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Llewlladdwr

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35. I'm not ignoring it at all.

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:15 AM

Jul 2012

I just don't see how you get from "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..." to "You must be a member of the Militia in order for the following text to apply to you...". Can you lead me through the logical steps in making this interpretation?

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Time to be "Well Regulated"? [View all] sellitman Jul 2012 OP

No fucking way. -..__... Jul 2012 #1

Getting rid of the '86 ban on new manufacture of fully automatic weapons would be a good start. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #4

Sure sellitman Jul 2012 #6

And who has advocated such a position? Please, be *specific*. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #9

How about the NRA leader himself? sellitman Jul 2012 #10

He said "someone", not "every man woman and child". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #17

More guns in the theater? sellitman Jul 2012 #23

That's not the question at hand. You said: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #25

You have created a straw man from my argument sellitman Jul 2012 #27

Your LaPierre quote is from a satire site! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #28

Clearly? On what evidence? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #41

Can I just say that this is a pretty obvious attempt at trolling? rbixby Jul 2012 #71

Are you really citing that tripe as an actual quote from the NRA or lapierre? rl6214 Jul 2012 #24

Your link is from a satire site. You're not exactly covering yourself in credibility, here. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #16

Gangs would agree with you. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #18

Legal owners of machine guns are the most responsible, law abiding gun owners Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #19

So you're for gun regulation. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #20

Some, yes. Less than we presently have, though. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #22

Define "Less" please Scootaloo Jul 2012 #33

Sure. Repeal the '86 machine gun ban, '68 Gun Control Act, and '34 Gun Control Act. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #40

So... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #43

I know what I want...! Forgot one, though: CCW reciprocity. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #46

So, your position is basically identical to the most extreme RW policies of the NRA. baldguy Jul 2012 #48

Well? DiverDave Jul 2012 #53

Well, what? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #57

You know that "Starship Troopers" was Heinlein's satire of fascism. baldguy Jul 2012 #69

Heinleins' book did not depict a facist society, nor was it satire. PavePusher Jul 2012 #70

Wow! I'm...I'm not really sure how to respond to this. baldguy Jul 2012 #73

I have to ask, does anyone else share your opinion? PavePusher Jul 2012 #75

Freedom is a liberal value, yes? I'm in favor of more of it. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #56

Responsibility is a liberal value, too. It's sickeningly fascinating how RW extremists always avoid it. baldguy Jul 2012 #59

No comments if favor of responsibility from you? baldguy Jul 2012 #67

Militias are well regulated RegieRocker Jul 2012 #2

LOL!! Zoeisright Jul 2012 #11

"Well Regulated" meaning "well equipped and trained"? Sure. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #3

I own guns, but I don't keep them loaded. The handguns are in a safe. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #5

Mine are sufficiently regulated. I don't need any help from you or anyone else. slackmaster Jul 2012 #7

As a long-time proponent of Universal National Service ... TahitiNut Jul 2012 #8

Stop it willya permatex Jul 2012 #12

But, but, but... sarisataka Jul 2012 #15

A quote: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #30

There's a fine liberal thinker, there. baldguy Jul 2012 #49

Freedom is a liberal value, yes? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #55

Heinlein's was well known as a LIBERTARIAN nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #62

Responsibility is a liberal value, too. baldguy Jul 2012 #63

I'm pretty sure that if you've read any Heinlein... PavePusher Jul 2012 #76

Why is it that RWers must always appeal to some authority? baldguy Jul 2012 #77

I am thinking for myself. PavePusher Jul 2012 #78

You're not appealing to authority... baldguy Jul 2012 #81

No comments if favor of responsibility from you? baldguy Jul 2012 #68

Did Heinlein oppose conscription thucythucy Jul 2012 #79

There is no good rational choice here. stevebreeze Jul 2012 #13

Your post is confusing ... spin Jul 2012 #38

ban all death spewers and killer clips. ileus Jul 2012 #14

Yes please. I want to make enough money to get away from people like you, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #42

there is another country G_j Jul 2012 #47

Somalia baldguy Jul 2012 #50

Not more popular, merely not worth disrupting society over. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #58

I choose 'Other', but only because I decline to address another petronius Jul 2012 #21

Missed the sarcasm tag I guess sellitman Jul 2012 #54

It's my belief that any honest reading of the 2nd Amendment renders ALL Federal firearm regulations Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #29

Any honest reading of the Second Amendment wouldn't ignore the first part of the sentence. AndyA Jul 2012 #31

So explain it to me then. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #32

There ya go, just ignore that phrase and arm up. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

I'm not ignoring it at all. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #35

Read Stevens' Dissent in Heller, you'll understand. Won't admit it though. Hoyt Jul 2012 #36

So, you can't explain it then? NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #37

Okay, I've read the dissent. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #45

Why is a well-regulated Militia even mentioned? AndyA Jul 2012 #39

The Militia is mentioned because the neccessity for one is the reason the right of the people to Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #44

Outlaw guns but substitute Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #51

Yep. I'm a strong 2nd amendment supporter. TroglodyteScholar Jul 2012 #52

What, you want to start a posse? Taverner Jul 2012 #60

Won't be popular, I know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #61

How should we make it harder? nt rrneck Jul 2012 #64

Make it as hard as getting a license to practice medicine. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #65

Maybe so. That means you go on to the next segment TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #66

Well done - Thank you. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #72

Other - trashing gun thread #522. closeupready Jul 2012 #74

Out law guns completely!!!!!!!!!!!! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #80