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243. We could do that.

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 06:01 PM

Dec 2017

I would even say that Franken could possibly be as bad as Gillibrand claims. But there is no supporting evidence that it is so. All evidence of prior behavior and the testimony (with names attached) of his co-worker women in his offices and at SNL indicate that he was the victim of a hatchet job. His decent behavior towards his accusers and his willingness to examine his own behavior were used against him.

In the Senate version of Miller's play we have this cast.

Al Franken plays Elizabeth Proctor
LeeAnn Tweeden plays Abigail
Gillibrand plays Gov. Danforth. (Or if you want to be generous, she could be Reverend Hale)

Divide up the other accusers among the girls in the town and the infamous list of Senators as the town council and various true-believers.

This just got away from them. I wish they had the bravery to admit it.

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Senator Gillibrand showed courage and has fought for women from the day she became a US Senator. [View all] Casprings Dec 2017 OP

Someone's got an agenda. PubliusEnigma Dec 2017 #1

Sad, cause it's a losing cause. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #2

I second that. vsrazdem Dec 2017 #21

She has no focus, she just shoots and the hell with who it hits IMnotU Dec 2017 #32

+1, she sure didnt hold the same views when she took R B Garr Dec 2017 #56

Yep! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #132

THIS! Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #179

Probably left over from her days customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #117

God, is that true? Alice11111 Dec 2017 #133

She came from upstate New York. Blue_true Dec 2017 #175

Thx for.info Alice11111 Dec 2017 #194

Yes, she has altered the sails customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #247

You sure about that? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #176

NBC: "She was also proud of her perfect letter grade from the NRA, ucrdem Dec 2017 #202

Wow, okay. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #203

What you were told was untrue. Blue_true Dec 2017 #213

Not sure what to believe now. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #214

Do your own research. Blue_true Dec 2017 #220

I will. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #224

The fact remains customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #248

Not according to the report I linked to. Here's the link again: ucrdem Dec 2017 #218

She reversed her position on guns BEFORE being appointed to Hillary's seat. Blue_true Dec 2017 #212

Possibly but NBC says otherwise: ucrdem Dec 2017 #217

Support for hunting rifles? Blue_true Dec 2017 #221

The point is that she reversed her position after being appointed to the Senate. ucrdem Dec 2017 #222

She supported hunting rifles before and now. Blue_true Dec 2017 #223

Take it up with MSNBC: ucrdem Dec 2017 #228

Blue dog? No. Never. elehhhhna Dec 2017 #3

I hope she learns from her mistakes and her handling of Franken was hlthe2b Dec 2017 #4

Yup, gonna take a long, long, long time for me to get over that huge mistake a kennedy Dec 2017 #10

Many of us feel this way. cwydro Dec 2017 #143

Agree. spooky3 Dec 2017 #71

I believe she doesn't have what it takes to be president. blue cat Dec 2017 #91

We already have a complete opportunist. We don't need more. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #162

Of course she will take the most heat - she led the charge. Lucky Luciano Dec 2017 #5

Get a canoe paddle for Xmas? rzemanfl Dec 2017 #6

It seems Gillibrand 2020 doesn't give people Christmas off dalton99a Dec 2017 #18

That would be Unamerican. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #19

+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #20

In the past few weeks we have lost two promising presidential candidates for 2020. rogerashton Dec 2017 #7

+1000 Pachamama Dec 2017 #60

Agreed. rogerashton Dec 2017 #83

Got that right.. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #159

What Franken supporters are you talking about? brooklynite Dec 2017 #210

I hope you are right. eom rogerashton Dec 2017 #230

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #8

That's the spirit. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #17

lol grantcart Dec 2017 #47

Hahaha ❤️ Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #66

и счастливое Новый Год Botany Dec 2017 #69

And happy new year to you too left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #73

I am not sure why this post was alerted on. All it says is: "and Happy New Year." (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #74

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #79

I don't disagree with you. And I just realized that they probably alerted on the "Merry Christmas" StevieM Dec 2017 #81

Small correction: he allegedly said that to the Democratic aide to somebody or other Demit Dec 2017 #86

"the woman can't come forward & be named because she is afraid" left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #92

I know? cwydro Dec 2017 #145

Exactly Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #90

Actually, in Russia, the phrase they use is this: DFW Dec 2017 #191

Merry Christmas to you too!! (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #75

You can fight for women without taking out one of your strongest allies. enough Dec 2017 #9

Of course, having actual evidence on which to question the politician would be nice... brooklynite Dec 2017 #95

Thank you. Needed to be said. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #163

Welcome back tovarishch ornotna Dec 2017 #11

Women have not been granted immunity from making mistakes any more than men have DFW Dec 2017 #12

+1 Lucinda Dec 2017 #185

She started the ball rolling so shes getting the most flack for it... JHB Dec 2017 #13

It is not sexist to question her motivation dansolo Dec 2017 #14

Yes, it would be sexist NOT to treat women the same way men are treated. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #215

"Wrong and sexist to question her motivation"????? oasis Dec 2017 #15

Huh??? RW hit plot avainst Franken, then implemented by G. She plays the sexist Alice11111 Dec 2017 #165

It's Franken, not "Frankin". And no, I'm not a "sexist" because I question someone's motivation. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #16

As I said on another of his/her threads, tavernier Dec 2017 #150

whatever............. Demonaut Dec 2017 #22

I don't question her motivation. She froze in the press's headlights and said something reckless. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #23

Schumer is the Democratic Minority Leader.Would not have happened without delisen Dec 2017 #24

Why are you trying to pick a fight? You keep bringing up resolved issues. And then stir... marble falls Dec 2017 #25

Lonely... maybe..? pangaia Dec 2017 #35

And single issued. He/she certainly knows how to be a majority of one. marble falls Dec 2017 #37

1st time i have seen it's post... pangaia Dec 2017 #39

He/She's all over this one...... marble falls Dec 2017 #45

WOW. And I was pretty active in that thread and never noticed... pangaia Dec 2017 #52

It's been busy, busy, busy picking fights, but has not gained much traction at DU re Gillibrand Hekate Dec 2017 #48

Its drawn a lot of attention to itself. marble falls Dec 2017 #54

I agree with you on that one for sure.. pangaia Dec 2017 #94

Russian Christmas isnt until January Loki Liesmith Dec 2017 #88

She managed the Franken situation very poorly IluvPitties Dec 2017 #26

True, the problem with her working from a MurrayDelph Dec 2017 #51

She degraded the #Me Too movement Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #199

Well said. Franken's apology and commitment to better behavior in the future should have sufficed. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #240

Exactly that, and more. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #164

We would not have Mueller or the ACA without Franken SHRED Dec 2017 #27

+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #38

Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #28

She was also very strong standing up for big tobacco when she was a private attorney as well. jalan48 Dec 2017 #29

She tried, but failed, to work the "system." MoonRiver Dec 2017 #30

We had a long hard fight against Big Tobacco, no thanks to her. In the DEM primary, NCjack Dec 2017 #58

Totally agree. She has been 100% consistent on that front. Blue_true Dec 2017 #31

Yes ---unflinching nt cadmium Dec 2017 #121

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ! nocalflea Dec 2017 #33

LOLOL!! pangaia Dec 2017 #34

I was a big fan until she opted for mob rule over due process. Vinca Dec 2017 #36

Exactly. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #40

A "rush to judgment" without any semblance of fair hearing. marble falls Dec 2017 #43

re mob rule cadmium Dec 2017 #123

I disagree. Women can be accused, too. If it was Sen. Gillibrand would she want a hearing? Vinca Dec 2017 #138

Very true!!! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #167

She's forcing HER standards on the rest of the electorate. Merlot Dec 2017 #41

Clinton should have resigned because he used his power on someone without any power Casprings Dec 2017 #46

Aother "should" which is my point. Rule of law, not "should" Merlot Dec 2017 #50

Intern, worked for the President, President got sexual favors Casprings Dec 2017 #53

For which he paid for in a lot of different ways. Including losing his law license for perjury... marble falls Dec 2017 #57

My thoughts are informed Casprings Dec 2017 #62

Wrong. We need to recognize ratfcking when we see it and call it out. That's what' wrong with the Ds Hekate Dec 2017 #65

Adultery wasnt the issue Casprings Dec 2017 #67

Read my post #63 re Presidential Kneepads before you talk consent Hekate Dec 2017 #70

Your thoughts are informed only by your ignorance. And another uninformed opinion of yours.... marble falls Dec 2017 #72

He would have won as an incumbent Casprings Dec 2017 #99

HUH? marble falls Dec 2017 #131

If dems push Clinton out in 98 Gore likely wins as an incumbent. Casprings Dec 2017 #140

That's pure conjecture. You'd impeach a President over lying about a blow job? marble falls Dec 2017 #147

No. Thats not what you Remove him for Casprings Dec 2017 #152

What do you think he should have been impeached over? marble falls Dec 2017 #153

For using a position of power to get sexual favors from someone he has power over Casprings Dec 2017 #154

Something he was never charged with, you're back to conjecture again. marble falls Dec 2017 #157

No he wasnt. Doesnt mean that wasnt what should have happened Casprings Dec 2017 #158

Name one person ever charged with that and ejudicated for it. Show me that law. Get out of your.... marble falls Dec 2017 #160

Impeachment is a political process and its likely it would be a forced resignation Casprings Dec 2017 #161

For which there was no political will for. Clinton left office with a great economy .... marble falls Dec 2017 #166

Because dems protected Clinton Casprings Dec 2017 #172

Bull Shit. Democrats were not holding Congress at this point.... marble falls Dec 2017 #174

Depends the time.. not right when it came out Casprings Dec 2017 #178

Clinton should not have resigned nor have been forced out...sick of the sliming of Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #225

Intern who told her friends she was going to DC "to get her presidential kneepads"... Hekate Dec 2017 #63

Yes , you are correct... it was bullshit. And consider Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #226

It could be remembered as... tonedevil Dec 2017 #84

What is it with you people and blaming the powerless? NT Casprings Dec 2017 #98

Did l misrepresent... tonedevil Dec 2017 #100

The wife of a high school drama teacher who had an Casprings Dec 2017 #103

YOU PEOPLE? Skittles Dec 2017 #134

Yes, you people who stand with Joe Manchin and Newt Gingrich Casprings Dec 2017 #139

LOL Skittles Dec 2017 #181

Newt supported al because it undercuts dem arguments on trump Casprings Dec 2017 #182

bottom line is Franken was booted out over POLITICAL BULLSHIT Skittles Dec 2017 #186

And seven women, including a democratic staffer say different Casprings Dec 2017 #188

Who is this "you people". Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #197

The people that defend the powerful over the powerless.. those people Casprings Dec 2017 #205

You mean the KKK and the GOP. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #234

Two righty women and some anonymous... who should not be counted. We know for a fact that Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #227

Good point. No one since the resignation. breitbart wins again. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #236

That is what it was...they took a safe seat and made it competitive...the GOP slime machine... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #239

Thank you. cwydro Dec 2017 #146

Um what is this word in your post? cwydro Dec 2017 #148

How old are you anyway? Hekate Dec 2017 #61

If that is so, why did Gillibrand gladly accept endorsements, support and money from lunamagica Dec 2017 #68

"While debates about due process are legitimate, if wrong," sounds like an insult is coming .... marble falls Dec 2017 #42

Exactly how is it sexist... quickesst Dec 2017 #44

She led the charge on Senator Franken in order to position herself for doc03 Dec 2017 #49

Most of the Democratic Base will remember. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #55

A friend's sister in NY has soured on her ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #97

Exactly. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #78

+1000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #168

Gillibrand may have fought for women, but she sure as hell wouldn't democratisphere Dec 2017 #59

fingers in ears..don't want to hear it. she backstabbed a fellow Democrat without waiting for hearin Rene Dec 2017 #64

Baloney. eom KPN Dec 2017 #76

Eunuchs for Gillibrand Dan Dec 2017 #77

And following the oldest rule in the book: trash your rival so it will elevate yourself question everything Dec 2017 #80

Thats funny. Al Franken did the same thing. mn9driver Dec 2017 #82

You doth protest too much... aikoaiko Dec 2017 #85

We should use the term "Gillibranding" IluvPitties Dec 2017 #87

Great term worth adopting! democratisphere Dec 2017 #89

Very nice dalton99a Dec 2017 #127

I like this! cwydro Dec 2017 #144

She Denied Women who Worked for Al Franken Their Right to be Heard JI7 Dec 2017 #93

... Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #96

Lame to say it is sexist to attack her position on Senator Franken.... ollie10 Dec 2017 #101

Policing your side is what a principled position looks like. Casprings Dec 2017 #105

so Stone is now on our side? ollie10 Dec 2017 #106

The first may have been stone.. Casprings Dec 2017 #107

how many are anonymous? ollie10 Dec 2017 #109

A Roger Stone-backed right-wing "victim" and another triggered... SMC22307 Dec 2017 #114

It's not as simple as you seem to want it to be Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #195

I Won't vote for her in a primary...end of story. She showed a lack of judgement with Franken. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #102

So dont state a completely true fact about Biden because you dont like it? NT Casprings Dec 2017 #104

I am really tired of the attacks on Biden concerning Anita Hill... he is a great guy and was a Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #141

I didnt say I didnt like Biden.. still cant erase history Casprings Dec 2017 #149

1,954 views, 4 recs. I don't think you have won over you audience. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #108

the OP reaffirmed my disgust of Gillibrand...it wasn't a wasted post Demonaut Dec 2017 #111

Umm, those four recs are from compulsive recommenders Brother Buzz Dec 2017 #116

Hey Buzz, Merry Christmas or should I say Happy Holidays to spite Drumpf? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #120

LOL Skittles Dec 2017 #110

Gillibrand was a superstar and 2020 favorite in my mind Takket Dec 2017 #112

She will never get a Presidential primary vote from me SHRED Dec 2017 #113

And Al Franken stood with her through the fight dflprincess Dec 2017 #115

Defending Senator Gellibrand context-longer post cadmium Dec 2017 #118

+1000000000000000000 Casprings Dec 2017 #119

Who is this person I will never vote for? fallout87 Dec 2017 #122

maybe cadmium Dec 2017 #124

Well said. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #125

I reiterate again: Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2017 #126

"From the day she became a Senator?" shanny Dec 2017 #128

Does make one wonder? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #216

2300 views, 125 replies flotsam Dec 2017 #129

+1000 OnDoutside Dec 2017 #136

Popular does not equal right Casprings Dec 2017 #137

You're proud of having a few hides? I guarantee if you have four more you'll be the most popular... marble falls Dec 2017 #177

You Would Know ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #211

My Money Is On Gillibrand Losing In A Primary SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #130

I wouldn't bet on her Hav Dec 2017 #135

She is DONE as a presidential nominee. She chose to lead a witch hunt. FOR SHAME! LBM20 Dec 2017 #142

The fact is: if she is the presidential nomination in 2020 we will all line up and vote for her... Joe941 Dec 2017 #151

She wont get that far dansolo Dec 2017 #156

I hope you are right. Joe941 Dec 2017 #170

This event may very well have defined her. Demit Dec 2017 #180

For me... FarPoint Dec 2017 #155

...and so begins the first skirmish of the 2020 campaign. nt Buns_of_Fire Dec 2017 #169

I like Harris.. she was also on the right side of this Casprings Dec 2017 #173

Supporting as in agreeing with, or supporting as in presidential material? Buns_of_Fire Dec 2017 #200

Unrec workinclasszero Dec 2017 #171

We keep getting these Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #183

I posted here for years here Casprings Dec 2017 #184

What, pray tell, was your username? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #189

So, when did you feel the need Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #192

Couldnt figure out how to get my old account to work once the election hack happened Casprings Dec 2017 #193

So you don't like DU? Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #196

Its a subset that I enjoyed posting on Casprings Dec 2017 #204

BrentWil's last post here before the hack was in May 2015. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #206

You are a hoot. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #233

I'm with Senator Gillibrand all the way. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #187

I'm not. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #190

I should have read yours before posting mine. I agree 100%. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #209

I suspect that she and other Dem Senators know more than we do. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #219

Ahhh. The old "I suspect" gimmick. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #235

But perfectly willing to see Franken resign without knowing all the facts? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #208

No, I certainly wasn't happy about it. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #231

Going high isn't working so great. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #232

You really need to stop thinking that politicians Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #237

Really. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #238

You're welcome. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #241

Respectfully... kstewart33 Dec 2017 #242

We could do that. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #243

Your understanding of 'The Crucible' is impressive. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #244

I understand the resentment Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #246

He is a Democrat...she came out before any investigation and asked for him to resign...that is it as Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #229

Sounds like a Gillibrand for President stump speech. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #198

You're entitled to defend her but giving credence to RW defamations was a huge mistake. ucrdem Dec 2017 #201

Shady way to attack a Democrat. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #207

Wow! woolldog Dec 2017 #245