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phantom power

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:21 PM Jul 2012

The Conservative Onion [View all]

The other thing that I think needs clarification is that it’s wrong to think of conservatives as having a single argument for their preferred policies. What they offer instead is more like an onion, with layers inside layers; every time you strip away one excuse there’s another one inside.

Thus someone like Paul Ryan starts by claiming to be a deficit hawk. Push him really hard, however, on why in that case he advocates big tax cuts, and he’ll shift to arguing that big government (as opposed to not-paid-for government) is the real problem. (That’s also what happened in my UK debate on Newsnight.) But if you push hard on that, it turns out that there’s yet another layer: the claim that things like taxing the rich to help pay for social insurance are immoral, because people have a right to keep the wealth they created — which is why suggesting that no plutocrat is an island is heresy.

This onion structure is why you should never believe reasonable-sounding conservatives who say that you’re attacking a straw man, that “nobody believes” that wealth creators owe nothing to society. Oh yes they do — it’s usually hidden inside a couple of more socially acceptable excuses, but at their core Ryan and people like him believe that they’re characters in Atlas Shrugged.

By the way, who built the roads in Galt’s Gulch?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/the-conservative-onion/
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The Conservative Onion [View all] phantom power Jul 2012 OP
I thought you meant there was a conservative version of The Onion Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #1
I thought the same thing. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2012 #3
How would they do it? HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #4
You read my mind. Marie Marie Jul 2012 #5
All Onion, all the time ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #6
More like an Escher onion or mobius strip - when you think you are at the center, you NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #2
well said phantom power Jul 2012 #7
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