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DFW

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4. I know, but..........

Wed Dec 27, 2017, 05:46 PM

Dec 2017

I will never forget what happened, and I am not ashamed of my resentment. If we all keep silent, they will think they were all knights in shining armor for what they did to Al Franken. I called no one's office to tell them off when it happened, but I will not stand for being pressured. They can call me after the primaries, and I will be there for them.

As for pushy fundraisers, I can't STAND them. Gabby Giffords has been a personal friend since before she was shot, and I contribute regularly to her and Mark's gun control movement, but once they had some incredibly pushy guy call me up from a San Francisco number trying to get me to double my yearly contribution. He wouldn't take no for an answer, so he, too get a click for an answer. There are right ways to go about this and wrong ways to go about this. I am confident (though have no statistical proof) that insufferable pushiness is one of the wrong ways.

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Well, I just told my first fundraising call for a Democrat to f*** off. Hated to, but...... [View all] DFW Dec 2017 OP

Some things are better kept to one's self. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #1

I know, but.......... DFW Dec 2017 #4

I think it's awful to use DU's bandwidth to essentially suppress enthusiasm in a critical midterm. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #7

Agree with you 100% Tarheel SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #11

"I will support and vote for all Dems that have a chance to win a seat". Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #16

I do not see DFW's post as "part of a faction trying to increase the divide within the party." pangaia Dec 2017 #43

This isn't about a "pushy fundraiser", and you & I both know it. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #96

Oh. Well, then, Mr/Ms Dem, uh.. well, er, carry on sir, madam. pangaia Dec 2017 #98

I see it as part of a faction that will increase the divide with the party. Just read the post...you Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #188

But why even bring this up? Does it help our efforts or perhaps the opposite? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #111

Hardly my intent DFW Dec 2017 #14

Who are you gonna support in the primary?? Does she have a democratic opponent?? boston bean Dec 2017 #62

How in the world am I supposed to know at this point DFW Dec 2017 #68

You say you will support once primaries over and you seem rather intelligent so lets cut to the boston bean Dec 2017 #70

That would be my guess DFW Dec 2017 #73

So, in essence you would have contributed to her re-election when she runs against a republican. boston bean Dec 2017 #74

I WILL support a Democrat in the general election DFW Dec 2017 #77

Tammy wont have a democratic primary challenge. boston bean Dec 2017 #78

That's a solid-gold bottom line for the general. :) Hortensis Dec 2017 #132

I wasn't even looking to the 2020 presidential primary DFW Dec 2017 #133

Are you sure you understand what you call a fiasco? Hortensis Dec 2017 #141

Well in all likelihood the GOP will pick off a challenger and we lose the seat...doesn't make sense. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #164

Agreed . Her losing her seat is not going to "show her" Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #46

I am so sick and tired of the Sarandon types trying to "teach us a lesson". It doesn't hurt them... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #97

Extreme righteous intolerance of what others want Hortensis Dec 2017 #129

I couldn't agree more. I know liberals in my personal life, and the selfish foot stomping shit.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #147

:) Couldn't agree more. Hortensis Dec 2017 #160

100%, Tarheel. Very well said. Hortensis Dec 2017 #127

+1000. nt ecstatic Dec 2017 #193

ME and MOST of my friends no longer just send our monies to .... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #36

I'm with you, DFW. Our local blood bank used to be staffed by nice retired ladies ... Hekate Dec 2017 #80

For me, I was interested to hear DFW. trof Dec 2017 #35

Good for you. You did exactly the right thing. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #2

I will support every one of them--AFTER they win their primaries DFW Dec 2017 #6

+++ Thanks... pangaia Dec 2017 #44

I hear ya. old guy Dec 2017 #58

Primary challengers who win primaries in states like Wisconsin often lose the general. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #112

"It makes me wonder what the purpose of this OP is." Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #151

Yep...didn't they learn anything from 16? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #174

And we may lose seats because of the primaries but I am sure a Repuke will be better than Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #165

Nor will I give a dime........ ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2017 #3

"The DSCC is going to be hurting in 2018." Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #9

Agreed. Big picture. CurtEastPoint Dec 2017 #10

Oh I'm not at ALL surprised at beating up Democrats NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #24

You've got it all wrong dansolo Dec 2017 #52

you don't see your own purity...if you attack Democrats because they did something you didn't like.. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #175

It's getting harder and harder to distinguish between allies and enemies these days. nt Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #95

They always find a reason to bash Democrats...no one could be angrier with what went on with Franken Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #170

A lot of it is a cry for attention NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #186

True that...and I would swear that some spouting this...were on the other side a few weeks ago. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #189

I will vote for Democrats as always tymorial Dec 2017 #31

"However I cannot and will not support the notion that punishment without investigation ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #41

+1. Completely agree. n/t FSogol Dec 2017 #144

Me too...this is truly disgraceful. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #166

You know I am pissed about Al Franken. But I will support any Democrat for his or her re-election... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #113

I will vote for Democrats....... ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2017 #115

well I am sure if we fail to take a majority, your Minnesota Dems will be well better than nothing. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #167

I think Al Franken would have been unhappy with you. boston bean Dec 2017 #5

You're probably right DFW Dec 2017 #8

I think this entire temper tantrum about Franken is going to harm democrats more than help. boston bean Dec 2017 #12

Principle vs. Pragmatism DFW Dec 2017 #15

Tammy Baldwin is a fine democrat. boston bean Dec 2017 #18

Then send her some money ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #20

Alright. boston bean Dec 2017 #61

principle vs pragmatism Part II SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #19

"Voting for" and "shelling out a requested $500 to" are two very different things. nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #25

No argument with that SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #32

Telling some one to eff off and politely declining are two very different things. boston bean Dec 2017 #59

It sounds like it was their decision to stay on the phone to argue about it. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #87

I agree totally treestar Dec 2017 #137

Principle v. Pragmatism is what gave us Donald Trump onenote Dec 2017 #107

Principle won in 2016 too supposedly...all those principled people who couldn't vote for Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #168

Ask Al Franken about who harmed him. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #53

Perhaps senate democrats should have thought of that dflprincess Dec 2017 #90

It wasn't the Franken supporters who started the tantrums Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #118

But to be fair I have seen no...let's say Gillibrand supporter advocate helping to elect repukes... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #176

I completely disagree on the money. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #180

Give money to the Democratic party if you want a majority. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #181

I agree that any D is far far better than an R Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #185

Well we can agree on that anyway...have a happy new year. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #190

You can donate how you choose...however electing individuals with no thought towards Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #201

You are right, but apparently adding another Senate seat Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #202

That is what the GOP plan was and how could anyone fall for it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #171

It is our right and our obligation to support rainin Dec 2017 #13

Wow, elect GOP types why that will show them for sure...sarcasm. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #172

Did you read my comment carefully? rainin Dec 2017 #195

Sorry in this environment...a sitting Democrat should not be primaried...and the idea that a Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #199

I don't understand why supporting a primary challenger is punishing the party. rainin Dec 2017 #205

Donors are not cows to be milked twice a day dembotoz Dec 2017 #17

If past performance is any indication DFW Dec 2017 #21

What a reasonable post. Our elected will not always please us 100%, but come on...are we to Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #173

Oh look-you've been accused of throwing a "temper tantrum" flotsam Dec 2017 #22

K&R ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #23

Russia wins this round. :( nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #26

LAWD. Here we go again. underthematrix Dec 2017 #27

I doubt that Al Franken would appreciate your demonstrating support for him in this manner. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #28

GOOD POINT Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #81

Good point ... nt Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #105

True, he was the one who decided to resign treestar Dec 2017 #138

100% correct. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #153

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #29

Just hang up. left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #30

I have an idea, pretend you are in a cafe in Germany in 1920 and Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #33

If one could see Hitler and what he would do after 1933 in 1920... ck4829 Dec 2017 #49

Are you suggesting that Tammy Duckworth's Dem primary challenger is Hitler? Gore1FL Dec 2017 #88

Tammy Duckworth is a Senator. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #114

I stand corrected. My point, however, remains unchanged. nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #125

Primary challengers which could cause us to lose seats and lost the opportunity for a majority in Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #116

So did you give your $500 to Duckworth? Gore1FL Dec 2017 #124

People are allowed to do a great deal of stupid shit...but if we don't get back to the business of Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #154

It's never a dumb move to participate in politics. nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #155

That is where you are wrong...all those fucking Stein morons get a participation trophy and so do Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #177

And if they didn't vote how would things be better? Gore1FL Dec 2017 #214

They should have voted for Hillary... for everyone who turned out to vote for Stein...she Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #215

If they voted for Hillary, that would have been great. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #217

The original post referred to Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin who has a very tough fight to Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #212

Bravo. nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #213

Thanks, Always interesting to talk to you...I don't agree about Greens but we agree more than Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #216

Let's defeat Trump and the GOP in 18 and 20, indeed! nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #218

Yes we can...fired up and ready to go. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #220

Then you are part of the problem. Egnever Dec 2017 #206

I have the solution...the problem is those who refuse to vote for Democrats...and incumbents have an Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #211

Dear god where did that come from Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #142

Your post is where it came from. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #148

I mean...you can only vote for the 'pure' and we won't send money or help to 38 Senators Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #178

I heard Cokie Roberts on weeekend show saying how if the Democrats want Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #184

You are right...we need to be Democrats...the big tent...there have always been differing views Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #191

I am suggesting that any primary opponent...risks the seat and this is not the year for primary Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #150

So donate to her. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #156

Not the point...shouldn't have to donate for a primary...should be able to donate for the general... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #161

Democracy is so much easier if you just silence people, isn't it? nt Gore1FL Dec 2017 #162

Democracy won't exist if we don't start winning elections...and those attacking Democrats perhaps Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #182

Nader didn't stop Gore from winning FL. The SCOTUS did. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #197

Yes he did...there would be no need for SCOTUS had the asshat Nader not run..and the same can be Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #198

Perhaps Gore should have reached out to the Greens, too. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #203

Fuck the Greens who need to change their name as they have caused massive environmental damage Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #204

I relate. ananda Dec 2017 #34

I tend to agree with OP, but aeromanKC Dec 2017 #37

i NEVER give over the phone.. i tell them that and if they persist i hang up.. samnsara Dec 2017 #38

I feel the same way. We need to protect Democrats. Not support running them out of elected office... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #39

Wisconsinite here - going to cut her some slack elfin Dec 2017 #40

I agree elfin! lkinwi Dec 2017 #82

Bravo, DFW! cp Dec 2017 #42

Just more dems sabotaging the dems chances in 2018 Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #45

I happen to know DFW personally--my husband and I have met and talked with him. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #92

No offense to you but youre a biased source his actions say otherwise Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #104

Really...interesting but not relevant...we are discussing a post. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Dec 2017 #47

Yes, because dividing up Democrats will lead to certain victory in Putins satellite state. VOX Dec 2017 #48

Party Before Anything Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #106

welcome to du. niyad Dec 2017 #157

Divide and Conquer is the GOP s favorite strategy McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #50

I don't blame you, DFW. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #51

Cool story bro XRubicon Dec 2017 #54

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAA!!! Plucketeer Dec 2017 #55

Looks like some Dems will not be happy until more senators are lost in protest. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #56

I hope you didn't tell the person, who is probably a volunteer to f**k off literaly, because if you still_one Dec 2017 #57

Obviously I used no such language DFW Dec 2017 #64

So it wasnt really about Franken at all?? boston bean Dec 2017 #66

My disinterest in contributing was definitely related to Franken DFW Dec 2017 #69

So, it wasnt the amount. It was Franken. And you didnt like the guy who asked. boston bean Dec 2017 #72

Give it a rest DFW Dec 2017 #75

So you wont support 38 dem senators. Ok. I think that is just really a really bad way to support boston bean Dec 2017 #76

I have no doubt the poster will support Tammy Baldwain or any Democrat against the still_one Dec 2017 #84

He did say he'd support them, just not in primaries. n/t Beartracks Dec 2017 #99

good. I understand the sentiment, but am glad you didn't take it out on the person answering the still_one Dec 2017 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #60

Right. Because it is morally correct to fuck up Democrats who have disappointed us... GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #63

Nope. We must continue to slit oir own throats. Putin is laughing his ass off. Just how dumb are boston bean Dec 2017 #65

I am sure they would take the $500 from you instead of the OP if you called them. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #89

Boom ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #93

I think it was the Baldwin campaign, wasnt it? spooky3 Dec 2017 #126

Either way. Gore1FL Dec 2017 #134

Exactly BB Evergreen Emerald Dec 2017 #130

Putin laughs a lot at many of the things we do, not just in fundraising ck4829 Dec 2017 #143

Hopefully 16 taught us we can't just run a candidate with a D Egnever Dec 2017 #208

From what I read here, not much. GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #210

Good for you! Raine Dec 2017 #67

If she loses the primary which many here seem ok with... GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #71

I would not primary any sitting Democrat because of Franken. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #163

K and r! cwydro Dec 2017 #79

I'm with you DFW! Va Lefty Dec 2017 #85

I have hung up on pushy callers myself Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #86

Thanks to Senate Democrats dflprincess Dec 2017 #91

The fact that you came here to tell us suggests that you didn't "hate" telling them off... brooklynite Dec 2017 #94

Gods, you people. DFW is a respected member of DU and active Democrat. He received the equivalent... Hekate Dec 2017 #100

Thank you! I get so freakin tired of the same bullshit over and over... Raster Dec 2017 #103

If I had received this call I would have said I don't respond to phone solicitation and hung up brooklynite Dec 2017 #122

Sure you wouldn't have come here to talk about it. Because we're not a community al all, right? Hekate Dec 2017 #152

+1 spooky3 Dec 2017 #128

+2 SixString Dec 2017 #131

Definitely sounds like someone needs to find treestar Dec 2017 #139

For the next 11 months, we have to be very careful about what we post online ecstatic Dec 2017 #194

You should hate to. f*** off is a bit overboard. tirebiter Dec 2017 #101

purity in primaries usually results in losses onenote Dec 2017 #108

Exactly, how many people will take that before they quit volunteering? FSogol Dec 2017 #145

Believe me, not all are volunteers Hekate Dec 2017 #149

I'm stunned that you're getting so much grief on this thread. aikoaiko Dec 2017 #102

I would consider this a playbook on how not win an election. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #187

Of course DFW is a minority -- s/he actually donates to Democratic candidates. aikoaiko Dec 2017 #192

I don't give to those who call..I give directly to the DNC and individuals...I have no problem with Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #200

The important thing is that you hated telling someone to fuck off. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #109

Cool story. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #110

My husband got a call from the Dems and he said nope, no$$ cuz of Franken nadine_mn Dec 2017 #117

So your goal is to "teach em a lesson" by helping them to lose? brooklynite Dec 2017 #121

I'm in Minnesota so check yourself nadine_mn Dec 2017 #123

But who is the primary candidate? treestar Dec 2017 #140

Oh almost forgot...your first 'fundraising call' ...how many do you generally tell to fuck off? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #119

First I'll just say.... quickesst Dec 2017 #120

Tammy Baldwin has a BIG repuke target on her chest Greybnk48 Dec 2017 #135

Can you figure out who to call treestar Dec 2017 #136

REC, I'm with you all the way. Every chance to show those who railroaded Franken R B Garr Dec 2017 #146

And electing Republicans is what the GOP hoped their bullshit would do... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #169

GOOD for you!! niyad Dec 2017 #158

I hope you did not really say Eff off to the guy. That seems a bit much. Tipperary Dec 2017 #159

DFW saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #179

The comments on this thread are amazing. rainin Dec 2017 #196

Nah it's two people Egnever Dec 2017 #207

Yes! I couldn't agree more. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #209

A friend who is a senate staffer says the hostility is unbelievable Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #219

Must be nice. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #221