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Hillary's lying or deception about Sanders positions would also upset her

particularly when Hillary and Bill have made as much money off Wall Street as (nearly?) any politician in history.

(major issue for Elizabeth Warren between 1995-2005)
Hillary stuck Elizabeth in the back on the bankruptcy bill years ago - Senator Clinton selling out to Wall Street

Bernie voted against the bankruptcy bill

Jul 17th, 2015: Liberals Roar As Bernie Sanders Joins Elizabeth Warren On Bill To Reinstate Glass-Steagall

Oct 6, 2015: Clinton dismisses reinstating Glass-Steagall

Elizabeth Warren’s Challenge to Hillary Clinton
“Let’s get real. Dodd-Frank did not end too-big-to-fail,” she (Warren) noted, correctly. What was needed was to “end it once and for all.”

“How?” she asked. “By breaking up the big banks—just break them up.”

The Clinton Team Is Writing 'Too Big To Fail' Out Of The Financial Crisis

Bernie Sanders's plan to break up the banks, explained

Warren and Clinton are not on the same page for major policies important to Warren.
Warren and Sanders are on the same page for major policies important to Warren.

I'm just going to copy that quote a third time for emphasis

“A new presidential election is upon us. ... Anyone who shrugs and claims it is too hard has crawled into bed with the billionaires who want to run this country like some private club. All of us were sent here to do our best to make government work, not just for those at the top, but to make government work for all the people. It’s time we start acting like it,” Senator Warren said.

How could she say that and endorse "pragmatic" Hillary?

If Elizabeth endorses Bernie, it would be like Ted Kennedy endorsing Barack. It would send shock waves through the media and public making folks sit up and realize what many here already know: Bernie is a legitimate candidate.


You'd think she'd learn. She stooped to this crap against Obama in 2008.

Are they the same experts who told Hillary to vote for the Iraq war?

I have absolutely no issue with the article assuming it's facts are straight

like many seem to be when it comes to the Clinton foundation. I've cross checked a few myself.

I arrived at a similar question "With Hillary anticipating running for President, this looks bad or really bad. Why would they do this?" It wasn't a one time thing. They did it again and again.

Bernie probably won't go deep down this road. But we all know what Karl Rove is going to do with it in the general election. Hillary's campaign claims Bernie hasn't been vetted. Wait until the fireworks go off when stuff like this starts to get vetted in the general.

Look on her hands

Paper cuts from depositing big stacks of new cash from Wall Street all these years

Here's the deadly problem:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

That's roughly (very roughly) 0.1% death rate. For 29,000,000, that's 29,000 dying in 2016. If Hillary gets in for 8 years, that's another 232,000 dead. 664,000 using that % died between 2001 and 2015. If we stay on this path, we're flirting with hitting 1,000,000 American dead near the end of 8 years of Hilary - all because they couldn't have healthcare.

That's a lot of people. Even if one wants to bicker over the death rate their study found and cut it in half, 500,000 Americans dead is a staggering number.

Our current pace is ten 9/11s per year because people like Hillary can't muster the will to take these jackasses on that allow these people to die on our watch.

It is a hideous disgrace!!! Bernie is right. Hillary is wrong. It needs to be stopped!

Coming from the man who got me into politics:

"George Bernard Shaw, speaking as an Irishman, summed up an approach to life, 'Other people, he said, see things and say why? But I dream things that never were and I say, why not?" John F. Kennedy, June 28th, 1963 in his speech to the Irish Government.

My biggest problem is turning our backs on people who are dying without healthcare coverage - thousands per year.

Hillary is basically saying "you go ahead and keep on dying because there's no hope for you! As president, I'm going to bury you. I'm not going to save many of you." Because under Hillary's plan, she's not going to save all of the people who are dying without healthcare. She might save some of them. To me, that's unAmerican.

Bernie's idea is that his election is only one part of the political revolution he seeks. Unlike what we did with Obama, we have to follow through and take the House and Senate. Now, if you want to sit on your hands and say "I give up. That's too hard. Or that's impossible. Can't be done." Fine. If you don't try, then for sure, it can't be done. People are dying, so I have to try.

But if things like single payer are properly sold as :
- something that saves thousands of lives every year
- something that reduces the deficit
- something that helps bring jobs back because it reduces labor costs to business
etc, it has a much better chance. To date, it's been poorly sold ignoring the dying and the bigger picture.

Fighting gerrymandering, Citizen's united, etc. Is part of Bernie's revolution. I don't know how far we'll get while Bernie is in office. But at least we're heading in the right direction. Of course, we can pick up gains for the ACA along the way until the complete goal is achieved.

I thought the United States was supposed to be the greatest country in the world. All the other advanced nations got great, universal or single payer healthcare for their people. I do not buy the notion that the US cannot. But I guess the United States has become second rate because a bunch of it's folks cower in defeat when faced with a tough challenge for the good of so many of it's people who will die without it.

The heck with Hillary. She's going nowhere special. There's no guarantee with Bernie but at least we've got a chance.

We're just two weeks away from the anniversary of her 2008 campaign manager quitting

It was preceded with these signs of it unraveling.

No way. If she's going down, she'll go down swinging

to the bitter end - like she with with Obama - long past the time when there was any realistic chance.

If they indict her and arrest her, she'd probably be campaigning from a jail cell.

There's characteristics in Hillary one might want to improve but I don't think quit is in her vocabulary.
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