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Ms. Toad

(38,895 posts)
30. Pardon me while I pick my old and decrepit jaw off of the floor.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

You actually need to sit down and talk with some of us "old" people.

I see a lot more younger people who have compromised values for expediency - at least as you seem to be defining expediency in your text. It is largely the younger generations I see demanding no compromise on values (i.e. 5 saved isn't good enough - we have to save them all), and the older generations who are more realistic and urging compromise where compromise will save 5 people (as opposed to demanding that we make the Republicans own this tax bill by refusing to support bills that will minimize the consequences on programs that impact people's lives (like the pay-go cuts that are likely to hit Medicare, for example).

I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with my 20-something daughter (and her peers), in which they insist that everyone should just be paid a living wage, or have access to healthcare, and who have absolutely no clue how long my generation has been working on it to get wholly inadequate ACA - which, even though wholly inadequate is the most progress that has been made in generations. Had we rejected it (as many of the younger purists did because making saving 5 wasn't good enough, we needed to save everyone), there are millions of people who would not now have access to any health care until it was too late. (Granted, there are many more who still need access - but millions have been saved by compromising values - not for expediency - but for the goal of doing the best we can now to save as many as we can, acknowledging that social progress comes with disappointment and setbacks because we aren't going to get the perfect bill, and saving some now is better than saving none while demanding the perfect.)

As for 60 being old - I dare you to keep up with my schedule. I am currently working 80-100 hours a week, implementing newer technology in my teaching methodology to suit the needs of the current generation of students (whose use of technology is vastly different than my generation (none) or even the generation I first started teaching nearly 4 decades ago. I don't plan to retire for another decade.

Finally, I agree with the OP. We need to start grooming the younger generation, largely because there will be a vacuum of leadership if the younger generations of progressives are not moving into positions of power and influence, because the older generations don't want to let go (and because there continues to be a personality cult around certain persons and families). If that happens on our side, state-wide and national positions will be filled with the likes of Trump. That's not ageist. That's just the reality that no one lives forever, and it takes time to learn political leadership. We're cutting off our noses to spite our face if we continue to elect only older people and don't apprentice and support younger progressives into the roles, there will be a gap when there is none.

Your comment, on the other hand, was extremely ageist. It categorized entire generations as having a single perspective, and suggested tossing them over becuase of it. In case you can't tell, pisses me off - and I have engaged in some ageist categorizing partly to make my point.

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The irony is thick. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #1
I agree with him totally. Time for the old ones to step aside, they've had their shraby Dec 2017 #2
I agree janterry Dec 2017 #3
"our effort and failures have really laid the groundwork" loyalsister Dec 2017 #46
They should focus on coaching young people, Blue_true Dec 2017 #13
From "they:" drop dead yourself, Shraby. Hortensis Dec 2017 #35
I'm 75 years of age and I think it's time the younger generation shraby Dec 2017 #36
First Democratic federal candidate in 2018 is 33 crazycatlady Dec 2017 #54
step aside? how bout this? let young people work for it and earn it, like everybody else. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #53
Yup many of the folks in the Senate have been there for decades Egnever Dec 2017 #55
Through the DEMOCRATS WE ELECTED, we gave America what Hortensis Dec 2017 #64
Totally agree with him Kilgore Dec 2017 #4
Time for GenX to move into play here Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #5
I think he's right. Va Lefty Dec 2017 #6
I think we may have 20 candidates running. And they will be from all age groups. StevieM Dec 2017 #7
I'm 70 and on three Democratic committees. I have seen batons passed to the young'uns, and... TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #8
I totally and wholeheartedly agree. Time for new, younger blood. Golden Raisin Dec 2017 #9
I was thinking he was going to make a very different point. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #10
I look at the sixties generation and wonder about what they really accomplished. Blue_true Dec 2017 #14
I think you're exactly right. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #24
In my opinion, the REAL problem is Fox News alarimer Dec 2017 #65
.... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #27
I'm tired of the generational finger-pointing anyway. LisaM Dec 2017 #29
Yes! loyalsister Dec 2017 #47
And dont get me wrong... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #49
I agree loyalsister Dec 2017 #50
And thank you for Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #58
Howard Dean didn't lose in 2004 because he got excited on TV NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #11
The Very Definition of "Ageism" The River Dec 2017 #12
My problem with old people is that most have compromise values for expediency. Blue_true Dec 2017 #15
Pardon me while I pick my old and decrepit jaw off of the floor. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #30
You don't seem to be the type of old person that I was referring to. Blue_true Dec 2017 #33
Keep your prejudices, don't get shook, Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #41
I am not getting through. No use to keep trying. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #42
You're not getting through, becuase you insist you are not ageist Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #48
It's all subordinated. Igel Dec 2017 #16
Retirement is a wonderful thing. GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #18
I agree. Treat people as individuals. spooky3 Dec 2017 #26
Well, LWolf Dec 2017 #17
I don't know what denigration of Millenials you're talking about. The ones that didn't vote? maxsolomon Dec 2017 #21
Kamala looks like a great candidate....for a different time awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #28
well, we'll see. it's a long long time from now. maxsolomon Dec 2017 #32
I have voted for LWolf Dec 2017 #61
A simple search of DU LWolf Dec 2017 #60
yeah, i have a life. not going to do "simple searches" when i'm not sure what your point was. maxsolomon Jan 2018 #66
Okay. LWolf Jan 2018 #67
We have lots of examples of presidents in their delisen Dec 2017 #19
YEP. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #20
Don't care what age as long as doesn't play golf. delisen Dec 2017 #22
Most modern presidents played some golf JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2017 #38
Golf-environmental disaster, gender inequality, income delisen Dec 2017 #59
Let the "younsters" do it. Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #23
Totally agree. SharonClark Dec 2017 #25
I totally agree with Howard Dean 4now Dec 2017 #31
really? handmade34 Dec 2017 #34
Totally agree with you. erinlough Dec 2017 #37
55 is way too young to be the top age treestar Dec 2017 #63
The Republicans OWN younger generation seats. They completely dominate. joshcryer Dec 2017 #39
Not just for president, but for some of these Congressional seats. Ilsa Dec 2017 #40
I agree kpete Dec 2017 #43
Whene the GOP had 17 candidates, none could collect enough votes to tblue37 Dec 2017 #44
Garcetti is a good mayor and a capable pol but for 2020 I'd go with an oldster. ucrdem Dec 2017 #45
Go knit. shanny Dec 2017 #51
I"m in my 30s and knit crazycatlady Dec 2017 #56
sounds good shanny Dec 2017 #57
Never trust anybody under 30. edbermac Dec 2017 #52
Whoever can win treestar Dec 2017 #62
Kick. sarcasmo Jan 2018 #68
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