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tortoise1956

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108. Truly rational people identify the root causes and deal with them...

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 05:58 PM

Jul 2012

The news has reported that this cowardly sicko gave little or no indication that he was even considering such a heinous act, let alone that he was capable of carrying it out.

The only way he could have been stopped was by barring him from buying firearms and ammunition. Extrapolate that out, and the only way to do that would be to bar everybody else also. That is not only unconstitutional on its face, but an act that will have a marginal effect on criminals.

Until you come up with a magic test to determine intent to carry out these acts (a la "Minority Report&quot , you will see acts of insanity from time to time. These are not unique to our country, or even to this particular time in history, as evidenced by historical reports. Identifying and changing the conditions that induced this behavior is a much better answer than subjugating an entire populace.

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Your fear of MY guns is irrational. None have ever harmed a human or been used in a crime. [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 OP

*Stands, claps, whistles and cheers* SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #1

You have my vote! evilhime Jul 2012 #74

What's that saying about making assumptions? stopbush Jul 2012 #104

It's nothing personal. But your access is the same as Holmes's. Loudly Jul 2012 #2

Outlawing guns is not going to stop criminals from obtaining guns SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #4

That's because VA is a gun worshipping jurisdication, and is right across the river. Loudly Jul 2012 #8

Then prepare to amend the Constitution SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #9

Making guns and ammo less prevalent in society isn't really a Constitutional problem. Loudly Jul 2012 #11

The only way to make firearms scarcer SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #18

The key given in Heller is the class of weapons. Loudly Jul 2012 #22

Fair enough SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #32

When gun owners Plucketeer Jul 2012 #86

The "well regulated militia" section was judged to be an individual right michreject Jul 2012 #109

I'm all for it. Get rid of the Second Amendment. WE don't need it and there is NO OTHER CTyankee Jul 2012 #117

Really? Then how do you explain low gun crime rates in countries that DO restrict guns? n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #126

And this is the crux of the entire matter. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #6

Said like a neo-con fearmonger. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #47

And your dramatic over-reaction is typical of someone who feels threatened by any reasonable amount Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #71

Then why do I have to remove my shoes when I fly?? dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #75

I don't want this country to become Minority Report obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #58

What level of regulation is acceptable to you? Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #80

In parts of this community, one had better keep his/her weapons well-hidden, else some burglar or indepat Jul 2012 #100

Innocent until proven guilty. Ready4Change Jul 2012 #128

Clara Harris had a drivers license and had never harmed a single person with her Mercedes. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #12

Keep an eye on the prevalence of the problem. Loudly Jul 2012 #14

And cue the rationalizations... cleanhippie Jul 2012 #76

Not to mention silver dollars. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #124

Interestingly enough, more people are killed by drivers than people with guns every year. Oh shi Edweird Jul 2012 #89

Why was your text cut short? Loudly Jul 2012 #93

:) I wasn't shot, I divided by zero. Edweird Jul 2012 #96

Cars kill more people than guns. Zalatix Jul 2012 #113

no one is afraid of your heirlooms Enrique Jul 2012 #3

I doubt they realize it but... Marrah_G Jul 2012 #5

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #38

+1 obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #59

Who said anything about you? Rex Jul 2012 #7

Actually, my fear is very rational. ananda Jul 2012 #10

You're afraid of the OP in particular and you claim you're being rational? (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #51

You just stated you think the OP might shoot you obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #61

My dad sleeps with a handgun by his bed loyalsister Jul 2012 #72

Your fear is deeply rooted in ignorance and irrationality. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #79

My issue is with gun laws and what is available for sale. These laws and what is available need to SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #92

I imagine there were a number of soft drinks being consumed in the theater that night. blue neen Jul 2012 #13

i shouldn't be afraid of a stranger's lethal weapons? unblock Jul 2012 #15

No, you shouldn't. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #34

is this a typo: unblock Jul 2012 #106

Yep. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #122

+100 Myrina Jul 2012 #102

The same processes that allowed you to obtain your firearms also allowed James Holmes to obtain his. baldguy Jul 2012 #16

OP has stated he is in favor of background checks and restrictions on high capacity magazines Kaleva Jul 2012 #26

Which is the reason I rec'd it. freshwest Jul 2012 #35

I rec'd it also. Kaleva Jul 2012 #37

I don't agree with entire OPs when I rec them but if I see something is progressive I do. freshwest Jul 2012 #60

According to what Skinner told the hosts, threads like these will be allowed in GD for awhile yet Kaleva Jul 2012 #68

You're going to point out facts? Facts are going to slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #41

The Aurora killer passed all background checks Hugabear Jul 2012 #90

That's EXACTLY what you're supposed to do. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #49

I need a 5MT nuke to guard myself from my neighbors cat. baldguy Jul 2012 #91

Not enough deterrent power. Sorry. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #116

That isn't true. Heller would and (I assume did) pass background checks. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #50

And, he may be a psychopath and not mentally ill obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #67

I have had NICS and mental health checks obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #66

Truly rational people identify the root causes and deal with them... tortoise1956 Jul 2012 #108

The root cause is TOO MANY FUCKING GUNS! baldguy Jul 2012 #110

Some people enjoy life.. while others are out buying ammo. DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #17

I enjoy the HELL out of my life, even on those rare occasions when I'm buying ammo. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #23

You have replied to just about EVERY Gun thread in the last 3 days DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #27

You know what else I noticed? Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #33

I agree DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #82

Unrec... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #19

OP has stated he is in favor of sane, responsible legislation Kaleva Jul 2012 #29

He/she also thinks that the 2nd Amendment is absolute. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #63

One could say the same here for those who advocate for the banning of all semi-autos Kaleva Jul 2012 #78

Yes, I suppose one could. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #95

I think he started his OP the way he did in response... Kaleva Jul 2012 #107

Fair enough... ElboRuum Jul 2012 #120

He could have left out the first part... Kaleva Jul 2012 #121

I've never driven drunk, but I don't begrudge drunk driving laws alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #20

The proper analogy would be driver's license laws obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #69

Yeah, guns are comparable to soft drinks... YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #21

I think you are on the same page as most here, certainly I don't disagree rufus dog Jul 2012 #24

I have a second reason for wanting more gun control now... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #25

I agree. They are way to smug. Rex Jul 2012 #28

I am a responsible gun owner. Leave me the fuck alone. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #30

... pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #36

.....I'm thinking "short fuse"....... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #44

Far too many of them around...with guns pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #46

You do realize the typical NRA member thinks you're a sellout? BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #31

S/He stated they hate the NRA, as do I obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #73

Thanks for replying to one part of my post BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #83

Another gun owner here who has no respect for, or membership in, the NRA. Zalatix Jul 2012 #114

Your assumption that regulating gun ownership equates to "irrational fear of YOUR gun" shcrane71 Jul 2012 #39

**James Holmes** was a law abiding citizen, too. DevonRex Jul 2012 #40

One BIG problem: STOLEN guns number more than a hundred thousand ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #42

Yeah, now your entire gun inventory is online for everyone to see kwyjibo Jul 2012 #123

My goodness. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #43

Well said. K&R. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #45

From your cold dead hands..... lunatica Jul 2012 #48

Better question... ElboRuum Jul 2012 #55

They do rush into a defensive aggression don't they? lunatica Jul 2012 #70

My take on it... ElboRuum Jul 2012 #85

CA has a 10-day wait but leads the nation in murders. Tejas Jul 2012 #127

NO right is absolute. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #52

Yet. sadbear Jul 2012 #53

Thanks for the diatribe. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #54

Your fear of MY nuclear weapons is irrational. None have ever harmed a human or been used in a crime drm604 Jul 2012 #56

Not irrational KT2000 Jul 2012 #57

What's irrational... ElboRuum Jul 2012 #64

Ha! Considered a good neighborhood KT2000 Jul 2012 #88

No, my comment was meant as a joke. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #101

You can relax. Most people would agree with you. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #62

The Second Amendment doesn't make it a free for all. meanit Jul 2012 #65

Sorry but bec Jul 2012 #77

What if the sicko walks in with a bomb? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #105

if you aren't paranoid HankyDub Jul 2012 #81

"a paranoid gun nut who will probably go along with any NRA opposition to these things"? HUH? Zalatix Jul 2012 #118

pretending that the NRA doesn't have great power, first of all HankyDub Jul 2012 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author DrDan Jul 2012 #84

I'm with you 100%. Well said, well stated. SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #87

You'd be very wise to support SENSIBLE gun control then. ErikJ Jul 2012 #94

YOUR guns may not be a threat to anyone Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #97

Until some one breaks into your home and steals them. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #98

I DONT NEED TO WASH MY HANDS. Only other people's hands carry germs. slampoet Jul 2012 #99

Well, you could have a hundred gallons of hydrochloric acid, too... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #103

You COULD drive a car into a schoolyard and kill a bunch of kids. Zalatix Jul 2012 #119

Shaming comments do nothing to promote soccer1 Jul 2012 #111

Attacking men about the size of their genitals should be jury-bait. Zalatix Jul 2012 #112

odd, I see no evidence of irrational fear of you or your guns stupidicus Jul 2012 #115

I'm tired of trashing threads on GD. Can we get all I am a gun owner posts out of the way at once? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #125