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88. She was not a bad candidate

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:42 PM

Dec 2017

In how everyone defends her as being a good/bad candidate. We all know she advocated policies which were light years ahead in terms of practicality and promotion of the common American good. This does not make her a bad candidate.

More correctly, she was a polarizing candidate... Trump was a polarizing candidate as well...

Putin and the GOP used this in a way which thru the magic of "Big Data" analytics, Russian 'bots' to shape a willing social media, and Russian hacking leveraged the inherent weakness of the US electoral college and corrupted/hacked various and Voting infrastructure and Election processes.

The election was stolen from her and other Democrats who were running in other offices. It was done under the cover of the polarization.

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JPR folks out themselves. They dont want to believe in Russian interference because of... [View all] stevenleser Dec 2017 OP

poor things. JHan Dec 2017 #1

The JPR site is full of fake news from russian sources Gothmog Dec 2017 #2

Seems they're addicted to that shit dalton99a Dec 2017 #3

At one point the JPR site had five or six threads on the Pizzagate silliness Gothmog Dec 2017 #26

There isn't an anti-Clinton conspiracy theory they don't like NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #180

My first time reading JPR, all I can say is that it will also be my last time. FM123 Dec 2017 #12

I visit the site to see what Russia is pushing Gothmog Dec 2017 #24

Its on Prop Or Nots useful idiot list. lapucelle Dec 2017 #47

That site belongs on this list Gothmog Dec 2017 #73

LOL SunSeeker Dec 2017 #48

There were some posters there during the election that I am almost sure were Russian. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #20

There are posters on that site who are admitted russian trolls Gothmog Dec 2017 #25

Who are they? Jim Lane Dec 2017 #106

This list of fake news websites amuses me Gothmog Dec 2017 #113

So, in other words, you have zero evidence for your original assertion in #25. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #124

Do you really believe that? Gothmog Dec 2017 #126

JPR has a lawyer defending their honor for free! betsuni Dec 2017 #129

If your statement is true then JUST GIVE ME ONE GODDAM LINK Jim Lane Dec 2017 #130

Your passionate and determined defense is noted for the site that bought and spread the pizzagate Squinch Dec 2017 #142

There were five or six threads on this theory on that site Gothmog Dec 2017 #154

IIRC some of them have made similar comments about my posting on DU. (n/t) Jim Lane Dec 2017 #168

That's REALLY bizarre! They commented to you about how DU posts pushed the pizzagate Squinch Dec 2017 #175

The JPR idiots pushed a number of russian lies Gothmog Dec 2017 #200

"intellectual integrity" betsuni Dec 2017 #147

I am also amused Gothmog Dec 2017 #155

Here are just a few examples Gothmog Dec 2017 #150

Disgusting. Creepy. Sickening. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #160

And that doesnt include the misogyny. Their response to this stevenleser Dec 2017 #171

Yep Gothmog Dec 2017 #183

Jim - You are trying to stick up for a site that pushed Pizzagate as Truth stevenleser Dec 2017 #169

Just what is it you think I'm sticking up for -- SPECIFICALLY? Jim Lane Dec 2017 #211

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Dec 2017 #212

You say my claims are fake. Please QUOTE the fake claim(s) I allegedly made. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #213

Can you point to even one of your posts on this thread that is not false? Gothmog Dec 2017 #214

I quite enjoyed Fawk Em's "I'm not a Russian troll" post. Heh. betsuni Dec 2017 #215

Jim will ignore this fact Gothmog Dec 2017 #217

TOTAL reading comprehension fail Jim Lane Dec 2017 #216

Thank you for admitting and conceding that JPR is the site for Russian Trolls Gothmog Dec 2017 #219

I of course said nothing of the kind... Jim Lane Dec 2017 #221

Why are you defending Russian Trolls and people who hate Congressman John Lewis? Gothmog Dec 2017 #222

I'm still stuck on their absolute hatred of Hillary. calimary Dec 2017 #230

Putin hates Clinton and so Putin's puppets on JPR hate Clinton Gothmog Dec 2017 #238

Good point. They do follow orders well, though, don't they! calimary Dec 2017 #244

You are using the same technique Gun enthusiasts use to derail gun control discussions. stevenleser Dec 2017 #240

Thank you for recognizing that I didn't respond to the OP. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #241

JPR is on Prop Or Not's useful idiot list. N/T lapucelle Dec 2017 #185

Jim your defense of this website is sad Gothmog Dec 2017 #197

Hi Jim. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #114

I am a lawyer, correct. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #116

see post 113 sheshe2 Dec 2017 #123

See post 124 (n/t) Jim Lane Dec 2017 #125

Here is another good example Gothmog Dec 2017 #153

Clarity of Signal used to post on JPR and now Fawk em is clearly a russian troll Gothmog Dec 2017 #152

"Does anyone know Gothmog on DU's real name? I plan to sue him for libel if I can find out" progree Jan 2018 #245

How can it be libel when he goes by a screen name? tammywammy Jan 2018 #246

Good questions Gothmog Jan 2018 #250

Thanks for posting this Gothmog Jan 2018 #247

You're welcome. I thought you should know what's going on in JeeperCreeperLand n/t progree Jan 2018 #248

I check that site from time to time to see what Putin is pushing Gothmog Jan 2018 #249

I check it because I am fascinated by aberrant psychology and specious rationalizations progree Jan 2018 #251

The idiots who posts on JPR are fun to laugh at Gothmog Jan 2018 #252

"Trump Isnt Another Hitler. Hes Another Obama." progree Jan 2018 #253

Here are some examples Gothmog Dec 2017 #151

You know what the bottom line on JPR folks is Jim? Its simple... stevenleser Dec 2017 #189

What is "expertise in detecting trolls?" Cary Dec 2017 #223

Sigh. Another one who can't -- or won't -- read. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #224

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Dec 2017 #225

Notice how you change the subject to something about me? Cary Dec 2017 #226

It is not hard to notice Gothmog Dec 2017 #237

Citing the exception to the rule against hearsay should have been a clue Cary Dec 2017 #239

A couple were absolutely Russian, I know for a fact Bradical79 Dec 2017 #86

And to think so many of those whackos used to be here, trying to infect DU. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #43

Yep, the split was good IMO! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #53

Some seem to have crept back Hekate Dec 2017 #54

Some still come here radical noodle Dec 2017 #55

Many of the JPR are Trumpsters still trolling a bunch of very naive far lefties....n/m RhodeIslandOne Dec 2017 #111

I agree. saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #181

K&R mcar Dec 2017 #4

Russian interference aside, she was a bad candidate leftstreet Dec 2017 #5

Some people can't pass up any chance to attack TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #11

I'm not attacking her leftstreet Dec 2017 #77

"She wasn't a candidate who could beat Trump." LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #87

What did Sec Clinton do to counteract the Wisconsin and Michigan issues? MadDAsHell Dec 2017 #158

That has been debunked multiple times. stevenleser Dec 2017 #199

Bless your heart for trying to convince them, for the thousandth time...Cant be done Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #242

She was not a bad candidate Lithos Dec 2017 #88

Hi Lithos. It's good to see you posting here in these dark times. yardwork Dec 2017 #204

Thanks Lithos Dec 2017 #208

63 million votes is pretty good KatyMan Dec 2017 #14

actually, 65.9 million. niyad Dec 2017 #38

Too bad they changed the rules to make it an Electoral College that picks the Pres. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #82

Your logic is crap. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2017 #15

+1 KTM Dec 2017 #17

Clinton was a great candidate Takket Dec 2017 #18

Not just deplorables, apparently. Squinch Dec 2017 #81

I agree that Clinton was a great candidate but I would argue that the FBI did even more damage StevieM Dec 2017 #229

So Russia didn't interfere? Cause you wouldn't be saying this if she won you know that right? uponit7771 Dec 2017 #19

I'm confused by this for two reasons: Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #83

1. Implications they didn't interfere are implied by exclusion of mention 2. In that case there's uponit7771 Dec 2017 #95

She was a great candidate. nt Maven Dec 2017 #22

Disagree. She was not a bad candidate. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #23

She didn't take the midwest for granted. StevieM Dec 2017 #231

I don't even think that the states "moved" in any certain direction Caliman73 Dec 2017 #235

Oh please. Codeine Dec 2017 #27

It should never have been close-I have to agree with you on this one. jalan48 Dec 2017 #30

It was not "close." It took the Electoral College, Russia, hacking, collusion, voter suppression... Hekate Dec 2017 #51

And misogyny and Comeys actions nt spooky3 Dec 2017 #72

It didn't "take" the Electoral College. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #84

Apparently 228 years qualifies as "um, forever". lapucelle Dec 2017 #96

cause you don't want to recognize Russian involvement and Comey, be honest about that uponit7771 Dec 2017 #92

Sandy Hook Shooting should never have resulted in Inaction while kicking out Dreamers JI7 Dec 2017 #134

Wall Street rules and big money decides elections. Meanwhile the little folks are left out. jalan48 Dec 2017 #145

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #32

What war-mongering? Can you provide, you know, facts? Hekate Dec 2017 #46

Amazing isn't it? SunSeeker Dec 2017 #57

Just before the election I had lunch with a longtime friend who insisted HRC was a warmonger... Hekate Dec 2017 #63

Yup. The Hillary haters were--and are--totally played by the right wing. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #66

Libya shanny Dec 2017 #140

Libya what? betsuni Dec 2017 #146

Put it in context with the post I responded to. shanny Dec 2017 #157

You mean the UN authorized action in Libya that the international stevenleser Dec 2017 #173

Well spotted Hekate Dec 2017 #178

Why yes, I do mean BS regime change operations, sanctioned by the UN or not. shanny Dec 2017 #191

Blaming Hillary for Lebanese sponsored UN resolutions is insane stevenleser Dec 2017 #192

You mean in the context that you think Hillary Clinton is a warmonger 'cause OMG BENGHAZI? betsuni Dec 2017 #210

Come on. Just say it. Benghazi. We all know you want to. GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #164

Right? Benghazi and Pizza Gate. You know they believe both stevenleser Dec 2017 #174

Also well spotted Hekate Dec 2017 #179

Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #35

really? bad candidate? based on WHAT, exactly? 30 years of reichwing propaganda, niyad Dec 2017 #39

You're not wrong leftstreet Dec 2017 #75

The DNC? WTF does the DNC have to do with it? Was the DNC supposed to tell her not to run? seaglass Dec 2017 #97

You're right, sorry leftstreet Dec 2017 #103

Strange, since she WON by THREE MILLION VOTES OVER TRUMP. In any sane country... Hekate Dec 2017 #44

tRump didn't "win" Scarsdale Dec 2017 #45

She wasn't a bad candidate. Officially, she only lost by 70K votes in 3 states, and she carried the pnwmom Dec 2017 #49

I have a couple problems. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #85

I meant "real voters" as opposed to E.C. electors. Are you saying that the almost 3 million voters pnwmom Dec 2017 #94

She didn't go to Wisconsin for the same reason she didn't campaign in Minnesota. StevieM Dec 2017 #228

So when Feingold told the campaign that things were going bad and she needed to show up Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #232

You can argue that she mishandled the Comey intervention. StevieM Dec 2017 #233

WRONG. She was a terrific candidate. calimary Dec 2017 #59

Thank you for that, Calimary. It means a lot in this moment of darkness. nt Hekate Dec 2017 #64

She may not have been the best candidate, but she was the most qualified. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #61

I agree leftstreet Dec 2017 #74

True. She clearly was prepared for the job. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #90

Welcome to DU, PragmaticDem. calimary Dec 2017 #80

Thank you for the welcome! PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #89

oh look, another person easily swayed by propaganda Skittles Dec 2017 #69

She was not a bad candidate. murielm99 Dec 2017 #71

How is it bashing to say someone is a bad candidate? David__77 Dec 2017 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #117

I think its criticism. David__77 Dec 2017 #118

Goodbye. murielm99 Dec 2017 #120

Goodbye. David__77 Dec 2017 #128

You contradict yourself. Fla Dem Dec 2017 #78

No, "politics" contradicts itself leftstreet Dec 2017 #79

LOL -repeating a meme over and over again till you actually believe it. They got you shilling. bettyellen Dec 2017 #162

I notice many ppr'd DUers over there tenderfoot Dec 2017 #6

Some of them have tried to slink back in here since the election. nt Maven Dec 2017 #9

Membership at JPR should automatically Codeine Dec 2017 #29

+1000 Hekate Dec 2017 #65

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2017 #67

+1... SidDithers Dec 2017 #98

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #105

+1 Maven Dec 2017 #119

+1 revmclaren Dec 2017 #127

the owners of this site also own a hate site Mosby Dec 2017 #172

No they dont, Discussionist isnt a hate site. It is overrun with hateful people but that isnt the stevenleser Dec 2017 #187

+1000 stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #37

Yes. They have denied the RU attack because it undermines their narrative Maven Dec 2017 #7

Our own FBI, led by James Comey, launched a much bigger attack on the election and our democracy. StevieM Dec 2017 #16

Yes, Comey and the NY FBI field office also had a disastrous impact. nt Maven Dec 2017 #21

Because he was subjected to fake reports circulated by the same people. Since it was a multi- bettyellen Dec 2017 #163

They are a broken record SHRED Dec 2017 #8

I went over there out of curiosity and was appalled. MiltonBrown Dec 2017 #10

Not only that but their ignorance of our modern economy is shameful. LonePirate Dec 2017 #234

Oh Dear, Oh Dear Me. Dec 2017 #13

It's more complicated than that, but still I don't know for certain that HRC would have won... aikoaiko Dec 2017 #28

I honestly can't read anything from over there...if I can't troll the insanity then I see no point Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #31

There are numerous reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #33

Be careful there ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #41

And we must motivate voters as well. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101

!!?!? Democrats like Hillary, Republicans didn't like Roy Moore uponit7771 Dec 2017 #100

But they voted for him, just not in large enough numbers. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #102

Extremely poor comparison for obvious reasons. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #137

Your framing, and your opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #161

JackpineRadical, in his own words ... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #34

Thanks..been a while since I read that. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #42

He was a good guy. The people who stole his name to set up that site have nothing to do with him. n/ pnwmom Dec 2017 #52

An obit still available for those curious: dalton99a Dec 2017 #115

I remember Jackpine Bobbie Jo Dec 2017 #149

Why I don't post there anymore. Its a streetfight. marble falls Dec 2017 #36

they just don't give up, do they? niyad Dec 2017 #40

They are entitled to their opinions and this is NOT saying that there was NO Russian interference karynnj Dec 2017 #50

The leaked emails present a complicated case. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #139

Why are you still going over there, Steve? MineralMan Dec 2017 #56

Because we should never forget who and what they are. And if there arent regular stevenleser Dec 2017 #112

That's not why you do it melman Dec 2017 #132

Are you wearing a sparkly turban with a feather and holding an envelope to your forehead? Squinch Dec 2017 #143

I think you are doing a disservice to the great Carnac with that comparison stevenleser Dec 2017 #186

Melmack the magnificent. Squinch Dec 2017 #188

! stevenleser Dec 2017 #190

It's why I do it. betsuni Dec 2017 #148

There is nothing so discrediting as someone trying to tell someone else stevenleser Dec 2017 #167

I'm not doing that melman Dec 2017 #195

Yes you were, your attempt to explain why you were trying to tell me what I am thinking stevenleser Dec 2017 #196

I used to visit that site when DU was down post-election... mreilly Dec 2017 #177

There are all assholes ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #58

I wonder if that board makes any money off of ads, which I assume is how DU Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #60

JPR doesn't run paid ads. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #108

Dumb Is Bipartisan! (nt) ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #62

they know DAMN WELL Putin owns Trump Skittles Dec 2017 #68

heavy Russian infiltration there orangecrush Dec 2017 #70

Probably most of them are paid by Putin Progressive dog Dec 2017 #76

From what that site was SHRED Dec 2017 #91

i guess they forgot that SHE WON 3 mil more votes than he did. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #93

They're assholes and that site is a shithole... mreilly Dec 2017 #99

They love Trump and Putin workinclasszero Dec 2017 #104

Is that the crypto MRA site ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #107

lol@Hillary Derangement Syndrome.. Cha Dec 2017 #110

They got what they wanted mcar Dec 2017 #122

The brainwashing is too Cha Dec 2017 #182

They wouldn't know what to do without hatred mcar Dec 2017 #184

jPR: Russia good, America bad, Hillary Clinton (oops, I mean HER) BADBADBADBADBADBAD betsuni Dec 2017 #121

JPR seems to be a fake Democratic Party support site set up to bash Clinton UCmeNdc Dec 2017 #131

WOW, they sure went after you Raine Dec 2017 #133

Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders (pretty much anybody else) can appear as a guest on Fox News ... betsuni Dec 2017 #136

Are any of those people paid to appear as guests? shanny Dec 2017 #159

Guest means you are not paid. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and other networks are stevenleser Dec 2017 #165

I know its Hilarious, and they are too stupid to get it. stevenleser Dec 2017 #170

It doesn't make anyone stupid melman Dec 2017 #193

And you are still doing it! stevenleser Dec 2017 #194

I would hope not. I am suspicious of anyone they like. The other thing stevenleser Dec 2017 #166

LOL, consider it an honor to be on their "S" List Raine Dec 2017 #198

Numerous members there discussed how joyful is would be... NCTraveler Dec 2017 #135

I like the ones who are "beginning to think" Trump might be really bad. Squinch Dec 2017 #201

Who are "JPR folks" shanny Dec 2017 #138

Glad they've left DU PJMcK Dec 2017 #141

LOL! Look at that JPR post! It's hilarious! It's like the refrigerator magnet game with all Squinch Dec 2017 #144

They dont get how stupid they look. stevenleser Dec 2017 #176

they are heaven05 Dec 2017 #156

To this rather dense democrat GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #202

I only see two posters in the 200 defending the shitty racist misogynists, though. Squinch Dec 2017 #203

Because they, for the most part are not totally stupid GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #206

Yep, which is why a light has to be shined on them regularly stevenleser Dec 2017 #209

Hillary does not matter in this quaker bill Dec 2017 #205

I did like how Stein's first order of business was going on Fox News to gloat and piss on Hillary Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #207

Have they taken the country back yet? Scurrilous Dec 2017 #218

No Gothmog Dec 2017 #220

Surprise! duforsure Dec 2017 #227

so many of them were bern bros who left DU after Hillary received the nomination dlwickham Dec 2017 #236

I agree they have Democratic Party Derangement Syndrome LeftInTX Dec 2017 #243

jpr manny sh** stain lol XRubicon Jan 2018 #254