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Did Media Declaring Hillary Won Debate Influence Polls? -TYT
Thought this was a pretty good segment, and despite the title was actually pretty fair to both sides by the end. Worth watching through even if you might not agree with the sentiment.
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Could it be?
That the times really are a-changing? According to most of the media pundits, Hillary Clinton won last night's debate. And you know what, in the traditional sense they might be correct. She didn't make any obvious mistakes, she was firm when she needed to be, and she even got a few laughs. But what if that's not enough anymore? What if people are just tired of establishment politicians and have come to expect what Hillary delivered last night?
Hillary Clinton has been around for a long time. Everybody knows that. And at this point in her political career, so long as she doesn't make any eye popping mistakes she is considered by the media as being the prominent force in Democratic politics. But if this election cycle has proven anything it's that voters are fed up with the same old same old. Many folks, myself included, view Hillary Clinton as a relic of the past and someone who represents an old way of political thinking. And the media is tied up in that.
But what if people want something different? Bernie Sanders's campaign is no fluke. He's managed to get a quarter of the vote so far without many pundits giving him a chance. What if he doesn't need to come across as 'smooth-talking' and 'polished' like many in the media think he should? He raised over $1million last night during the debate in what might traditionally be viewed as an 'alright' performance. And despite what the pundits are saying, it appears the people viewed Sanders as the winner, though we will get a better idea of that in the days to come.
The point of this post isn't to demagogue Clinton in any way as I believe she did a pretty good job last night. Nor is it to promote Sanders, whom I openly support. I just wanted to explore whether or not people are looking for different things in a candidate than they might have in previous elections. So far that seems to be the case.
Focus-group millennials bash Donald Trump, embrace Bernie Sanders
So a subsidiary of CNN put together a focus group of millennials from swing states to discuss the candidates. Here's a few excerpts from the article and the link to the article itself.
[link:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-millennials/index.html|
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump is, in turns, an angry bomb-dropper, an emotional reactionary and an embarrassing jokester. Hillary Clinton is offensive and out of touch to some, and a return to the prosperity of the 1990's to others.
Those are some of the findings of a new focus groups of millennials commissioned by The HLN Millennials Project. HLN is a sister network of CNN. The project interviewed groups of likely voters without strong party allegiances aged between 18 and 34 -- 10 who lean toward the Republican Party and 10 who lean toward the Democratic Party -- in three swing-state cities: Columbus, Ohio, Orlando, Florida and Denver, Colorado.
The interviews reveal that these younger Americans are awaiting a Republican candidate to take on Trump, who leads all national and early state polls, and are enamored with Bernie Sanders, who is mounting a surprisingly successful campaign against Clinton.
The article goes on to say that the focus group disliked Hillary because of her association with Benghazi (Yeah...I know...), the email fiasco, and all the criticisms you typically hear about her. But look at what one of the focus group members had to say about Bernie...
The voters had much kinder words for Sanders, the Vermont insurgent who promises a "political revolution."
"I love him; he's inspired me to believe in politics once again. He's the JFK of our day coming with logic and practicality on the issues," said another Colorado Democrat.
*This* is why Bernie needs to be the Democratic nominee. He is inspiring hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of people to become involved in the political process that might otherwise not be involved. Simply put, folks are tired of establishment politics. They want someone who comes of as genuine.
More from Brock
It's getting late and I need to go to sleep so I'll just leave this here.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-ally-slams-pro-warren-effort-cynical-and-misguided
For those who don't want to read it, he basically says that political groups were helping republicans by trying to get other candidates to run against Clinton and that there's no logic in people supporting Bernie or anyone else because Hillary is a progressive. This guy is something else.
New PPP Poll has Bernie beating Republicans in NH
I'm posting this because because when Sanders was brought up in the other thread the comment was dismissed by other posters. So here's the actual numbers. Not trying to start a flame war, just trying to be fair and get information out there. People have been concerned with Sanders's ability to beat Republicans in the general election. This might help quell those fears.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NH_82615.pdf
Sanders - 46%, Bush - 38%
Sanders - 48%, Rubio - 35%
Sanders - 50%, Trump - 41%
Sanders - 47%, Walker - 39%
Sanders Favorability - 46% Favorable, 36% Unfavorable, 18% Undecided
Also worth noting that Deez Nuts takes 6% in a 3-way match up with Clinton and Trump.
From the article:
Bernie Sanders does an average of 3.5 points better than Clinton in comparable head to head match ups. Sanders does similarly to Clinton against Bush (he leads him by 8 at 46/38, she leads him by 7), and Walker (they both lead him 47/39). Against Trump and Rubio, Sanders actually fares a good deal better than Clinton. He leads Trump by 9 at 50/41, compared to Clinton's 2 point advantage, and he leads Rubio by 13 at 48/35, compared to Clinton's 8 point advantage.
Everybody needs to calm down
BLM has already apologized for what happened today. It's pretty clear there is little organization in the way the group is run, which means that a few kids do not speak for everybody else. The last thing we should be doing, and I mean the *last* thing, is to devolve into conspiracy theorists on why BLM targeted Bernie. That road leads to madness. We all need to step back, calm down, and discuss this event like rational adults.
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