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Al Franken did more to take on Trump than Kirsten Gillibrand ever did, or will do [View all] dansolo Dec 2017 OP

added to list of things we need to move on from. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #1

I agree SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #21

I don't think this is done at all. lark Dec 2017 #31

It is not over for me PatSeg Dec 2017 #46

Does seem to be a lot of effort to make us sweep it out.... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #53

It sure does seem that way, doesn't it? PatSeg Dec 2017 #74

Throwing the baby with the bath water. leftcoastie Dec 2017 #188

Yes, he has been an exceptional senator PatSeg Dec 2017 #189

+10000 to this OP and sub thread. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #217

+++1000 heaven05 Dec 2017 #204

Good post. Me too! KPN Dec 2017 #148

Me too! I will not forgive, will not forget! rainy Dec 2017 #162

Yes PatSeg Dec 2017 #170

Totally!! Alice11111 Jan 2018 #228

Because it will not take long befofe the 2020 candidates wannabe start parading question everything Dec 2017 #49

Those who fail to understand the past are condemned to repeat it. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #141

And those who dwell on the past are condemned to live in it SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #157

I'd hardly call a few weeks "dwelling" Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #172

It's over for me... blue cat Dec 2017 #185

Dead to me too. I am working to have her lose the Dem primary Alice11111 Jan 2018 #229

Sweep an injustice under the rug? WyLoochka Dec 2017 #205

Well stated. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #230

oh no heaven05 Dec 2017 #88

I want to say quickly that I agree with everything you've said before your post gets deleted. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2017 #160

+1000000 murielm99 Dec 2017 #184

+1000000000 betsuni Dec 2017 #225

Yep Lunabell Dec 2017 #190

Sure. Why learn from your mistakes when you can do them over and over? Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #211

Gillibrand has been a longtime campaigner against sexual abuse and assault. Blue_true Dec 2017 #2

Before or after Hillary and Bill itsrobert Dec 2017 #11

Thank you True Blue American Dec 2017 #68

With the exception of political expediency that is SHRED Dec 2017 #30

No, she was being extremist and hostile to due process, which her target welcomed. EOM elfin Dec 2017 #78

He. Could. Have. Fought. Back.. whathehell Dec 2017 #122

KG organized the mob.His decision was for the party. elfin Dec 2017 #150

The "mob"? whathehell Dec 2017 #176

Bet it looked like a mob to him elfin Dec 2017 #186

You think so?...I'd guess that he's made of stronger stuff, myself whathehell Dec 2017 #187

Spot on. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #234

She is deserving of our praise and appreciation for what she is doing. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #139

I agree. Blue_true Dec 2017 #179

No Gradations Gillibrand does not deserve my praise WyLoochka Dec 2017 #209

Then she should have gone after Claire McCaskill who helped block Gillibrand's bill that would have dflprincess Dec 2017 #192

No, since there was no sexual abuse or assault. Just her blind ambition Alice11111 Jan 2018 #231

Exactly my issue. lark Jan 2018 #236

Well stated. She's not from my state either,but I did work Alice11111 Jan 2018 #238

I'm angry and hurt, too janterry Dec 2017 #3

Yeah, but men are allowed make mistakes -- Women not so much. whathehell Dec 2017 #10

Schumer had the major role-he is Minority Leader delisen Dec 2017 #54

I don't think anyone has forgotten Schumer's role in this.... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #83

Yes, and have you noticed how he (and the other "he's") are so rarely whathehell Dec 2017 #111

Could it be because Gillebrand is clearly positioning herself for a presidential run in 2020... regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #144

It's not "clear" to me.. whathehell Dec 2017 #149

She is not a victim here. She led the effort KPN Dec 2017 #153

She led the effort, but it would have gone Nowhere without the followers whathehell Dec 2017 #173

It does. So when I evaluate her against KPN Dec 2017 #181

I can understand that.. whathehell Dec 2017 #182

Lynch mobs don't succeed without the followers WyLoochka Dec 2017 #210

Lynch mobs... Really? whathehell Dec 2017 #213

Al is done - Dems killed his lucid voice. lark Dec 2017 #33

Is that wishful thinking? LakeArenal Dec 2017 #86

Yes, I want an ethics investigation to clear his name. lark Dec 2017 #152

Sorry, I misunderstood. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #156

President? SoCalMusicLover Dec 2017 #164

I just can't agree. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #167

Not sure. He should move to NY and primary Guillibrand. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #232

She and others shot the party in the foot or maybe worse than that. lark Jan 2018 #235

This particular female Democratic voter is disgusted by what she did The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #4

Agree 1000%! cornball 24 Dec 2017 #12

This woman feels as you do. She's my Senator jrthin Dec 2017 #13

Who's Teatree? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #15

Sorry, Zephyr Teachout. jrthin Dec 2017 #16

I hope that happens! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #23

Nope. Teachout is NOT close to what we need. Wwcd Dec 2017 #41

She also lost her race for a seat in the state legislature in 2016. lapucelle Dec 2017 #118

Not much of a record to take on the Kremlin Kraken is there. Wwcd Dec 2017 #124

Teachout out is divisive and murielm99 Dec 2017 #57

How would you discern "leftist" from "progressive"? whathehell Dec 2017 #123

Oh, so we are going to get into semantics, murielm99 Dec 2017 #125

Huh? whathehell Dec 2017 #180

See heaven05's post, murielm99 Dec 2017 #183

You can't be serious. First of all she won't win statewide so if she succeeded in winning the Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #47

WOW, Run, Zephyr, RUN! disndat Dec 2017 #65

And? A professor at fordham is one cred. What are her other creds to challenge a sitting Dem? Wwcd Dec 2017 #82

Anybody can run and win... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #90

"Anybody" ran & won the WH in 2016. Wwcd Dec 2017 #98

So dismissive and snarky.. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #104

Your Personal insult to my post just reiterated my last response. Wwcd Dec 2017 #128

In America, anyone can run and anyone can win... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #134

I've rarely heard her name & I'm suppose to support her? Wwcd Dec 2017 #137

Oxford dictionary LakeArenal Jan 2018 #227

That would be good. If nothing else, KPN Dec 2017 #171

Same here. nt scarletwoman Dec 2017 #24

As does this woman choie Dec 2017 #27

K & R Wwcd Dec 2017 #35

Yep. She killed off our best Dem warrior, fast, before Alice11111 Dec 2017 #58

Gillibrand had her 15 minutes of fame disndat Dec 2017 #71

I hope G loses the primary in a landslide sufficient Alice11111 Dec 2017 #73

Completely agree! dflprincess Dec 2017 #193

This woman takes a hard pass, too. n/t susanna Dec 2017 #197

+10000000000000 Alice11111 Jan 2018 #239

I like Al left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #5

K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #6

This is just ignorant and blatant ratfucking. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2017 #7

Tell us how you really feel left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #9

Stupidly sexist and simply wrong, as this thread should demonstrate.. whathehell Dec 2017 #18

Al Franken was the victim choie Dec 2017 #29

Always remember this, Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #32

Franken also "led" Gorsuch to expose himself pubicly as a robotic judicial zealot stuffmatters Dec 2017 #112

Sure did. Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #158

Sure did! Labelled Gorsuch forever as the ahole judge who ruled workers obligated to freeze to death stuffmatters Dec 2017 #178

Exactly Alice11111 Dec 2017 #59

It sure is. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #48

+1 Exactly. n/t FSogol Dec 2017 #63

You forgot "transparent". meadowlander Dec 2017 #174

It appears you do not know what ratfucking is WyLoochka Dec 2017 #206

I'm a female primary voter and I don't vote primarily by Gender whathehell Dec 2017 #8

Absolutely. My Repub dentist said that I voted for Hillary Alice11111 Dec 2017 #64

Are the Democrats (we) also supposed to be the anti-bullying party? StTimofEdenRoc Dec 2017 #14

Yes. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #69

Females are the majority of Democratic voters Progressive dog Dec 2017 #17

You need to get your facts right. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #70

Which "facts" do you mean? Progressive dog Dec 2017 #199

K&R Owl Dec 2017 #19

There are many great women to pick from. safeinOhio Dec 2017 #20

or the brightest. Her loyalty has been tested at least 3 times, Alice11111 Dec 2017 #72

I'll bet $5 that Gillibrand is not done as a senator ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #131

We do not need to lose! G is much more divisive than Hillary. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #140

Gillibrand is much more popular ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #145

The Clintons worked to put her in office. She trashed them.. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #168

I Have a Feeling There Was a Kompromat Piece to the United Dem Calls for Franken's Resignation dlk Dec 2017 #22

Heavens leftstreet Dec 2017 #26

Yes, I agree, more info needs to come out, but in the rush to Alice11111 Dec 2017 #165

This female Democrat will never vote mchill Dec 2017 #25

So in a general election it's her and Republican...you won't vote for her? What you'll just stay Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #38

If Dems don't manifest their aversion to G now, then the DNC too might get behind her w that logic stuffmatters Dec 2017 #97

I'm with you. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #218

Gillibrand should pack her bags and go home for Rene Dec 2017 #28

I am deeply upset with any person who thinks any Democrat should go home. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #44

We dont have the luxury of teliing anyone to pack their bags and leave... JHB Dec 2017 #92

An ethics investigation would have revealed Roger Stones involvement. Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #34

And it is done so let's move on. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #43

Nah Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #200

Totally Agree Rene Dec 2017 #215

OMG enough already. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #36

+10000000000000 Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #40

+1000000 crazycatlady Dec 2017 #105

Amen. NT Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #143

I Disagree erpowers Dec 2017 #37

Not all democrats are created equal. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #208

Why do you think this is a post that is needed at this moment. I liked Franken and didn't like Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #39

I mostly would agree with you... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #81

K&R. lunamagica Dec 2017 #42

Franken chose to resign. David__77 Dec 2017 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2017 #56

agreed gopiscrap Dec 2017 #50

K&R zentrum Dec 2017 #51

I suggest we do what Al will do, unconditional support of the party Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #52

Never trust anyone who calls another person's opinion... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #55

Only way I vote for Gillibrand is with my nose held in the General aeromanKC Dec 2017 #60

Our party will be forever weaker with his departure and absence. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #61

Ok but he's not leaving the party and he didn't die. Just wait with your weaker stuff Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #75

Lord. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #135

Come on now Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #201

I'm trying to be positive. That is all. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #219

Then she needs to pick up the baton and get on with it eleny Dec 2017 #62

We survived. Cary Dec 2017 #66

Exactly Cary. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #106

I love the smell of sowing division in the morning. Scurrilous Dec 2017 #67

I support Kirsten Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #76

No; many DON'T agree he should have resigned! Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #77

Yup. A rather large majority, in fact. Bradical79 Dec 2017 #84

Did I say a majority? Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #95

First of all, she is a Senator, not a "Congresswoman." Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #154

Well said. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #169

Polls taken recently when Franken's groping hasn't been in the news mythology Dec 2017 #129

Absolutely patently false Nevernose Dec 2017 #155

Your poll is outdated Ghost Owl Dec 2017 #203

Many do Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #85

Irrelevant? LakeArenal Dec 2017 #94

I think that's what most of us do here Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #99

WHAT? LakeArenal Dec 2017 #103

Tina Smith is a Democrat Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #108

Smith will represent the Dems well. Wwcd Dec 2017 #114

And MN now has two female Senators Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #115

Stronger Together & we'll need all we can get to reverse the damage done Wwcd Dec 2017 #120

Okay you got me on the word seat LakeArenal Dec 2017 #116

in 10 monthes she will have to defend that seat questionseverything Dec 2017 #161

Both Sanders & Ellison jumped on that G bandwagon Wwcd Dec 2017 #110

Nope, Nope and Nope. Wrong on all counts. n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #121

Franken could run again Bradical79 Dec 2017 #79

Yeah, let's push him out and see if he can go back in dalton99a Dec 2017 #136

We have lost heaven05 Dec 2017 #80

Wonder why Gillibrand didn't take on the Pervert in Chief, Alice11111 Dec 2017 #87

yep heaven05 Dec 2017 #89

Like this? Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #101

Do not support Dems helping RW creeps ratfrack a fellow Dem cp Dec 2017 #91

+1000000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #93

Do you think if Gilli would admit what a huge mistake she made... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #100

Leahy sort of did. I think she has run out of time to try Alice11111 Dec 2017 #113

Gee Alice, you state the position so well LakeArenal Dec 2017 #117

Wow! Thank you, LakeArenal, you made my day. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #126

+100 Duppers Dec 2017 #194

This dflprincess Dec 2017 #96

Yeah, and, unfortuntely, not just manipulated by Repubs. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #127

Threads like this show me that DU hasn't learned a damn thing from 2016. DU is primed and ready to FSogol Dec 2017 #102

Never trust anyone who uses words like pathetic in an reference to someone else's opinion. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #107

Yeah, sounds sort of like, "Believe me. Believe me." Alice11111 Dec 2017 #130

Agreed Stuckinthebush Dec 2017 #109

I reserve my bashing to those who attack good Democrats dansolo Dec 2017 #221

The people who want this to be over... quickesst Dec 2017 #119

I hesitated to post this, but since we are still talking about her... jodymarie aimee Dec 2017 #132

You are correct. Female Democratic Primary Voters are important, democratisphere Dec 2017 #133

We're still doing this? One day from 2018? Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #138

I'm guessing this was prompted by a recent Gillibrand-cheerleading thread... JHB Dec 2017 #202

Fair point. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #216

She's the one who started the "resign, now" ball rolling... JHB Dec 2017 #224

I on't want her as our nominee! IMO she has little to no personality. It's necessary to get napi21 Dec 2017 #226

That was exactly why I started this thread dansolo Dec 2017 #223

As a democratic woman pamdb Dec 2017 #142

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #146

maybe you should check your facts first. drray23 Dec 2017 #175

Who will speak for the oppressed old white males? LexVegas Dec 2017 #147

Focus on midterms! Heartstrings Dec 2017 #151

Or, Al can be POTUS, and appoint Kirsten ambassador to the country of her choice! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #159

That'll work! Heartstrings Dec 2017 #166

I never did believe in biting ones tongue. K&R BootinUp Dec 2017 #163

Im a female Dem voter and wont be voting for her. Auntie Bush Dec 2017 #177

same here n/t orleans Dec 2017 #196

Well, women made up 57% of Democratic primary voters, men 43%. pnwmom Dec 2017 #191

she certainly didn't win this female dem over orleans Dec 2017 #195

Donald Trump, Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein and lots of patriarchal perverts tell us to "move on" IronLionZion Dec 2017 #198

Kick MoonRiver Dec 2017 #207

She actually set back the fight against trump. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #212

Inside scoop from the mouth of a DCCC person I met on Franken: flamingdem Dec 2017 #214

We know who the next Lieberman is dalton99a Dec 2017 #222

True! ananda Dec 2017 #220

Thanks for speaking the truth, OP. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #233

I especially enjoyed how all the evidence you supplied supporting your premise was cited and sourced LanternWaste Jan 2018 #237