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NNadir

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5. My grandfather slapped one of my aunts when she was a girl for talking to an Italian boy.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 01:35 PM
Dec 2017

She married a full blooded Italian when she grew up, as did two of her sisters and many, many, many of her nieces and nephews.

I married the daughter of a first generation Italian.

I gave my sons their mother's Italian last name, a beautiful name, much more honorable than my own.

None of my sisters-in-law, all half Italian, are bigots. They have their faults, but they are not bigots. I personally don't know any bigots of Italian extraction, although truth be told, I knew some when I was growing up, which was a long time ago.

There is no ethnic group in the American melting pot in which bigotry is acceptable, not Irish, not Italian, not African American, not Jews, Slavs, Arabic, Native American, no one.

After all we are not "Germans" or "Irish" or "Chinese." We are Americans, brought together in the most ethnically diverse country in the world.

The great strength of the United States is that we have had the honor of incorporating the best and brightest and bravest from all cultures all around the world. This may be eroded under the temporary dictatorship of the ignorant, bigoted and lazy, the last gasps of the Republican party, but I believe because of our strength and cultural richness we will restore decency to our country in short order.

A democrat, a very decent democrat who has led an honorable life was elected to the Senate from Alabama of all places after all, a democrat who prosecuted the criminals in a great historical hate crime.

This awful experience of the orange idiot and his puerile Ayn Rand worshipping collaborators will have a silver lining, inasmuch as the reaction to these cretins will be to reaffirm and expand decency in this country. This process is just beginning, but it will get there.

I have faith.

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It's a national tradition... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #1
Too bad the original settlers weren't really given a chance to be bigoted... erronis Dec 2017 #20
It happens in almost every immigrant group. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #2
On assimilation NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #10
I feel your pain ** Seeing people like Paul Ryan, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #3
I know, what is it with Irish-Americans? Ryan, McConnell, Mulvaney, O'Reilly, Hannity, Bannon, smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #38
Ugh, I forgot about those. If it weren't for the Kennedys, Patrick Moynihan, where would we be? MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #47
I wouldn't count Moynihan as a good guy. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #59
Forgot about that MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #64
Moynihan did not call for "benign neglect" of poverty. Far from it. ucrdem Dec 2017 #73
Good point ! Wash. state Desk Jet Dec 2017 #75
Oh please. It's not "RW conspiracy" to make critical comments about a long-dead Democratic figure. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #90
No, it's not okay to swiftboat dead Dems for sport. ucrdem Dec 2017 #91
It's not swiftboating when he said it and when he knew what it would lead to: Ken Burch Dec 2017 #93
Repeating a distortion doesn't make it true. ucrdem Dec 2017 #96
Moynihan clearly had to have known that Nixon would use his words for that purpose. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #105
1970 was nearly 50 years ago, before Watergate and Nixon's resignation. ucrdem Dec 2017 #109
This doesn't relate to Watergate, however. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #112
If that "older, politically involved African-American person" is Cornel West, ucrdem Dec 2017 #114
I didn't SAY Obama commented on Moynihan or his Report. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #115
As it turns out, Barack defends the Moynihan report in The Audacity of Hope: ucrdem Dec 2017 #116
So many strawmen. I never SAID Obama attacked the Report. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #117
You said you were following in his "tradition." It turns out you're not. ucrdem Dec 2017 #118
Obama did not endorse MOST of the Report's conclusions. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #119
There's no factual basis whatsoever for such a claim. nt ucrdem Dec 2017 #121
Voters care about what we stand for and who we are in the present. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #122
Don't forget Pat Buchanan and Joseph McCarthy. muntrv Dec 2017 #86
My great grandparents also both came from Ireland Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #56
3 of my grandparents were born in Ireland and immigrated here. All were staunch Democrats. FSogol Dec 2017 #63
My great grandparents came from Ireland separately, she as a little girl and he as a young man Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #65
This Is An Important Observation..... Laxman Dec 2017 #4
Let me tell you a family story louis c Dec 2017 #6
I swear to you... WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2017 #23
Morta was the game louis c Dec 2017 #33
OMG! Yes! WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2017 #61
Beautifully Said! itcfish Dec 2017 #8
Thank you, Laxman - that's a great message for all of us. You have a good heritage! erronis Dec 2017 #18
Praises to your grandfather MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #30
Good on your Cha Dec 2017 #40
God bless your grandfather. Catherine Vincent Dec 2017 #106
My grandfather slapped one of my aunts when she was a girl for talking to an Italian boy. NNadir Dec 2017 #5
I have 100 Cousins, Aunts and Uncles, and I'd say more than half are bigots louis c Dec 2017 #7
Well, thank you for objecting to it. NNadir Dec 2017 #16
I'm All In, Louis! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #9
Well said CanonRay Dec 2017 #11
Anti-italian is cool here on DU. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #12
Be glad. That means fewer tourists in Italy. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #24
Scalia was a pig, but attacking him for his ethnicity Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #28
We don't travel much now. But we spent a summer camping in a tent Sophia4 Dec 2017 #32
I am not Italian, but I find this thread offensive. Substitute any other ethnicity in the title. Tipperary Dec 2017 #50
This shit and the mafia reference are all over the pkace Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #51
Puhleaze! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #74
Speak for yourself. And the Sons of Italy Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #82
The sons of Italy that's tied to the Colombo Crime Family? tenderfoot Dec 2017 #101
I suggest you delete that slur. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #120
I loved Italy bdamomma Dec 2017 #31
Thank you for pointing that out MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #34
A lot of the blame has to go to the media from papers to TV to radio to films. Now it is the same Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #35
I've been on DU for Years itcfish Dec 2017 #44
In the left corner of an op Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #49
Thank you! itcfish Dec 2017 #123
That's a most creative allegation. I'd use nothing but anecdotal evidence as well LanternWaste Dec 2017 #94
Go back and read all of the mafia references to Scarramucci Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #95
You must enjoy the Columbus Day posts... tenderfoot Dec 2017 #99
You say we " Forgot where we came from" Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #100
Italy was part of Spain in Columbus' day tenderfoot Dec 2017 #102
No it wasn't. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #103
Bigotry is very durable gratuitous Dec 2017 #13
Growing up in NYC, there was a huge, unfair backlash against Italian immigrants after WWII. George II Dec 2017 #14
I cannot rec this enough!!!! paleotn Dec 2017 #15
I like Italians MFM008 Dec 2017 #17
Actually, I just can't abide bigots. louis c Dec 2017 #66
I feel the same way when I see others of Irish ancestry saying bigoted things. TeamPooka Dec 2017 #19
Yes. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #22
I think of that too dflprincess Dec 2017 #113
Same for anyone of Irish descent. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #21
K&R bdamomma Dec 2017 #25
Hear hear ! Well said! mountain grammy Dec 2017 #26
Scott Baio, Antonio Sabato Jr., Dan Bongino, Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #27
This is why I hate 23 and me Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #29
It's cool for running through Promethase, provided you aren't a hypochondriac. moriah Dec 2017 #43
I can see that commercial kcr Dec 2017 #69
Thanks for that thought. Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #97
I love when it ruins the lives of bigots IronLionZion Dec 2017 #88
I worked in political campaigns.... Orange Free State Dec 2017 #36
Give an immigrant group just three generations here and they will have assimilated and forgotten... Hekate Dec 2017 #37
"Wop" has nothing to do with papers. Igel Dec 2017 #39
very interesting Piasladic Dec 2017 #111
Excellent UTUSN Dec 2017 #41
My sister and her husband got my parents one of those geneology kits for Christmas, among smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #42
Eritrea, Ethiopia etc etc JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #46
It's very possible that we have such heritage considering that they were smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #48
Do you know what town/city she was from? JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #54
I am not sure of the exact town, but I know it was around Naples. My Grandfather was smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #55
My family was from Cosenza MountCleaners Dec 2017 #98
tutto a posto! JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #45
You are right, but the worst horror is against the original inhabitants of this land Motley13 Dec 2017 #52
I'm Italian born and raised and an Italian citizen WilmywoodNCparalegal Dec 2017 #53
Just curious flamingdem Dec 2017 #58
Just a guess, and sorry to crash in but off hand I'd say Bologna. The city is home to appalachiablue Dec 2017 #67
I think the term WOP goes back a bit further to about the 1890s bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #57
Rising up by stepping on the heads of others just baffles me IronLionZion Dec 2017 #60
Not necessarily a thing of the past. cab67 Dec 2017 #62
Or second generation Mexican. Pauldg47 Dec 2017 #68
Tigerr58 Tiger58 Dec 2017 #70
My grandmother Carmen was first generation stopwastingmymoney Dec 2017 #71
Sometimes the oppressed become the oppressors Lady_Chat Dec 2017 #72
I couldn't agree more nightwing1240 Dec 2017 #76
Frank Capra included Italian bigotry in "It's A Wonderful Life". no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #77
Actually, this was best expressed in a comedy film over 30 years ago DFW Dec 2017 #78
Thank you shenmue Dec 2017 #79
Historically, Italian experiments in republican governments had a huge influence on America Bucky Dec 2017 #80
Yes They Did..... Laxman Dec 2017 #83
Kinda faded with each generation of Italian-Americans louis c Dec 2017 #84
Merely Symptomatic Of The Overall Decline..... Laxman Dec 2017 #85
I agree (NT) louis c Dec 2017 #92
I am a first generation American.. Danmel Dec 2017 #81
My paternal grand father LittleGirl Dec 2017 #87
But when enough different types of immigrants assimilate IronLionZion Dec 2017 #89
Growing up in the Pittsburgh area in the 50s and 60s I remember hearing older people speak doc03 Dec 2017 #104
It broke my father's heart JCinNYC Dec 2017 #107
I'm an Irishman born in the Philly suburbs in 1955, and... MarianJack Dec 2017 #108
Here's a great article on the topic...A Letter To Italian Americans tenderfoot Dec 2017 #110
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