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Plucketeer

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17. Yeah, there's differences

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:52 PM

Dec 2017

So why don't we have a public option / single payer already? And it's not a done deal even if we ever have all three levers of power (again). The health industries have deep, loaded pockets. Roadblock signs are cheap.

Why wasn't our gregarious gem of a POTUS able to find "comfortable shoes"? I remember waiting and WAITING for him to join the throngs in Madison a few years ago. Certainly he could have hired the services of a cobbler.

I'm not an (R) or an (I) - I'm a (D) according to my voter registration, but (P) might be closer to the truth - maybe even an (S). Either way, I vote how I vote because I'm able to think and access things within the confines of my own cranium.

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To anyone who says both parties are the same: Fuck. You. [View all] Roland99 Dec 2017 OP

I totally agree Ohiogal Dec 2017 #1

Oh, yeah. With a broomstick. One with splinters... TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #2

Splintered broomstick. Sideways Roland99 Dec 2017 #3

I agree with the sentiment but...ew. liberalnarb Dec 2017 #15

With a rusty garden weasel. MFM008 Jan 2018 #34

And here are a few other reasons... SHRED Dec 2017 #4

And perhaps, most important and damaging: stacking the federal courts with right-wing idealogues EffieBlack Dec 2017 #6

Excellent addition to the list SHRED Dec 2017 #7

A damage inflicted upon us that will last for years and years Roland99 Dec 2017 #10

Excellent point... why elections matter. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #28

This little tune comes to mind from when I taught first grade, BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #5

Plenty of DUers want to punish red state moderate Democrats IronLionZion Dec 2017 #8

When anyone says to me: "Well, you know, both sides..." Aristus Dec 2017 #9

Stupid is the new zombie. kairos12 Dec 2017 #11

I'd choose a zombie over stupidity. Aristus Dec 2017 #12

Faith is cute. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #71

K&R betsuni Dec 2017 #13

It's a shame, also, that of those states who have the most poor without healthcare are the ones demosincebirth Dec 2017 #14

And most are welfare states GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #59

K&R Scurrilous Dec 2017 #16

Yeah, there's differences Plucketeer Dec 2017 #17

"So why don't we have..." pick it. We dont have those things because we have a Democracy stevenleser Jan 2018 #18

I get it now! Plucketeer Jan 2018 #44

Glad I could help. Hopefully you don't need to ask the question again. stevenleser Jan 2018 #46

They are not supposed to work in unison treestar Jan 2018 #65

Simple. Because they filibustered us, and Ted Kennedy died. Is that too hard to understand? nt pnwmom Jan 2018 #22

Of course, there is always the possibility that Joe Lieberman would have betrayed us after StevieM Jan 2018 #31

Especially because he wasn't a Democrat then. He was an independent representing the state pnwmom Jan 2018 #33

That doggoned TK Plucketeer Jan 2018 #45

It is absolutely FALSE that Obama made "guarantees" that the wars would stop the day he took office. pnwmom Jan 2018 #47

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #52

You're 30 points behind at this point. John Fante Jan 2018 #53

It's really not true that Obama guaranteed the wars would stop the day he took office. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #55

No but zipplewrath Jan 2018 #78

Not true. He was all-in on Afghanistan, ground zero for terrorism at the time. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #82

But that's not all he said zipplewrath Jan 2018 #84

Issue: Poster says Obama promised he'd end Afghan. War on Day One. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #85

Well actually "changes" are the exact point zipplewrath Jan 2018 #86

Please post the link of Obama, before taking office, promising to end Afgh. War on Day One. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #87

I understand zipplewrath Jan 2018 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #92

Breaking: person doesn't get what they want. News at 11. BzaDem Jan 2018 #24

Well, first off.... Plucketeer Jan 2018 #43

Objective rationalization? John Fante Jan 2018 #54

Welcome to DU, John Fante! n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #61

Thank you. Glad to be here. John Fante Jan 2018 #62

As I like to point out, it wasn't just Lieberturd that blocked multi-payer in America. HughBeaumont Jan 2018 #77

Dems are mostly good! redumbliCONs are absolutely pure evil. democratisphere Jan 2018 #19

Over time I've come to the conclusion, agincourt Jan 2018 #20

Yes.. Fuck yourself with my splintered broom handle. Le Gaucher Jan 2018 #21

"Both sides do it" is a "conservative" thought virus Cary Jan 2018 #23

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #26

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #25

I completely agree with you. It disgusts me..n/t Upthevibe Jan 2018 #32

K&R revmclaren Jan 2018 #27

K&R InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #29

Since people who say that are usually stupid... Iggo Jan 2018 #30

I remember pressbox69 Jan 2018 #35

When Republicans say: dobleremolque Jan 2018 #36

If I belonged to the one party of two (major ones) rock Jan 2018 #37

I watched that. Scarsdale Jan 2018 #38

I was wondering how they voted, too. My daughter was watching with me... Roland99 Jan 2018 #40

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Name / Link SteelSmasher Jan 2018 #41

The Health Wagon Roland99 Jan 2018 #42

Way to demonstrate and celebrate LWolf Jan 2018 #48

Ask me if I care. Go ahead. Roland99 Jan 2018 #49

I don't have to. LWolf Jan 2018 #66

Your heart is in the right place... Cary Jan 2018 #56

I couldn't agree more K&R (NT) louis c Jan 2018 #50

K&R Gothmog Jan 2018 #51

Yep, although I'd add one more piece of info. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #57

With all due respect jimlup Jan 2018 #58

Stein,Sarandan and Nina Turner all contributed to Hillary's loss...And they are still at it so fuck Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #60

Well good luck with worrying about that jimlup Jan 2018 #68

Jill Stein along with Ralph Nader have really hurt progressives...we should recognized that Greens Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #69

Well sorry but that's just false jimlup Jan 2018 #72

It is completely factual...no one can argue against the fact that if Nader didn't run Gore would Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #74

Well I strongly jimlup Jan 2018 #79

I do not support Sen. Sanders for President. I support him in the Senate...he is good there, but Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #83

I can zipplewrath Jan 2018 #90

Quite honestly, I disagree and will despise the Greens and Stein until the day I die...God knows Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #91

Fine zipplewrath Jan 2018 #94

I see no reasonable argument...so I am not backing down from that. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #95

Your audience isn't making that choice zipplewrath Jan 2018 #97

It won't work. We have to run the best person we can...and if they don't vote for our candidates Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #98

That's what happened zipplewrath Jan 2018 #99

Voters with different ideas in a primary pick the candidate...that is the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #100

Neither zipplewrath Jan 2018 #101

In my experience when people talk about gravitas dsc Jan 2018 #89

The voters aren't, but... RealityChik Jan 2018 #63

Dont you be dissing Patty Murray ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #81

Please point me to evidence of that.. RealityChik Jan 2018 #96

Boink. Scurrilous Jan 2018 #64

Colin Kaepernick. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #67

co-signed Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #70

They are not. The Democratic Party is the American center-left party. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #73

It is no such thing. The Democratic party is the big tent party where there are differing views... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #75

Oh yeah. ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #76

... Scurrilous Jan 2018 #80

Meh. As Obama said, Let's look forward, not backwards. jalan48 Jan 2018 #93