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pnwmom

(110,254 posts) Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:48 PM Jul 2012

Maybe there should be a reporting requirement for people who suspect or know clearly disturbed [View all]

individuals own or are collecting guns, with confidentiality offered to the reporter.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/22/4648754/police-colo-suspect-planned-massacre.html#storylink=cpy

The owner of a gun range told the AP that Holmes applied to join the club last month but never became a member because of his behavior and a "bizarre" message on his voice mail.

He emailed an application to join the Lead Valley Range in Byers on June 25 in which he said he was not a user of illegal drugs or a convicted felon, said owner Glenn Rotkovich. When Rotkovich called to invite him to a mandatory orientation the following week, he said he heard a message on Holmes' voice mail that was "bizarre - guttural, freakish at best."

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Maybe there should be a reporting requirement for people who suspect or know clearly disturbed [View all] pnwmom Jul 2012 OP

People should do it SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #1

We have a reporting requirement for child molesters. pnwmom Jul 2012 #2

I can't imagine anyone not reporting child molestation SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #6

How about owners of gun clubs, gun stores, and other professionals pnwmom Jul 2012 #7

Based on a voicemail or an e-mail signature? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #9

Why not based on a crazy voicemail? pnwmom Jul 2012 #13

In the story I read, he wasn't banned from the club SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #18

There's obviously more than one story, and more than one interpretation. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #97

How many college guys have doofy voicemails? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #22

But why would these "business" people turn in their best customer? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #38

Unless they are priests or football coaches, of course. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #105

Or the Soviet Union. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #5

So, what would be your workable suggestions? blue neen Jul 2012 #23

You mean other than dropping the dime on someone who mentions guns on a street corner? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #35

The OP made a suggestion, not an out and out black and white statement. blue neen Jul 2012 #45

And can you imagine how people would report others as a joke or maybe out of meanness of JDPriestly Jul 2012 #101

What would be the difference in Colorado, since it prohibits registration and has no permits frazzled Jul 2012 #3

A person can be committed involuntarily for a period of psychiatric examination pnwmom Jul 2012 #10

Hindsight is 20/20 SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #12

Why wouldn't that depend on what the voice message SAID? pnwmom Jul 2012 #15

I guess if he said SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #20

Yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #27

The range owner had nothing to report hiom for obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #28

Colorado has a NCIS check, a State check, and a mental health check obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #26

But that doesn't preclude him from having been showing signs of a disturbance pnwmom Jul 2012 #112

Amen. I keep thinking about his parents. isuphighyeah Jul 2012 #4

They probably knew he was troubled. They probably BEGGED for help for years. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #8

If the gun club guy who rejected him had also reported him, pnwmom Jul 2012 #11

LOL. A garbled message on an answering machine isn't remotely kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #14

Depends on the court. I know someone who was involuntarily committed pnwmom Jul 2012 #17

It is VERY VERY DIFFICULT obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #33

Too early to tell. I bet there turns out to be a history. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #94

There isn't, or he couldn't have bought the handguns obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #107

He didn't reject him at all -- the article doesn't say that obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #31

The alarming voicemail message in combination with the application to the gun club pnwmom Jul 2012 #57

It's only "alarming" if you don't deal with males of that age group. LisaL Jul 2012 #58

It was alarming enough to the club owner, who does deal with males of that age group, pnwmom Jul 2012 #60

He didn't ban him. LisaL Jul 2012 #62

Yes he did, according to the article. Here: pnwmom Jul 2012 #64

Eventually, because Mr. Holmes never responded to his messages. LisaL Jul 2012 #66

That is your interpretation. The point is that the voicemail message pnwmom Jul 2012 #68

I've already linked to another article SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #73

So? He could have said different things in different interviews. pnwmom Jul 2012 #75

In combination, it's obvious he never met with Holmes, and Holmes never responded to his LisaL Jul 2012 #79

Detroit News: "Rotkovich said he told his employees Holmes was not allowed on the premises." pnwmom Jul 2012 #95

I've posted the link in three different places on this thread SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #82

Not only the owner never met him, Holmes never called him back despite 3 messages left on his LisaL Jul 2012 #83

And yet, according to the Detroit News, the owner says he banned him from the premises. pnwmom Jul 2012 #98

It doesn't matter whether he met Holmes. He made the decision, eventually, pnwmom Jul 2012 #96

Alarming? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #59

No, the article said the employees were instructed not to accept him. Here: pnwmom Jul 2012 #63

I said the article I read SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #71

Reported him for what? LisaL Jul 2012 #44

For whatever he said or did that alarmed the club owner enough to ban him. pnwmom Jul 2012 #65

Another article that quotes the owner SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #74

What other article? pnwmom Jul 2012 #77

That's my point. People seem to think that you call the authorities kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #90

Reported him to WHO? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #51

We should. That's part of the point that I'm making. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #69

He wasn't rejected n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #53

Yes, he was. Why do people keep insisting this? pnwmom Jul 2012 #67

Because another article contradicts what the article you're using claims SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #76

That doesn't contradict the article I posted. pnwmom Jul 2012 #78

Yeah right SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #85

Because the owner himself said he wasn't rejected obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #86

So true. blue neen Jul 2012 #19

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that this was the case. LisaL Jul 2012 #47

The parents and the University have clammed up. pnwmom Jul 2012 #70

The gun club owner didn't ban him obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #87

From the Detroit News: "Rotkovich said he told his employees Holmes was not allowed on the premises. pnwmom Jul 2012 #93

There was absolutely nothing to suggest that my mom was psychotic kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #91

What were they supposed to alert on? LisaL Jul 2012 #49

Which "someone" would they call? oldhippie Jul 2012 #110

I'd have to report every repuke! L0oniX Jul 2012 #16

What you are saying is hype and not true. blue neen Jul 2012 #21

What ever ...so what ...I didn't add the sarcasm tag. L0oniX Jul 2012 #24

Whatever...so what...and just not necessary. blue neen Jul 2012 #29

Net nanny much? L0oniX Jul 2012 #32

(I giggled) obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #34

The victims and their families aren't laughing now. blue neen Jul 2012 #41

I really don't understand why you are so hostile to a joke about the GOP obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #54

How did you know? blue neen Jul 2012 #40

Maybe you should alert on me if you are so upset. L0oniX Jul 2012 #42

I'm not upset. blue neen Jul 2012 #48

Thanks for the advise to alert on myself. L0oniX Jul 2012 #52

I think this is treading in extremely dangerous territory obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #25

Yup. woo me with science Jul 2012 #30

Indeed obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #36

Democrats would be reporting Republicans and Republicans reporting Democrats. former9thward Jul 2012 #37

I am sure that woudl work out well. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #39

I love that smilie! obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #55

I'm not big on using smilies but sometimes you just have to give in. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #103

Over what? LisaL Jul 2012 #43

DHS Report Suspicious Activity jody Jul 2012 #46

And then what? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #50

That is already being "suggested" by some authorities. TouchOfGray Jul 2012 #56

A garbled voice message is not suspicious SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #61

It didn't say "garbled." pnwmom Jul 2012 #72

Well, I'll post this for the fourth time since you keep insisting he was banned SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #80

He didn't say it in the LATimes article, but he didn't exclude it as having happened LATER. pnwmom Jul 2012 #84

Sorry, but I"m not buying that SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #88

"Rotkovich said he told his employees Holmes was not allowed on the premises." pnwmom Jul 2012 #92

There was no subsequent behavior because Holmes never responded to his messages LisaL Jul 2012 #81

That would include about half my neighborhood NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #89

What could possibly go wrong? HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #99

Assault rifles, easily available to crazy people: what could possibly go wrong? nt pnwmom Jul 2012 #100

Assault rifles are NOT easily available to people obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #106

It used to be harder when the Assault Weapons Ban was still in effect. pnwmom Jul 2012 #111

I see no way in which this would be abused Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #102

Oh that will get really stupid real quick, MadHound Jul 2012 #104

I know of one who has the potential to be an extreme mass murderer. Zorra Jul 2012 #108

Yeah, let's give the Religious Right the power to report 'suspected disturbed individuals' to cops. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #109