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114. I don't take as fact...

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 05:13 PM

Dec 2017

.... Anything that any source puts out until it is proven. I have opinions, which are completely different than accepting as fact something coming from an anonymous source. You and I both know that there is a possibility that the anonymous sources any journalist listens to is lying. You can't say something is a fact because you work for Politico etcetera because an anonymous source told you so.
What would have happened if Moore had won in Alabama? He would have been a United States Senator, and it is somewhat unlikely that the Republicans would have expelled him from the Senate. He wins. He is a senator. A man who, as you say, is a hundred times worse than Al Franken's situation, but Franken was forced to resign by his own party for dubiously questionable accusations from dubiously questionable accusers. The quest for a democratic spine has suffered a huge setback because of the ouster of the one Democrat who actually had one.

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" It's my right as an entertainer." [View all] quickesst Dec 2017 OP

That caught my eye also NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #1

Franken is a better Senator and a better person than Gillibrand. kiri Dec 2017 #159

That's a bit harsh. Sen Gillibrand has her own strengths and Ninsianna Dec 2017 #199

Franken himself stated he never said it and never would. Bluepinky Dec 2017 #2

Like I said.... quickesst Dec 2017 #29

I've wondered the same thing Phoenix61 Dec 2017 #3

The more I play the scene in my head... quickesst Dec 2017 #24

The phrase that stuck with me, the first one he uttered, was: Vinca Dec 2017 #4

I probably would have said something... quickesst Dec 2017 #37

You're right jl_theprofessor Dec 2017 #74

A republican ratfuck. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #5

I still want to know the REAL reason/reasons so many dems called for him to resign. pangaia Dec 2017 #6

The REAL reason is RandomAccess Dec 2017 #7

Yes I think you're right. All they could think about was the Moore moment and trying flamingdem Dec 2017 #9

The female gender is not devoid Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #35

Yep green917 Dec 2017 #86

But they're saying the same thing about Moore; 7962 Dec 2017 #68

That makes sense....Thank you. So-- my next question then would be.. pangaia Dec 2017 #11

a lot of pols don't think. They follow the money and certain MSM opinion sources yurbud Dec 2017 #14

So the answer is.. the obvious one... pangaia Dec 2017 #16

more than Republicans but the exact number is in the double digits at most yurbud Dec 2017 #193

A person cannot be deemed credible quickesst Dec 2017 #23

True that.... pangaia Dec 2017 #52

I wish I knew. The one thing I can add -- not as an explanation, but RandomAccess Dec 2017 #117

I missed probably all of the media coverage.. pangaia Dec 2017 #146

they take the MSM WAY too fucking seriously, partly because they grew up in an era when it yurbud Dec 2017 #13

I am just too freakin' naive... pangaia Dec 2017 #19

How we think politics get done and how it actually does are universes apart. yurbud Dec 2017 #145

You know, I actually 'know' all that, and still... pangaia Dec 2017 #148

I agree with Howard Zinn who said with the Democrats we have a tiny ledge to stand on yurbud Dec 2017 #192

Expertly this! green917 Dec 2017 #87

The unabashed truth LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #26

IMNSHO - there has been real talk of AF running as the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. Hestia Dec 2017 #189

Here is my take on that point quickesst Dec 2017 #18

Then, we need more Horatio Hornblowers. pangaia Dec 2017 #20

It upset me Alliepoo Dec 2017 #39

I suppose we can hope.... quickesst Dec 2017 #47

One would think 'they' learned this ages ago. pangaia Dec 2017 #94

Unfortunately... quickesst Dec 2017 #108

It is ALL going to get even uglier because that is who and what republicans are. pangaia Dec 2017 #54

Even worse, many Dems quit. As one person Alice11111 Dec 2017 #64

because he's a strong progressive green917 Dec 2017 #84

I am so naive I never would have believed that. pangaia Dec 2017 #97

Lots of so called progressives had their eye on his seat for one of the Revolution bettyellen Dec 2017 #113

Is this humor? delisen Dec 2017 #178

Some progressives were eyeing his Senate seat. Same people who didnt help in Alabama... bettyellen Dec 2017 #112

Selfrighteousness, Grandstanding , aren't we so Pure ......... JI7 Dec 2017 #153

Me?? pangaia Dec 2017 #155

no, the reason why democrats called for him to resign JI7 Dec 2017 #156

Oopps, sorry. pangaia Dec 2017 #158

You have a good point RandomAccess Dec 2017 #8

+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #17

A talented writer saying a line that would sound more natural coming from... yurbud Dec 2017 #10

I cannot imagine him even... 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #12

That sounds like something tRump would say and probably has. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2017 #15

I thought that line was written by greymattermom Dec 2017 #22

"When you're a celebrity, they let you do it." subterranean Dec 2017 #44

That was the point of the qoute - to sound like something trumpft said Merlot Dec 2017 #182

he asked for and was denied KT2000 Dec 2017 #21

I's like to believe there was some sort of conspiracy forcing the Dems to stab and twist the knife RVN VET71 Dec 2017 #28

I'm afraid you are right KT2000 Dec 2017 #56

Did you notice MacKasey Dec 2017 #25

I'm pretty sure they had a few... quickesst Dec 2017 #27

The ones they had were lame and getting lamer treestar Dec 2017 #169

There is another question.... quickesst Dec 2017 #173

And I read at least some of the dems telling him to quit pangaia Dec 2017 #99

Those words are sheer projection pandr32 Dec 2017 #30

This was what did it for me too. Rocky888 Dec 2017 #31

He needs to go to NY, like Hillary, and run for the Senate. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #61

I live in NY and I would work for him in a New York minute. pangaia Dec 2017 #101

!!! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #185

What really grates me is knowing that LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #32

I would have loved for that anonymous accuser to REALLY come forward Demit Dec 2017 #33

there's no doubt .... WomanWhoRoars Dec 2017 #34

I sure hope so. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #170

K & R! Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #36

"Left is Best" JDC Dec 2017 #38

"It's their tell" quickesst Dec 2017 #40

Like "Bernie Bernstein of WaPo" Danascot Dec 2017 #138

Heh heh... quickesst Dec 2017 #141

It was an hysterical rush to judgment. jalan48 Dec 2017 #41

!!! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #46

This accuser has a right wing radio talk show. Yeah. No agenda there. Lint Head Dec 2017 #42

It makes me weep that the Senate threw out our best Alice11111 Dec 2017 #45

The search for a spine... quickesst Dec 2017 #98

I agree. Thanks for your post! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #43

Thanks quickesst Dec 2017 #51

Yeah, but there needs to an effort to restore trust & credibility. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #55

Definitely. tavernier Dec 2017 #100

"Democratic Party" and " brilliant strategy" don't go together. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #175

Sadly, I agree. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #187

Great analogy!! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #186

I don't understand how you can be so certain mythology Dec 2017 #48

I'll give you your due... quickesst Dec 2017 #58

If you're going to object to being called on your timing error.... moriah Dec 2017 #197

Is it look a little closer quickesst Dec 2017 #201

You weren't going to acknowledge the error to that poster and said so... moriah Dec 2017 #203

Really? quickesst Dec 2017 #205

I certainly hope not... moriah Dec 2017 #206

Ok quickesst Dec 2017 #210

If it doesnt make sense, it usually is not true. Judge Judy spooky3 Dec 2017 #49

I know. I do not post a lot either., but this nonsense makes me sick. Tipperary Dec 2017 #50

IMO, the problem was all about Gillibrand trying to decide if she should run for her current seat or CK_John Dec 2017 #53

Email him or write a letter. I did & I know not much can be done but I also wrote my 2 senators lunasun Dec 2017 #57

Good for you quickesst Dec 2017 #63

KnR Hekate Dec 2017 #59

The accusation is bull**** GaryCnf Dec 2017 #60

Here, here Butterflylady Dec 2017 #62

Lets review the facts: this reading is entirely wrong Casprings Dec 2017 #65

No, puhleeze give US a break. Take a breather, come up for air. Due process. Facing one's accusers.. marble falls Dec 2017 #71

So the argument is, its not true.. Casprings Dec 2017 #78

The argument is that those things you claim to believe in YOU want to throw out the window.... marble falls Dec 2017 #81

I certainly will Casprings Dec 2017 #90

But you do know Al Franken, right? You do know at least the unnamed accusers, right? Shame on you... marble falls Dec 2017 #111

Ok quickesst Dec 2017 #80

Holy fu... Casprings Dec 2017 #83

All bow to the Almighty "fu" quickesst Dec 2017 #91

Roy Moore should be in Jail Casprings Dec 2017 #93

Uh-huh quickesst Dec 2017 #105

If you dont beleive the Politico story Casprings Dec 2017 #107

I don't take as fact... quickesst Dec 2017 #114

And I would still not beleive Moore should be there Casprings Dec 2017 #120

Don't know what you're talking about quickesst Dec 2017 #129

There, their, they're. Calm yourself. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #126

If you get an email from a Nigerian prince BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #127

Nonsense. mn9driver Dec 2017 #85

You are screaming the woman is lying.. Casprings Dec 2017 #88

Screaming? Not me. mn9driver Dec 2017 #89

Roy Moore said she was lying Casprings Dec 2017 #92

Roy Moore said they were all lying. mn9driver Dec 2017 #96

One.. Casprings Dec 2017 #102

Its your own link. mn9driver Dec 2017 #118

It still does not mean this is true Casprings Dec 2017 #119

None so blind as the willfully blind. Give it a rest, will you? marble falls Dec 2017 #124

How Weakly Convenient! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #109

I mean if this thread shows anything, it shows that there Casprings Dec 2017 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #116

Ibid! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #135

We don't know Politico's vetting standards. Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #143

Why would being a Democratic staffer a good reason for staying anonymous? Demit Dec 2017 #147

Oh yeah... this thread clearly shows the support she would get . NT Casprings Dec 2017 #150

"I might get skeptical comments on a message board! I fear for my life!" Demit Dec 2017 #162

If you dont think physical harm and threats would be a real possiablity, Casprings Dec 2017 #163

Still not a justification for taking Anonymous accusations so seriously uponit7771 Dec 2017 #180

Franken would have embarrassed Trump in '20. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #66

Bingo quickesst Dec 2017 #70

Al would have been Trump's worst nightmare IluvPitties Dec 2017 #72

He would have made.... quickesst Dec 2017 #76

2 all thread participants quickesst Dec 2017 #67

You are literally blaming the women NT Casprings Dec 2017 #77

And you... quickesst Dec 2017 #82

I blame the woman who started the ball rolling... desi Dec 2017 #95

And if that was the end of it, I would have huge questions also Casprings Dec 2017 #103

OK desi Dec 2017 #106

I think she is lying idahoblue Dec 2017 #69

I think you're right quickesst Dec 2017 #73

i agree... samnsara Dec 2017 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author CK_John Dec 2017 #79

Me too!!! blue cat Dec 2017 #104

I'm with you! RoBear Dec 2017 #115

It reminds me of the B-movie.... quickesst Dec 2017 #137

Since day one, never passed the smell test cp Dec 2017 #121

Thanks quickesst Dec 2017 #130

I'm very angry about what happened... mudstump Dec 2017 #122

I know... quickesst Dec 2017 #131

+1000, that is the stupid person's paraphrase of "when you're a star, they let R B Garr Dec 2017 #123

If a dumb person said that... quickesst Dec 2017 #132

Though I was sure Franken was being set up, PatSeg Dec 2017 #125

Creative thinking.... quickesst Dec 2017 #133

What convinced me wryter2000 Dec 2017 #128

Maybe it was the challenge... quickesst Dec 2017 #134

Riiiiight wryter2000 Dec 2017 #204

I agree catrose Dec 2017 #136

I don't believe... quickesst Dec 2017 #139

Thank you so much, quickesst! catrose Dec 2017 #144

Your welcome.... quickesst Dec 2017 #151

yeah, there's that condition... catrose Dec 2017 #154

He would never say that riverwalker Dec 2017 #140

Yeah.... quickesst Dec 2017 #142

You are right. I followed him for DECADES. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #149

I think he had the republicons scared shittless... quickesst Dec 2017 #152

this thread is getting too long for me to read tonight orleans Dec 2017 #157

Hell... quickesst Dec 2017 #160

agree! n/t orleans Dec 2017 #191

Bingo. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #165

I'll believe this whole metoo movement is real and not yet another tool of the Patriarchy, when... Hugin Dec 2017 #161

Bill OReilly and Roger Ailes NT Casprings Dec 2017 #164

They had enabling bosses and if anything, what is occurring now is retribution for their ousters. nt Hugin Dec 2017 #167

Its the same reporting team from the NYTs Casprings Dec 2017 #168

I get what you're saying quickesst Dec 2017 #171

Amputation is an excellent metaphor. Hugin Dec 2017 #174

Yep quickesst Dec 2017 #179

Character assassination has been a main Modus Operandi of TPTB since at least... Hugin Dec 2017 #184

Have you ever noticed how many Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #166

Yes quickesst Dec 2017 #176

That's the script they've been given. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #195

The dems really fucked this one up. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #172

Agree quickesst Dec 2017 #181

It would be so wrong to say that but I dont believe he said that OU65802 Dec 2017 #177

His response to that accusation quickesst Dec 2017 #183

I believe that they Faux pas Dec 2017 #188

I can't say with certainty... quickesst Dec 2017 #190

"And you women will be thinking, "What can I wear that will please Al Franken?" sl8 Dec 2017 #194

I don't quite know what to say here quickesst Dec 2017 #196

I'm not sure what to make of people who don't understand kcr Dec 2017 #208

I agree the line was idiotic, but he wasn't a Senator then. moriah Dec 2017 #198

Date and status error... quickesst Dec 2017 #202

As much chance he said that as Russia sweeping every Olympic medal Awsi Dooger Dec 2017 #200

That, and the anonymous accuser on Huffpo was a member of a feminist choir. kcr Dec 2017 #207

and FUCK the comrades, er, political hit job apologists on DU Skittles Dec 2017 #209

Ok quickesst Dec 2017 #211