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Lonestarblue

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50. Also thinking of moving.

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:26 PM

Dec 2017

I have been giving more and more thought to moving to Europe myself. I hate what is happening to our country, and it is not all about Trump. The Republican Party is totally corrupt and will do anything to stay in power—and I do mean anything, legal or not. The right-wng evangelicals are out to establish their brand of religion as a requirement to be a citizen, and on the way to that goal they’ll sacrifice rights for women, gays, and minorities. Fox News and hate radio, plus any number of white supremacist sites, are poisoning the minds of the gullible who now think that white people are the most downtrodden souls in this country. And, to top it off, you can’t go out in public without some idiot hauling his gun around. I’m just tired of all the hatred, the anger, the fake religion, and the racism that seem to get worse day by day. Add the idiot in the White House and the Republican scum in Congress in the mix, and we have a bubbling cauldron of toxic waste. I apologize for being such a downer, but I really can’t stand the idea of continuing to live here through the rest of a Trump presidency. If Mueller does not bring him down and he is not impeached, I will be pcking up to move.

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American Brit moved back to London. "Trump is a logical result of your culture." [View all] jodymarie aimee Dec 2017 OP

Difficult for me to refute this sentiment.nm Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #1

i can explain it. trump is the logical result of ignoring right wing talk radio for 30 yrs certainot Dec 2017 #142

We allow vicious lies in the name of "Freedom of the Press" and we allow our (former) politicians/ Dustlawyer Dec 2017 #146

a lot on left fall for that rw talking point about freedom of speech bullshit applied to a classic certainot Dec 2017 #157

I agree that the Dems have done a piss poor job at counter sttack whathehell Dec 2017 #169

I'm so sorry janterry Dec 2017 #2

You do many things well. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #26

Yes we do whathehell Dec 2017 #75

Wish I could go with her. zentrum Dec 2017 #84

I wish you could too whathehell Dec 2017 #91

Maybe, but we are currently the winnas in decline. nt Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #96

Says you.. whathehell Dec 2017 #120

Yep. Sez you. I beg to differ. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #121

Merry Christmas,! whathehell Dec 2017 #124

Happy holidays,! (typo included) Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #126

I'd call it a zentrum Dec 2017 #139

Perhaps zentrum Dec 2017 #141

Perhaps whathehell Dec 2017 #148

I was merely responding zentrum Dec 2017 #171

Of course you were.. whathehell Dec 2017 #172

You might ask youself why civilization is in decline. defacto7 Dec 2017 #103

Lol..am I supposed to respond whathehell Dec 2017 #119

Um. Grammar police. You find the error. nt. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #122

Um, how about I don't? whathehell Dec 2017 #127

Your choice, your prob. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #128

Seems to be more your "prob" than mine whathehell Dec 2017 #131

Yep. nt. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #123

Have you ever lived in Europe? Sophia4 Dec 2017 #136

Yes I have.. whathehell Dec 2017 #137

It is about values. What value do we put on a human life that does not have an Doodley Dec 2017 #155

Wish I could move to London from the US. OliverQ Dec 2017 #3

Oh my.. whathehell Dec 2017 #92

Yikes ! Reading this will be most discouraging virgogal Dec 2017 #4

Harsh, but largely true. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #5

All true - from one born and raised here. TryLogic Dec 2017 #36

Bullshit..from one also "born and raised here". whathehell Dec 2017 #93

Well, Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #102

Ah yes the old love it or leave it. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #110

So your alternative is? whathehell Dec 2017 #118

The OP says what I feel. nt. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #125

Well, bless your heart whathehell Dec 2017 #129

What does patriotism mean to you? Doodley Dec 2017 #152

the door might be open NJCher Dec 2017 #147

Such is life.. whathehell Dec 2017 #168

Ha, not really treestar Dec 2017 #161

Largely biased, I'd say. whathehell Dec 2017 #74

I'd take the royal family over the Republican party any day. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #76

Never heard of the Tories, Lol? whathehell Dec 2017 #79

I'd take them over the Republicans too. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #83

There's more upward mobility zentrum Dec 2017 #85

.. Only since quite recently, and even now, only by a small margin. whathehell Dec 2017 #87

I wouldn't. Jake Stern Dec 2017 #90

The monarch wields no actual power. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #101

First it's not about who actually wields power Jake Stern Dec 2017 #111

I didn't say there was a point to it, Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #117

Oh my goodness. cwydro Dec 2017 #138

The real equivalent is the Tories treestar Dec 2017 #163

Yes, I thought, what about Brexit? treestar Dec 2017 #162

And when you look at TPTB Trump crowd, it extends far beyond Trump. There are many basically RKP5637 Dec 2017 #6

Yes. This is true about our culture nm AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #7

My response: A lot of us know this, and are similarly embarrassed, ashamed, and dismayed. Aristus Dec 2017 #8

I remember many, many years ago PatSeg Dec 2017 #51

And it's not even an accurate quote. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #97

Yes PatSeg Dec 2017 #144

Sad, but true. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #9

If only dear Mari had a clue, saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #10

Mari is going back to reasonably-structured healthcare. Demit Dec 2017 #12

That is subject to cuts and the constant threat of cuts by whathehell Dec 2017 #82

Constant threat, yeah, I know. In the meantime they have it don't they? Demit Dec 2017 #100

Exactly...It's surprising how "plutocratic" Jolly Olde has become whathehell Dec 2017 #45

Thank you for bringing some balance to the subject whathehell Dec 2017 #134

I cant blame Mari at all. MrScorpio Dec 2017 #11

I can whathehell Dec 2017 #71

Ouch! Heartstrings Dec 2017 #13

What doesnt make sense to me is spooky3 Dec 2017 #14

It's still in the US. Mariana Dec 2017 #18

No question (although MA has its own health care system), spooky3 Dec 2017 #46

It's just an opinion piece. Mariana Dec 2017 #67

I've mentioned it before Kogaratsu72 Dec 2017 #77

Trump himself said, "the American Dream is dead" world wide wally Dec 2017 #15

Yes indeed. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #30

This ought to be a poster or something. nt. raccoon Dec 2017 #70

We Would Do Well to Listen to Mari Leith Dec 2017 #16

I would have to agree with her. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #17

Lol...I doubt you'd enjoy Austria now ..It's gone to the Right. whathehell Dec 2017 #49

Yep, Austria is not a step up now. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #59

Correct. n/t. whathehell Dec 2017 #61

What about Brexit. nycbos Dec 2017 #19

nycbos, bingo saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #48

Truly. Not much high ground here. My partner has duel Alice11111 Dec 2017 #54

Of course.. Mentioned by me in a post up thread. whathehell Dec 2017 #56

We agree again. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #58

True, but not new... paleotn Dec 2017 #20

UK enid602 Dec 2017 #21

Foreign intervention wouldn't have worked if the soil had not already been fertile. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #24

Talent enid602 Dec 2017 #40

Absolutely spot on analysis of American society. procon Dec 2017 #22

Looking south from Ottawa, I agree with her. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #23

"selling itself to itself" struck a chord with me as well yonder Dec 2017 #88

I saw a bumper sticker on a truck this morning mnhtnbb Dec 2017 #25

The future is going smack these morons very hard and very soon. roamer65 Dec 2017 #39

Also thinking of moving. Lonestarblue Dec 2017 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #113

Funny thing his wife is probably the type to hate on "Moozlems" Jake Stern Dec 2017 #176

The damage done seals the deal StarzGuy Dec 2017 #27

Sorry for your disability . I feel the same way. I'm retired and trying to live on less than 800.00 geretogo Dec 2017 #35

Most Americans don't care about the Common Good anymore! Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #28

You mean like the Majority that voted Clinton instead of Trump? whathehell Dec 2017 #62

Merry Christmas! Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #68

Happy New Year! whathehell Dec 2017 #69

This reminds me of X-Files episode last year "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were-Monster" underpants Dec 2017 #29

Yes, because her superior Brit culture resulted in citizens voting to leave whathehell Dec 2017 #31

They still have single-payer health care, old chap. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #34

..and an outdated mentally mediocre Monarchy still payed up the nose for whathehell Dec 2017 #37

I'd trade DJT for Queen Elizabeth II in a New York minute The_jackalope Dec 2017 #38

Lol.. That's unfortunate since we can throw DJT out, but the Royals are forever whathehell Dec 2017 #41

The only way DJT won't remain a benign burden is.. mdbl Dec 2017 #98

Being thrown out of office might work too whathehell Dec 2017 #130

Even if you consider the Royal family a waste of money... potone Dec 2017 #158

Lol.. whathehell Dec 2017 #167

Absolutely true . geretogo Dec 2017 #32

Happy Holidays, Mari mountain grammy Dec 2017 #33

we are still learning how to be a country samnsara Dec 2017 #42

Yes. Absolutely yes Saboburns Dec 2017 #43

Thanks for giving us a try bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #44

So, let me get this straight - Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #47

i agree with you onetexan Dec 2017 #53

We're the whole zero sum thing or whatever writ large. Ligyron Dec 2017 #52

Beautiful place Concord. Home to Walden Pond and some very nice people. CentralMass Dec 2017 #55

I picture Trump and family (GOP) as bad renters tavernier Dec 2017 #57

No, Donald Trump is NOT a logical result of American culture ollie10 Dec 2017 #60

Our values are fucked up. No question. Yavin4 Dec 2017 #63

Contrasted to the absolutely sterling ones of other countries? whathehell Dec 2017 #72

I've been to other countries Yavin4 Dec 2017 #78

Likely not as many as I have.. whathehell Dec 2017 #80

Most of the rest of the world supports families more. yardwork Dec 2017 #145

Most of what is being defined as "America" here, is really whathehell Dec 2017 #173

Couldn't agree more. shanny Dec 2017 #64

Who wrote this? melman Dec 2017 #65

I love living here in BC! Fiendish Thingy Dec 2017 #66

She doesn't say why she came here...I'd guess it was a marriage whathehell Dec 2017 #73

Well, Britain has its own problems, with Brexit etc.! LeftishBrit Dec 2017 #81

Are OP jodymarie aimee and Mari the same person? Why the third-person subject line? VOX Dec 2017 #86

Fine, but two words for you: Teresa. May. regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #89

OP: I cant say Quemado Dec 2017 #94

So very well said. Without much of an outside viewpoint, BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #95

Well said. Dual citizenship has its advantages. Best of luck. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #99

Spot on. mudstump Dec 2017 #104

She's right. Sadly. Wish I could afford to move to Great Britain. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #105

It's embarrassing... mudstump Dec 2017 #106

Ironically, it's usually Americans who have never been outside of this country. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #133

Hear hear! defacto7 Dec 2017 #107

How about Barack Obama? Also a logical result of our culture? n/t sl8 Dec 2017 #108

As the French say, the difference between America and Yogurt, Xipe Totec Dec 2017 #109

That's an ignorant statement, imo. Visit any American city, and they'll be full of culture! Oneironaut Dec 2017 #156

Little Miss Brexit/UKIP likes prancing on her high horse, doesn't she?? Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #112

Sad but true Pepsidog Dec 2017 #114

Americas dirty secret exposed Pepsidog Dec 2017 #115

It is a little depressing to read this and realize old guy Dec 2017 #116

I'm wondering where are country has gone, and where it's going. You are so right. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #132

I completely agree and have felt it coming cilla4progress Dec 2017 #135

I'll ask again melman Dec 2017 #140

It doesn't matter, as that is the sentiment of millions. Doodley Dec 2017 #154

It definitely does matter melman Dec 2017 #175

Shes right. alarimer Dec 2017 #143

This American disease arises periodically, but this particular strain of it started ... Persondem Dec 2017 #149

Partially true, I think. lark Dec 2017 #150

So she moves back to a country that worships Kings and Queens. former9thward Dec 2017 #151

I think Americans are more into royalty than the Brits. Doodley Dec 2017 #153

Do you really believe the British "worship" kings and queens? Demit Dec 2017 #164

Its a sick culture we fought a revolution against. former9thward Dec 2017 #170

I agree this Presidency is a crime and therefore should logically be Enoki33 Dec 2017 #159

Don't forget Hillary won the popular vote treestar Dec 2017 #160

The Palin family Turbineguy Dec 2017 #165

I blame this country for allowing Hate Radio and Hate Network Fox News yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #166

So what was Obama? whathehell Dec 2017 #174

I was born here and if I had the money would blow out of Dodge in a heartbeat, all is lost even if FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #177