump has said he will “never, ever infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Since Trump’s election victory in November 2016, American Outdoor Brands Corp has lost almost two thirds of its stock market value, while Sturm Ruger & Company Inc has fallen by a quarter. By comparison, the S&P 500 has increased by a quarter in the same period.

Remington said it will receive $145 million in bankruptcy financing to fund the company through the Chapter 11 process. Remington plans to file bankruptcy in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, seeking to write off about $700 million in debt.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-remingtonoutdoor-bankruptcy/u-s-gunmaker-remington-reaches-deal-with-creditors-to-file-for-bankruptcy-idUSKBN1FW23Q

hahahahahaha!
actually tho, don't know whether to be happy or sad.....
... maybe the nra is getting 'cat scratch fever', over declining gun sales.....
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:15 PM (7 replies)

Remington files for bankruptcy, cites decline in sales

U.S. gunmaker Remington reaches deal with creditors to file for bankruptcy....
Remington Outdoor Company Inc, one of the largest U.S. makers of firearms, said on Monday it had reached a deal with its creditors to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy to slash its $950 million debtload

The planned bankruptcy filing follows a decline in sales at the armsmaker, in part because of receding fears that guns will become more heavily regulated by the U.S. government, according to credit ratings agencies.

U.S. President Donald Trump has said he will “never, ever infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Since Trump’s election victory in November 2016, American Outdoor Brands Corp has lost almost two thirds of its stock market value, while Sturm Ruger & Company Inc has fallen by a quarter. By comparison, the S&P 500 has increased by a quarter in the same period.

Remington said it will receive $145 million in bankruptcy financing to fund the company through the Chapter 11 process. Remington plans to file bankruptcy in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, seeking to write off about $700 million in debt.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-remingtonoutdoor-bankruptcy/u-s-gunmaker-remington-reaches-deal-with-creditors-to-file-for-bankruptcy-idUSKBN1FW23Q

hahahahahaha!
actually tho, don't know whether to be happy or sad.....
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:13 PM (5 replies)

none dare call it treason, except trump & the lunatic fringe

Trump said it was “un-American” and “treasonous” when some congressional Democrats did not applaud during last week's State of the Union address..
“Even on positive news like that, really positive news like that, they were like death and un-American,” Trump said at a manufacturing plant outside Cincinnati. “Somebody said ‘treasonous.’ I mean, yeah, I guess, why not? Shall we call that treason? Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”


Of course, if trump was making money off something unamerican or treasonous, he'd be singing a different tune coming out from his cookoo clock.

Stormer’s book is taken from a quotation of Sir John Harrington (1561-1612): “Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

Dems could take heart in the words of Patrick Henry, & argue that it is not the issues trump demagogued about in his sotu, but actually trump the national disgrace, for why they remained silent.

"If this be treason, make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry, speaking against the Stamp Act of 1765 before the Virginia House of Burgesses
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Feb 6, 2018, 10:52 AM (0 replies)

Survey on RKBA and gun control

I'm doing this as a favor for someone doing research. I hope it doesn't break any DU rules...
It takes about 15 minutes, and I found it pretty interesting. Challenging too.
_________________________________________________________________

Here's a comprehensive survey that may be of interest to members of this forum:

[link:https://missouri.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_ewYYLFRM9OJF349|

It needs respondents from both gun-rights and gun-control advocates.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:54 PM (18 replies)

Everybody Knows - the 2017 Democratic Fight Song

Right wing talking heads say we're dead, apathetic, floundering, indifferent, a lost cause, forlorn hope, extinct.
Well we're dormant true, but really none of the above; no sense in spitting in the wind, let trumpism run its course, we'll resurrect next year, as the political pendulum swings high.

Leonard Cohen, Montreal Canadian died last year, more known for songs Hallelujah & Suzanne (takes you down to a place by the river) ie Judy Collins, wrote the lyrics for the current democrat 'fight' song for this year - a good song sung, worth a listen:

Everybody Knows
Leonard Cohen

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed {antiquated electoral college}
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich

That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long-stem rose
Everybody knows

Posted by jimmy the one | Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:55 PM (3 replies)

Nearly 80 million strong

Nope, not about gun owners who personally own a firearm. Coincidentally with the estimate of personal gun ownership, 80 million is an approximate number of americans who believe (or believed 9 yrs ago 2008) that the 2nd amendment pertained to a militia centric right, not solely an individual rkba = right to keep bear arms.
Sure, most americans today believe it's an individual rkba, but they've been brainwashed a lot by rightwing gun lobby propaganda over the years, or influenced by their parents, or perhaps in some younger macho stage of life.

Approx 322 million americans today,
Age 18 and over 247,773,709 = 77% total population
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/99-total-population-by-child-and-adult#detailed/1/any/false/573,869,36,868,867/39,40,41/416,417

Of the adult population, 31% x ~250 million = 75 million. Tho the polls below surveyed only adults, I think we could include adolescents knowledgeable on history, who would agree on first sight with a militia interpretation. Indeed, I was a child maybe 8 when I saw the 2ndA the first time & immediately thought it had to do with the militia, not granting individual rights to guns. So with the adolescent population it's about 80 million, STRONG.
(Ha, cannot apply adolescents to law abiding gun owner figures, can they?)

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. June 4-5, 2008. N=1,035 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. "Part of the debate about gun ownership hinges on how we interpret the U.S. constitution. The exact words of the constitution are as follows: 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.'
Do you think these words guarantee each person the right to own a gun, or do they protect the right of citizens to form a militia without implying that each individual has the right to own a gun?"


Right of Each PersonTo Own a Gun .... Right of Citizens to Form a Militia Unsure
6/4-5/08 .. 67........................................ 30........................... 4
12/6-9/07.. 65......................................... 31....................... 5


CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Part of the debate about gun ownership hinges on how we interpret the U.S. constitution. The exact words of the constitution are as follows: 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.'
Do you think these words guarantee each person the right to own a gun, or do they protect the right of citizens to form a militia without implying that each individual has the right to own a gun?"


Right of Each Person To Own a Gun .... Right of Citizens to Form a Militia
ALL adults... 65 ........31
Men........... 72 ........26
Women .......58 ........35
Urban......... 50 ........42
Suburban.... 64 ........32
Rural ..........73 ........23
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns2.htm

There are other polls circa 2008 which resulted in only 20% for a well regulated millitia, but the poll wording was so awful that it only reflected modern thought on whether the national gds could own guns, & not people.

gallup, boo on wording: Do you believe the Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution guarantees the rights of Americans to own guns, or do you believe it only guarantees members of state militias such as National Guard units the right to own guns?" --- barf, national guards weren't even in existence in 1791.

Then CNN in 2009 had a post 2008 heller poll, so misleading it reveals little tho backs up at 21% gallup's poor wording: It was only intended to preserve the existence of citizen-militias, and does not give individual Americans the right to keep and bear arms for their own defense."

Even at 20%, that's about 50 million. The more educated people get about the 2ndA, the more apt they are to realize it pertained to primarily the militia, while certainly not disallowing gun ownership.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:58 PM (0 replies)

Approve Merrick Garland, due popular vote win by Hillary

Well aware it will not happen.
But while the obsolete & biased electoral college gifted the presidency to trump, the electoral college & electoral vote count should not influence the appointment of a supreme court justice who died under the auspices of our sitting president Obama, 10 months ago. The electoral college was designed to elect presidents not to appoint supreme court justices, especially those replacing justices who died 10 months prior to the election.
Earlier this year, the republican argument was that 'the people should decide', via the november election, which president should appoint to the scalia vacancy.
Well, the people decided by close to 3 million votes that Hillary Clinton was the choice for president. Totally sequitur that therefore the people decided for a liberal or democrat supreme court appointment, rather than a right wing republican one.
As I said, it will not happen, but the argument should be made prior to inauguration, & I haven't seen it. Apologies if it is indeed redundant.

Earlier 2016: North Carolina Republican Richard Burr “The American people deserve a voice in the nomination of the next Supreme Court Justice,” Burr explained.

Cruz statement read. “The People will decide. I commend Mitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley for holding the line and ensuring that We the People get to exercise our authority to decide the direction of the Supreme Court and the Bill of Rights.”

They've both changed their views, of course.

Electoral college votes biased I wrote above, will have a fuller thread in an hour or so (on general discussion) to demonstrate what I mean http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028361403
here is a snapshot:

Reliably red states Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, NDak, Oklahoma, SCar, SDak, Tenn, Texas, Utah, WVa, Wyoming.
Reliably blue states: California, Conn, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Masssa, Minnesota, New Jersey, NMex, NewYork, Oregon, RI, Vermont, Washington.

Blue states above, total population: 96.4 million; total Electoral Votes (EVs) = 194
Red states avove, total population: 77.1 million; total EVs = 191

Blue state Electoral Votes per million = 2.01 EVs/million
Red state Electoral Votes per million = 2.48 EVs/million

Red states enjoy ~25% more electoral votes per million people, than blue states do.
Traitorous Michigan & Pennsy, downgraded to purple states this year, had they been included in the blue state count, would've made it slightly worse for dems, but not significantly.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:14 PM (2 replies)

Electoral Vote Inequality per gun states vs. control states (REVISED)

OK, some of you see thru my ruse; I'm trying to keep it on topic by making it gun states vs control states, but it isn't really, it's just the disparity between red states & blue states when it comes to the electoral votes & subsequent electoral college.
So if you need lock it FL don't worry about offending, I'll understand; just thought it would be good for fellows on this forum to see how disadvantageous the obsolete electoral college is for democrats. Reposted from my exact same general discussion thread I started minutes ago, copied & pasted.

Reliably Red States enjoy approx 7% advantage (revised over original post) over reliably blue states in the electoral college distribution rate.

23 Reliably red states, Electoral Votes, then EVs per million: Alabama 9, 1.85 EVs/million; Alaska 3, 4.05/million; Arizona 11, 1.59; Arkansas 6, 2.00; Georgia 16, 1.55; Idaho 4, 2.38; Indiana 11, 1.66; Kansas 6, 2.05; Kentucky 8, 1.80; Louis 8, 1.71; Mississ 6, 2.00; Missouri 10, 1.64; Montana 3, 2.88; Nebraska 5, 2.62; NDak 3, 3.90; Okla 7, 1.78; SCarolina 9, 1.81; SDak 3, 3.48; Tenn 11, 1.65; Texas 38, 1.36; Utah 6, 1.97; WVa 5, 2.72; Wyoming 3, 5.10

15 Reliably blue states, EVs, then EVs per million: Calif 55, 1.39; Conn 7, 1.95; Delaware 3, 3.14; Hawaii 4, 2.78; Illinois 20, 1.56; Maryland 10, 1.66; Massachusetts 11, 1.61; Minnes 10, 1.81; New Jersey 14, 1.56; NMex 5, 2.40; New York 29, 1.46; Oregon 7, 1.71; RI 4, 3.77; Vermont 3, 4.80; Washington 12, 1.65

12 battleground states, including traitors michigan & pennsy this year: Colorado 9, 1.62 (albeit becoming reliably blue); Florida 29, 1.40; Iowa 6, 1.91; Maine 4, 3.00; Michigan 16, 1.61; Nevada 6, 2.04; New Hampshire 4, 3.00; NCarolina 15, 1.48; Ohio 18, 1.55; Pennsy 20, 1.56; Virginia 13, 1.54; Wisconsin 10, 1.73:

Blue state Electoral Votes per million = 1.65 EVs/million
Red state Electoral Votes per million = 1.79 EVs/million
Purple battleground states EVs per million = ~1.60 EVs/million

Red states enjoy ~7% more electoral votes per million people, than blue states do.
Traitorous Michigan & Pennsy, downgraded to purple states this year, had they been included in the blue state count, would've made it slightly worse for dems, but not significantly.

Purple battleground states are immaterial, since they fluctuate and benefit either side, so they cannot be included in a meaningful comparison.
Less populated states get inordinately higher EVs/million than the rest, but quirky enough, there is not much advantage gained by either red or blue sides, since they pretty much balance each other out, with red Alaska 4.05, Montana 2.88, NDakota 3.90, SDakota 3.48 balanced out by blue Delaware 3.14, Hawaii 2.78, Rhode Island 3.77, & Vermont 4.80, with purple new hampshire 3.00.
Texas gets the least EVs per million with 1.36, just barely & at parity with Florida 1.40, California 1.39, and New York 1.46, the four largest states by population. Wyoming is highest EV/mill at 5.10.

Edit: My original OP used one of two different methods I used to determine EVs per million, but alas the one I posted did not provide what I said it did. I omitted 'parity' states from the method I posted, which mislead. I did this a month back & forgot the two methods in my haste to post it. Mea Culpa, Confiteor & Apologies.
The imbalance is not as pronounced as I first reported, but red states do indeed benefit from an electoral college disparity.
However, rather than being 80% of a red state voter, the rate is about 93% of a red state voter. Far less dramatic for sure, but still there.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:59 PM (4 replies)
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