If you ever voted for a Green Party candidate, or worse, donated to one....

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16. So in other words, it's impossible to even consider third parties??

This is ridiculous. Stein has brought up useful issues for many years and it took a lot of courage for her to do that over the years. I've never voted for her but I was always grateful for her courage and forthrightness. I would guess that most of the useful social changes in American society thru the years have come to a great extent thru third parties.

Hillary won by over 3M votes. If the vote counting had not been rigged in PA and WI alone thru voter suppression and outright rigging of the votes, she would easily have won. I voted for her and think she cd well have been one of our best presidents. Kerry would have won in 04 if not for the vote counting scam that Karl Rove masterminded. There's good reason to suspect that Bernie would have won the primary if the votes had been counted properly. In MA e.g. among the 3% of voters in MA whose vote was hand-counted, not counted in a computer, Sanders won by 17% pts, yet in MA as a whole Hillary won by a comfortable margin. Is this not worth thinking about and trying to remedy for future elections and not trying to demean a person who has thru the years pushed for progressive issues and brought these issues into the public space that is so much corrupted and poisoned by such as Fox News.

Why don't you focus on something that cd really alter an election like making sure people's votes for whatever candidate are properly counted and that all people who want to vote and have a right to vote can do so legally?