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November 29, 2015
Bernie Sanders Takes On Walmart
Here's something you won't see Hillary doing anytime soon. The choice is clear who is REALLY fighting for the average American!
Hope and change you can believe in is politicians being truthful and honest! There is no clearer choice this coming election!
Bernie Sanders Takes On Walmart
http://www.politicallore.com/bernie-sanders-takes-on-walmart/1618
Showing once again his support for the common man, Senator Bernie Sanders, I-VT, has taken on the Walmart corporation for its exploitation of its workers and this time Sanders hit the $130 billion plus Walmart family square in the face with an honest pie.
Sanders took to Twitter, the social media communications network to lambaste the Walmart family. At present, Walmart pays minimum wage, cuts employee hours, doesn’t offer benefits and is the epitome of the user/exploit model of administration found far too often in business, government, and religious bodies. It’s gotten to the point that the American taxpayers are paying an additional $6 billion in economic support for Walmart’s employees who are in need of welfare and food stamps and other subsidies just to survive.
Walmart’s owners and stockholders are the culprits here because they care not about the workers and know they have the American public wrapped around their fingers. The public is too stupid, indifferent, uncaring, and uninformed to care about their fellow Americans in such desparate need. The reason being is that Walamart provides such cheap discounts that the American people have become figuratively addicted to the chain.
What’s worse is the lack of support from official sources. Walmart stock is good and is part of every investment portfolio. That unfortunately includes all police, military, all three branches of government employees, teachers, doctors, nurses, all unions in including construction. These stockholders don’t want to see their dividends drop so they won’t stand up to the suppression the Walmart family is putting on the workers. It’s much like what happened to Disney ten years ago. Employees and even high end execs had been complaining about the company and then leader Michael Eisner. Even with mountains of evidence regarding corruption and incompetence, the American people sat on their butts until the dividends dropped and they booted Eisner out in no time and now Disney is the biggest entertainment juggernaut on the planet.
http://www.politicallore.com/bernie-sanders-takes-on-walmart/1618
Showing once again his support for the common man, Senator Bernie Sanders, I-VT, has taken on the Walmart corporation for its exploitation of its workers and this time Sanders hit the $130 billion plus Walmart family square in the face with an honest pie.
Sanders took to Twitter, the social media communications network to lambaste the Walmart family. At present, Walmart pays minimum wage, cuts employee hours, doesn’t offer benefits and is the epitome of the user/exploit model of administration found far too often in business, government, and religious bodies. It’s gotten to the point that the American taxpayers are paying an additional $6 billion in economic support for Walmart’s employees who are in need of welfare and food stamps and other subsidies just to survive.
Walmart’s owners and stockholders are the culprits here because they care not about the workers and know they have the American public wrapped around their fingers. The public is too stupid, indifferent, uncaring, and uninformed to care about their fellow Americans in such desparate need. The reason being is that Walamart provides such cheap discounts that the American people have become figuratively addicted to the chain.
What’s worse is the lack of support from official sources. Walmart stock is good and is part of every investment portfolio. That unfortunately includes all police, military, all three branches of government employees, teachers, doctors, nurses, all unions in including construction. These stockholders don’t want to see their dividends drop so they won’t stand up to the suppression the Walmart family is putting on the workers. It’s much like what happened to Disney ten years ago. Employees and even high end execs had been complaining about the company and then leader Michael Eisner. Even with mountains of evidence regarding corruption and incompetence, the American people sat on their butts until the dividends dropped and they booted Eisner out in no time and now Disney is the biggest entertainment juggernaut on the planet.
November 21, 2015
I'm astonished by Hillary supporters
Absolutely astonished.
I've seen Hillary supporters here on DU in the last few days do this;
Defend fracking.
Defend a non living wage.
Say single payer health care is bad.
Defend The Patriot Act.
Say that Hillary wanting to put back door encryption in our devices is fine.
Her college plan is fine and people should pay something.
Defend the 89 Dem reps who voted to gut SNAP.
Some of these are the core principles of being a Democrat & yet they're against them. I'm sorry but you're defending shit like the above, you're no Dem, hell you aren't even a Liberal. Almost every single one of these listed above are Republican talking points.
Shit like this makes me glad I'm an indy.
November 18, 2015
But, Hillary is for the people! Right? Not so much. Why is it corruption leads a trail of blood wherever she walks?
Spin, spin, spin, paying lip service is lip service.
You can't see me!
Absolutely a DAMNING piece---Hillary touted fracking across the globe
and only Bernie Sanders can be trusted to save us from it.
That's what an article on HuffPo is saying.
And is it ever a hard hitting piece!
Hillary Clinton Touted Fracking Across the Globe, and Only Bernie Sanders Can Be Trusted to Save Us From It
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sainato/hillary-clinton-touted-fr_b_8564764.html
Roh roh......so much for all those environmental concerns. Once again, Big Oil is the #1 concern, screw the people!
In a meeting shortly after with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Bulgarian officials were urged to change their minds, according to Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, offering to "bring the best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits of the technology to the Bulgarian people."One of those specialists sent was Special U.S. Envoy for Eurasian Energy, Richard Morningstar. According to Mother Jones, Morningstar, "touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a five-fold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium." The publication also claims documents they obtained link U.S. diplomatic officials link to the state department have pushed for fracking around the globe while Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State.
But, Hillary is for the people! Right? Not so much. Why is it corruption leads a trail of blood wherever she walks?
According to a Wall Street Journal analysis of public and foundation disclosures, at least sixty companies that lobbied the State Department during Hillary Clinton's tenure donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation, including Exxon Mobil, who are currently under investigation by the New York State Attorney General for misleading the public about climate change.
Spin, spin, spin, paying lip service is lip service.
Hillary Clinton has yet to address the issue of fracking during her campaign. She recently vocalized her opposition to Keystone XL and Arctic drilling, but only when it was deemed politically favorable to say so. Her climate agenda remains filled with holes yet to be plugged as Mrs. Clinton awaits other presidential candidates to test out stances before she chooses the one she seeks to gain the most from. Environmentalists should not trust her when it comes to fracking or other issues regarding the livelihood of the environment, as she has proven through her actions with the State Department, Hillary Clinton favors corporate profits over environmental.
You can't see me!
In contrast, Senator Bernie Sanders is completely against fracking. "I'm very proud that the state of Vermont banned fracking," he said in 2014. "I hope communities all over America do the same." Senator Sanders also hasn't been on the fence at all in regards to controversial environmental issues. He has always opposed Keystone XL, Arctic drilling, and an outspoken advocate for climate change initiatives. When it comes to the environment, Senator Bernie Sanders has a much more extensive, honest, and clear record than Hillary Clinton. Any voter who has a penchant for environmentalism in any capacity should take these stark contrasts into consideration when debating between supporting Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.
November 10, 2015
Are you honestly kidding all of us? Dan, what part of "The TPP is the gold standard" aren't you understanding? She mentions the TPP and how wonderful it is in her book 45 times. FORTY FIVE. The same position but her position is always changing when the wind blows. Again, the pot issue.
No Dan she's not more electable, she doesn't do as well in a general. The general is what matters. Not Dem pandering.
As opposed to those who won't vote for Hillary because she's been hated for decades? I have news for you, Hillary is hated a great deal more than Bernie is. In fact, I'll even use your own logic against you with "GOP attacks only Hillary".
Hillary is underwater & it's a problem. People don't vote for candidates they don't like.
No Dan it isn't dumb, it's a fact. It's not over the top rhetoric either. It's a fact she's a flip flopper and she's the biggest one in the entire race no matter what side of the aisle you look at. She's completely reactionary. How many years did it take her to come out in support of SSM?
*KXL
*TPP
*Single Payer
*NAFTA
*DOMA
*Iraq
*Guns
*Insert latest political issue here
On and on Dan. On and on.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
No Dan, it isn't false. It's true and I showed you what Politifact said. You want another chart to prove my point?
Here you go. Show us otherwise. Show us something that says she isn't propped up by the 1% please. Ball is in your court because this is factual.
Uhhh no Dan, you're wrong. See the NEA https://gadflyonthewallblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/the-nea-may-be-about-to-endorse-hillary-clinton-without-input-from-majority-of-members/
And see that's what you don't understand. You say that but Trump said he agrees with Bernie on trade deals. Can you show me please where ANY Republican candidate has said they agree with Hillary? See, here's the difference, Bernie will work with the other side on issues because HE CAN. Hillary would like to BUT SHE CAN'T. I don't know how to explain this better to you but the absolute hate of Hillary from the right and many indy voters causes her a brick wall. We can argue over this but if you honestly think for a second that Republicans will work with Hillary you're mistaken.
Meanwhile Republicans helped Sanders get elected. Can you show us the same please for Hillary when she ran for Senate?
Thank you.
You're confused here Dan. You're thinking Republicans. True Libertarians see things quite differently. See their bylaws please and keep in mind, no (L) is currently serving in Congress.
https://www.lp.org/platform
Sure they're against single payer health care but most Libertarians I've met, real libertarians, by and large share some issues with liberals. That is where we need to concentrate instead of always think "They're the bad guys!" because that solves absolutely nothing. We can start with the Patriot Act and go from there which Hillary by the way has fully supported.
That's how you get shit done.
Facts aren't misleading Dan.
But that's a good way to spin it so things fit your narrative.
I've debunked you twice, want a third time? Ok.
wo issues where Bernie and Hillary have the same position. Both are strong on the environment, both get strong ratings from LCV, but Hillary is both more electable and also a more capable leader.
Are you honestly kidding all of us? Dan, what part of "The TPP is the gold standard" aren't you understanding? She mentions the TPP and how wonderful it is in her book 45 times. FORTY FIVE. The same position but her position is always changing when the wind blows. Again, the pot issue.
No Dan she's not more electable, she doesn't do as well in a general. The general is what matters. Not Dem pandering.
Sure, there are a few such people, but there's no evidence that this is a significant factor, certainly not enough to outweigh the number of people who won't vote for him because he's too far left.
As opposed to those who won't vote for Hillary because she's been hated for decades? I have news for you, Hillary is hated a great deal more than Bernie is. In fact, I'll even use your own logic against you with "GOP attacks only Hillary".
Hillary is underwater & it's a problem. People don't vote for candidates they don't like.
Calling her "reactionary" is just dumb. And the problem with over-the-top rhetoric like that is that it plays well in the Bernie bubble, but just makes you look silly outside of it. Bernie is further left than Hillary, that's true, but they are both progressive. Look at her voting record, her platform, etc.
No Dan it isn't dumb, it's a fact. It's not over the top rhetoric either. It's a fact she's a flip flopper and she's the biggest one in the entire race no matter what side of the aisle you look at. She's completely reactionary. How many years did it take her to come out in support of SSM?
*KXL
*TPP
*Single Payer
*NAFTA
*DOMA
*Iraq
*Guns
*Insert latest political issue here
On and on Dan. On and on.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
This is totally false. There aren't nearly enough CEOs of big companies to amount to even a small fraction of her donations at $2700 a pop, even if they all did support Hillary, which they don't.
No Dan, it isn't false. It's true and I showed you what Politifact said. You want another chart to prove my point?
Here you go. Show us otherwise. Show us something that says she isn't propped up by the 1% please. Ball is in your court because this is factual.
Also totally false. Every major union that endorsed Hillary polled their membership before their endorsement. I'm sure there are some members of unions who prefer Bernie, but most of them don't.
Uhhh no Dan, you're wrong. See the NEA https://gadflyonthewallblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/the-nea-may-be-about-to-endorse-hillary-clinton-without-input-from-majority-of-members/
I see it mainly as an attack on Hillary, tying her to Bernie's socialism. Regardless, it's just one billboard. Look at the Benghazi ad they ran on TV (or the entire Benghazi committee, for that matter), or who the GOP candidates go after in their debates. It's all Hillary. Bernie isn't even on the radar. If he somehow gets the nomination, this will all change and he'll be flattened.
And see that's what you don't understand. You say that but Trump said he agrees with Bernie on trade deals. Can you show me please where ANY Republican candidate has said they agree with Hillary? See, here's the difference, Bernie will work with the other side on issues because HE CAN. Hillary would like to BUT SHE CAN'T. I don't know how to explain this better to you but the absolute hate of Hillary from the right and many indy voters causes her a brick wall. We can argue over this but if you honestly think for a second that Republicans will work with Hillary you're mistaken.
Meanwhile Republicans helped Sanders get elected. Can you show us the same please for Hillary when she ran for Senate?
Thank you.
You're wrong, libertarians are opposed to anti-discrimination laws because they feel that privately owned companies should be able to discriminate if they want to, it's not the government's business.
You're confused here Dan. You're thinking Republicans. True Libertarians see things quite differently. See their bylaws please and keep in mind, no (L) is currently serving in Congress.
https://www.lp.org/platform
There aren't very many of them, and they certainly don't want single payer healthcare. Yes, libertarians are crazy. I'm sure your girlfriend is an exception, but by and large, they're nuts.
Sure they're against single payer health care but most Libertarians I've met, real libertarians, by and large share some issues with liberals. That is where we need to concentrate instead of always think "They're the bad guys!" because that solves absolutely nothing. We can start with the Patriot Act and go from there which Hillary by the way has fully supported.
That's how you get shit done.
November 10, 2015
Sorry Dan but the facts are Bernie is getting conservative support. I don't know what else to tell you but it is what it is and to go ahead and just turn a blind eye to it says a lot.
No Dan it isn't funny at all and she IS NOT progressive on the issues at all. She's a reactionary faux progressive who changes her views depending on how the wind is blowing. Can you show us where Bernie changed his views in the last 20 years? Go for it. Meanwhile, just a few days ago, Hillary changed her views on pot. What's next? Upping her stance to $15/hr?
Sorry Dan but her biggest donors are CEOs of the biggest companies in America. It is what it is. If you think big endorsements are a thing, go ask the people of the unions what they think and you'll see that while the entity supports Hillary, the people who make up these said entities, support Bernie. The people matter MORE than the organization much as policy matters OVER party.
You're being made a Mark by buying into the whole image rebrand thing. It's marketing and advertising 101 and you're being manipulated. You may not like that but the truth is, progressives don't make remarks about bombing Iran or support a wage which isn't a living wage. Nor are they against single payer. Have you read her stances on Social Security? Go read her record on it http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm As far as union support goes, that doesn't mean someone is a progressive, it means someone is a Democrat.
Wrong. Most do care about it and that has a direct impact on how people perceive a candidate. As I cited, Hillary is underwater with how she is seen in terms of being trustworthy and if people like her. That bodes bad in a general because it equates to people just saying "meh" and NOT voting. Obama brought the fire, Hillary brings well, one that's been put out. In the Dem bubble she has some fire for sure but outside that small bubble, nope. Mark my words right now, bookmark my post. IF she is the candidate and that's a big IF right now a year out, the general will be a nail biter and it's possible Dems lose it. Mark my words as I said.
No Dan that was an attack ad on BOTH candidates. You said Bernie isn't being attacked and I clearly showed you he most certainly is. Now only that BUT he's being attacked by Dems too, specifically Clinton surrogates.
Let's take a look and see what conservative pundits are saying about Bernie shall we? Let's look at Red State http://www.redstate.com/search/Bernie+sanders and The Daily Caller https://goo.gl/Pdeg3Y
What's funny though is you cite how often cons attack Hillary but yet I'm guessing you think IF she's elected things will get done? Derp.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/claire-mccaskill-bernie-sanders_n_7662124.html
No. Images are used to illustrate my point and back up facts. I have libertarian leanings? You misconstrue my point. It's not "Libertarian leanings", it's called "common interests". No matter WHICH candidate you support, we all agree on certain issues. Greens, Dems, JP'ers, Libertarains, all agree that nobody should be able to be fired because they are black. See what I mean?
True Libertarains Dan aren't members of the GOP, they're members of the Libertarian party and I'm sorry but my girlfriend isn't crazy and I take deep offense to that remark.
Maybe you should study the other sides of the coin and actually learn. Knowledge is power after all.
Recant
Dan, Hillary's record isn't as strong as Bernie's on environmental issues. I'll cite you both KXL and TPP right now.
Also, did you stop and think that that Board Chairwoman Carol Browner, served as Environmental Protection Agency administrator under President Bill Clinton? That's how politics works. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
Let's see what the president of Earth Justice, who endorsed Bernie, has to say about the LCV endorsement.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/09/3720490/lcv-endorses-hillary/
I just showed you evidence of people crossing over to vote for Bernie. Would you like more?
Why Surprising Numbers of Republicans Have Been Voting for Bernie Sanders in Vermont
If Sanders ends up being the Democratic nominee for president, his GOP opponent is going to have a hard time beating him.
And as NPR's "Morning Edition" found out last year, some of Bernie's biggest fans are in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom, the poorest and most conservative part of the state.
If Sanders ends up being the Democratic nominee for president, his GOP opponent is going to have a hard time beating him.
And as NPR's "Morning Edition" found out last year, some of Bernie's biggest fans are in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom, the poorest and most conservative part of the state.
Sorry Dan but the facts are Bernie is getting conservative support. I don't know what else to tell you but it is what it is and to go ahead and just turn a blind eye to it says a lot.
--Corporatist! Bankster! Oligarch!
Yes, I think it's funny the way Bernie supporters throw around those words. I know that y'all are very skilled at "Six Degrees of Hillary Clinton", but outside the Bernie bubble, people recognize that she's a progressive on the issues. Hence all the endorsements from unions and LCV and her big lead among Democrats.
Yes, I think it's funny the way Bernie supporters throw around those words. I know that y'all are very skilled at "Six Degrees of Hillary Clinton", but outside the Bernie bubble, people recognize that she's a progressive on the issues. Hence all the endorsements from unions and LCV and her big lead among Democrats.
No Dan it isn't funny at all and she IS NOT progressive on the issues at all. She's a reactionary faux progressive who changes her views depending on how the wind is blowing. Can you show us where Bernie changed his views in the last 20 years? Go for it. Meanwhile, just a few days ago, Hillary changed her views on pot. What's next? Upping her stance to $15/hr?
Sorry Dan but her biggest donors are CEOs of the biggest companies in America. It is what it is. If you think big endorsements are a thing, go ask the people of the unions what they think and you'll see that while the entity supports Hillary, the people who make up these said entities, support Bernie. The people matter MORE than the organization much as policy matters OVER party.
You're being made a Mark by buying into the whole image rebrand thing. It's marketing and advertising 101 and you're being manipulated. You may not like that but the truth is, progressives don't make remarks about bombing Iran or support a wage which isn't a living wage. Nor are they against single payer. Have you read her stances on Social Security? Go read her record on it http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm As far as union support goes, that doesn't mean someone is a progressive, it means someone is a Democrat.
--Bernie was in favor of X before Hillary was.
Some people care about that, but most don't, because the understand that all humans change their minds on things over time and make mistakes. More importantly, people who will never ever vote for someone who voted for the IWR are already not supporting Hillary. Pounding this point over and over won't change anything.
Some people care about that, but most don't, because the understand that all humans change their minds on things over time and make mistakes. More importantly, people who will never ever vote for someone who voted for the IWR are already not supporting Hillary. Pounding this point over and over won't change anything.
Wrong. Most do care about it and that has a direct impact on how people perceive a candidate. As I cited, Hillary is underwater with how she is seen in terms of being trustworthy and if people like her. That bodes bad in a general because it equates to people just saying "meh" and NOT voting. Obama brought the fire, Hillary brings well, one that's been put out. In the Dem bubble she has some fire for sure but outside that small bubble, nope. Mark my words right now, bookmark my post. IF she is the candidate and that's a big IF right now a year out, the general will be a nail biter and it's possible Dems lose it. Mark my words as I said.
--Bernie polls well in GE matchups
That billboard ad was an attack against Hillary, trying to tie her to the left wing policies of Bernie. If you really think the GOP is going after Bernie the same as Hillary, you need to wake up. During the GOP debates they almost exclusively attack Hillary. During the Dem debates they ran that Benghazi ad. Hillary is the one they are afraid of, and she's the one they are attacking. And she's still standing strong. If somehow Bernie comes out with the nomination, they will pummel him into the ground.
That billboard ad was an attack against Hillary, trying to tie her to the left wing policies of Bernie. If you really think the GOP is going after Bernie the same as Hillary, you need to wake up. During the GOP debates they almost exclusively attack Hillary. During the Dem debates they ran that Benghazi ad. Hillary is the one they are afraid of, and she's the one they are attacking. And she's still standing strong. If somehow Bernie comes out with the nomination, they will pummel him into the ground.
No Dan that was an attack ad on BOTH candidates. You said Bernie isn't being attacked and I clearly showed you he most certainly is. Now only that BUT he's being attacked by Dems too, specifically Clinton surrogates.
Let's take a look and see what conservative pundits are saying about Bernie shall we? Let's look at Red State http://www.redstate.com/search/Bernie+sanders and The Daily Caller https://goo.gl/Pdeg3Y
What's funny though is you cite how often cons attack Hillary but yet I'm guessing you think IF she's elected things will get done? Derp.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/claire-mccaskill-bernie-sanders_n_7662124.html
--Bernie's going to usher in a political revolution that turns both chambers of congress blue.
It's no surprise that you have libertarian leanings. However, libertarians are a small part of the GOP, and a small part of the population. They are also crazy.
Next time leave out all the images. It clutters the conversation.
It's no surprise that you have libertarian leanings. However, libertarians are a small part of the GOP, and a small part of the population. They are also crazy.
Next time leave out all the images. It clutters the conversation.
No. Images are used to illustrate my point and back up facts. I have libertarian leanings? You misconstrue my point. It's not "Libertarian leanings", it's called "common interests". No matter WHICH candidate you support, we all agree on certain issues. Greens, Dems, JP'ers, Libertarains, all agree that nobody should be able to be fired because they are black. See what I mean?
True Libertarains Dan aren't members of the GOP, they're members of the Libertarian party and I'm sorry but my girlfriend isn't crazy and I take deep offense to that remark.
Maybe you should study the other sides of the coin and actually learn. Knowledge is power after all.
November 10, 2015
You think that's funny? Really? REALLY? It's not fucking funny at all.
She's completely sold out to special interests and I can toss you FACTS all day long it yet you Hillary supporters refuse the reality that she is. That SHOULD concern you. Why do you think she hasn't said jack shit about ditching her SuperPACs? Why do you think she's so quiet on issues? Because she has a monetary stake in many things. Let's look at actual issues shall we? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788698
If you don't think money in politics is important, go be a Republican.
Actually Dan millions DO CARE. However you're not seeing the forest through the trees here one bit.
*Iraq
*LGBT Rights like DOMA, DADT, SSM.
*KXL
*TPP
*NAFTA
*Guns
*Immigration
On and on it goes, where it stops only Hillary knows. She's a flip-flopper on just about every issue you can think of. We saw how well that worked out for Mitt Romney. This speaks of integrity & the American people aren't buying it. Why do you think Hillary is underwater in terms of how people like her and trust her?
You're incredibly wrong here Dan. Very. I myself am an Indy and the ONLY reason I'm voting for a Dem candidate is because Bernie is running. That's IT. Dems by far and large are to the right of me on many positions and I find my likeness in other areas. In fact, you may want to read this thread this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781355
Meanwhile, THIS IS HAPPENING! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/23/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders
WRONG. Completely wrong. In fact, Janie was just saying yesterday on here how Republicans are attacking Bernie left and right. If Republicans aren't running attack ads, can you describe what this is please? Thank you.
Of course they'll attack Hillary, they hate her, as much as Dems hate Sarah Palin.
And this is always a constant faux attack on Bernie but in the end, there are common issues which both sides can work on.
*NSA
*Privacy concerns
*War (Tea Party support with that one & the Rand Paul neo-Libertarain side)
*Money in politics (Tea Party support with that one & the Rand Paul neo-Libertarain side)
See, it's amazing how many issues we all have in common. My girlfriend is Libertarian and yet, her and I agree on many things. Things like LGBT rights as example, gay marriage, and even some things when it comes to immigration. (Did you know that many true Libertarains believe in open borders? I bet you didn't) That's what you a coalition to get shit done.
You know who doesn't have that? Hillary. Nobody is going to work with her and it's strictly a fantasy to think otherwise. She is the most polarizing figure in politics and it's rooted in literally decades of hate and outright disdain for her.
If you honestly think the stagnation is bad now, wait until you see what it's like IF she's wins. It's going to royally suck. Hell, Republicans are already calling for her impeachment her very day in office if she's the winner. Think about that. Stop and think.
NOTHING will get done and people will literally suffer because of it, the Govt will shut down at every chance they can get leaving millions without a paycheck. Nope.
See Dan here's the deal
Every time Hillary gets some big endorsement, we question things. Do you know why we question things? Because often, the entities which endorse Hillary actually rank Bernie higher in their own little rankings or have fought heavily for Bernie.
2 such entities are right here.
See, let me clue you inn.
When it comes down to it, in a general, Hillary is behind Bernie. We can argue until we're red in the face but she is. While Hillary is popular AMONG DEMOCRATS she sure isn't outside the bubble. Hillary doesn't garner enthusiasm outside the Dem bubble, Bernie on the other hand has cross over power and that's been demonstrated many times with how he has Republicans voting for him.
I've heard some Hillary supporters actually say "we don't want Republicans voting for our nominee!". Hey, I don't want idjits voting in the general, people like that who don't understand that you need a coalition of voters to win the White House. If people think you can win strictly because your candidate is popular among your own party, boy do they have a rude awakening come next November when Dems lose the general.
Corporatist! Bankster! Oligarch!
LOL
LOL
You think that's funny? Really? REALLY? It's not fucking funny at all.
She's completely sold out to special interests and I can toss you FACTS all day long it yet you Hillary supporters refuse the reality that she is. That SHOULD concern you. Why do you think she hasn't said jack shit about ditching her SuperPACs? Why do you think she's so quiet on issues? Because she has a monetary stake in many things. Let's look at actual issues shall we? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251788698
If you don't think money in politics is important, go be a Republican.
Bernie was in favor of X before Hillary was.
Nobody cares. What matters is who is more likely to get something accomplished about X, and that's Hillary.
Nobody cares. What matters is who is more likely to get something accomplished about X, and that's Hillary.
Actually Dan millions DO CARE. However you're not seeing the forest through the trees here one bit.
*Iraq
*LGBT Rights like DOMA, DADT, SSM.
*KXL
*TPP
*NAFTA
*Guns
*Immigration
On and on it goes, where it stops only Hillary knows. She's a flip-flopper on just about every issue you can think of. We saw how well that worked out for Mitt Romney. This speaks of integrity & the American people aren't buying it. Why do you think Hillary is underwater in terms of how people like her and trust her?
Bernie will bring out disaffected voters and independents.
There's no evidence for this (aside from meaningless anecdotes). It might be true to a small extent, but this effect will be dwarfed by people who think Bernie is too far left, and the fact that his campaign can't compete financially with the GOP.
There's no evidence for this (aside from meaningless anecdotes). It might be true to a small extent, but this effect will be dwarfed by people who think Bernie is too far left, and the fact that his campaign can't compete financially with the GOP.
You're incredibly wrong here Dan. Very. I myself am an Indy and the ONLY reason I'm voting for a Dem candidate is because Bernie is running. That's IT. Dems by far and large are to the right of me on many positions and I find my likeness in other areas. In fact, you may want to read this thread this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781355
Meanwhile, THIS IS HAPPENING! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/23/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders
Bernie polls well in GE matchups
This is because the GOP has not run any attack ads against Bernie, and are training all their fire on Hillary.
This is because the GOP has not run any attack ads against Bernie, and are training all their fire on Hillary.
WRONG. Completely wrong. In fact, Janie was just saying yesterday on here how Republicans are attacking Bernie left and right. If Republicans aren't running attack ads, can you describe what this is please? Thank you.
Of course they'll attack Hillary, they hate her, as much as Dems hate Sarah Palin.
Bernie's going to usher in a political revolution that turns both chambers of congress blue.
No he isn't. It's going to be gridlock either way.
No he isn't. It's going to be gridlock either way.
And this is always a constant faux attack on Bernie but in the end, there are common issues which both sides can work on.
*NSA
*Privacy concerns
*War (Tea Party support with that one & the Rand Paul neo-Libertarain side)
*Money in politics (Tea Party support with that one & the Rand Paul neo-Libertarain side)
See, it's amazing how many issues we all have in common. My girlfriend is Libertarian and yet, her and I agree on many things. Things like LGBT rights as example, gay marriage, and even some things when it comes to immigration. (Did you know that many true Libertarains believe in open borders? I bet you didn't) That's what you a coalition to get shit done.
You know who doesn't have that? Hillary. Nobody is going to work with her and it's strictly a fantasy to think otherwise. She is the most polarizing figure in politics and it's rooted in literally decades of hate and outright disdain for her.
If you honestly think the stagnation is bad now, wait until you see what it's like IF she's wins. It's going to royally suck. Hell, Republicans are already calling for her impeachment her very day in office if she's the winner. Think about that. Stop and think.
NOTHING will get done and people will literally suffer because of it, the Govt will shut down at every chance they can get leaving millions without a paycheck. Nope.
November 6, 2015
Party over policy!
That's what Hillary supporters are about.
Issues don't matter, they honestly don't and all they want is some Dem in office and nothing more even in despite of everything below. When confronted with facts they try and deflect with "but GUNS! Bernie and guns! He's an NRA dude!" Or the infamous "He's a socialist! He's scum!" I wasn't aware that it was suddenly 1960 all over again. It speaks volumes really between ideology of old and how we've progressed as a country. Some are stuck in the past and don't realize the issues which we face today. Sorry, but people should be able to feed their kids on a living wage at $15/hr and college students shouldn't be swimming in $100k in student loan debt.
It's time for a change, a very big change!
Bernie is more of a Dem than Hillary EVER WILL BE.
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