I don't understand the animosity towards DU gun owners.

[Igel]

246. That's hyperbole.

In a lot of places there is nearly no law enforcement. There's also low crime. But if the state isn't going to protect you--and there's no right to that--then there's a right to self defense.

What's amazing is that many think there's some sort of collective right to self defense but no individual right. It's like being allowed to organize and publish something, but don't you dare say it by yourself.

And others try to make the 2nd Amendment not about the People but about the Government, or to whittle it down from an actual right to some bureaucratic blip that's already handled implicitly by other portions of the Constitution. You're allowed to own a gun--not an arm, but a gun--not for hunting or self defense or any other reason, but solely for the purpose of being eligible to be drafted into a state-formed militia. Yeah--you have this thing and there's an armed invasion robbery of your house, and you have to let them shoot your kids and rape your wife. "Sorry, the gun is only allowed to be used for collective defense." Ideology makes people stupid. Always has. Always will.


Some people value property much more highly. In some cases it's after repeated vandalism. In some cases it's because your house isn't just your property, but your "space". Imagine if you wake up and find that your wallet's been stolen off your dresser while you slept. It would mean somebody came in when you were defenseless. That's not property, that's a violation of your security and the trivial property is a token. And at other times it's just the sheer disrespect. My old babysitter had a chunk of land and her son finally had it posted. Every day after school a bunch of kids would walk across it from high school to home. If she was out they'd call her an old bitch or an old cunt. When she told them to mind their manners they stole her garden tools or trashed her garden. My wife was seriously considering a weapon when the neighbor's door was almost beaten down by a racist group of kids and a friend's car was trashed in their driveway by the same sweet kids, when a racist comment was yelled in front of our house about us and assented to by the kid's buddies, and when the "innocent darlings" took to tripping our circuit breakers at 11:30 at night. It's not property.

And, yes, it's uncivilized. Breaking and entering, vandalism. trespassing. So uncivilized and unevolved. But if the police aren't going to place a guard at everybody's door, if they're not going to be there to personally protect every septuagenarian, if they're not going to be a mere 30 seconds away from every home, where down the block from the police station or 30 miles from the nearest town of 25 people, that kind of uncivilized crap's going to happen. You can cite Diderot to them in French as they kill your dog or you can threaten them. And you can't make it a social obligation to allow yourself to be injured or wronged. That's also unevolved. Or effete.