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Ghost Owl

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179. Yes!

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:18 PM

Jan 2018

Totally agree. Yes, Franken did something wrong (the picture). Yes, he mistreated Tweeden. Yes, he should have to face consequences for it. But that incident in no way warrants kicking him out, forcing him out of his seat (which should only be for the most serious offenses, which they failed to prove Franken did).

It's like the Lewinsky scandal. Yes, Clinton did something wrong. He shouldn't have been messing around with an intern, nor encouraged her to lie about it under oath, and lied multiple times about it himself (I give him a pass for one of his depositions, the infamous one with the confusing language about what sex is, but he lied about it elsewhere, including under oath;but what you have to take into account with a perjury charge is what was the damage done because of the lie, and I don't think they proved any significant damage done, especially since Paula Jones had dropped her case by then). But it didn't reach impeachment level of Wrongness. Censure him, embarrass him, but lying about a BJ is not impeachment worthy. It's Peyton Place, not Watergate.

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Why Franken Had to Go (please read before lighting hair on fire) [View all] marble falls Jan 2018 OP

Did Franken mistreat women? dalton99a Jan 2018 #1

Yes. Shemp Howard Jan 2018 #28

Context Zambero Jan 2018 #63

It was satire! DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #80

Right on, Dem Mouse!!! Alice11111 Jan 2018 #83

Thank you Alice! DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #130

I agree, too many can't or won't see that it was satire! Kimchijeon Jan 2018 #113

Gone nuts, off the rails, agree. BTW, I spent my career Alice11111 Jan 2018 #184

And like with Hillary, America doesnt deserve brilliant, dedicated patriots like her or Al. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #126

and don't forget Al Gore Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 2018 #132

Pretending to molest a sleeping woman isn't funny pintobean Jan 2018 #133

Playing grabass on stage isn't funny either wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #141

Playing grab-ass requires willing participants and isn't a crime. pintobean Jan 2018 #147

Was the guy willing? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #148

A sexist notion perhaps? Zambero Jan 2018 #178

No, I was pointing out wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #186

Exactly Zambero Jan 2018 #190

To be honest wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #191

What has happened to reality and common sense? It was Alice11111 Jan 2018 #85

Of course Tweeden could have apologized for grabbing the musicians ass elias7 Jan 2018 #79

Yeah, like Trump apologizing. She also grabbed Alice11111 Jan 2018 #86

Well stated. I'm in pain and ashamed at the denial of due process Alice11111 Jan 2018 #81

NO HE DID NOT Skittles Jan 2018 #99

Do you think you convinced anyone? Shemp Howard Jan 2018 #189

I was a certified rape counselor years ago and am one of millions MeToo women and I disagree - lark Jan 2018 #100

That photo was obviously staged and Ms Tweeden was a willing participant! TheDebbieDee Jan 2018 #117

That photo was obviously staged .... and that should have come out publically IN THE INVESTIGATION trueblue2007 Jan 2018 #149

Yes! Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #179

It was all about power. Scruffy1 Jan 2018 #137

Meh. In my opinion the only delimma the Dems had was the one they created for themselves Ninga Jan 2018 #2

I agree, and it's curious how dmr Jan 2018 #64

Not over it. Never will be. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #87

No thanks. Laurian Jan 2018 #3

n/t rzemanfl Jan 2018 #4

Can we light our hair on fire when a GOPer wins his seat? leftstreet Jan 2018 #5

+1 disndat Jan 2018 #22

!!! Alice11111 Jan 2018 #94

this lunamagica Jan 2018 #101

It opened my eyes to flaws in a rush to judgement. gordianot Jan 2018 #6

Absolutely! Alice11111 Jan 2018 #95

true, there should not be a rush to judgement, but neither should there be a total dismissal of mult TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #116

The accusations shouldn't have been dismissed. They should have been investigated. dansolo Jan 2018 #121

Don't forget the one who told the Atlantic wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #142

Due process would have been nice. gordianot Jan 2018 #125

I still think there is some missing information Lurks Often Jan 2018 #7

The real lesson: Ratfucking works on Democrats. mn9driver Jan 2018 #8

+1 n/t. rzemanfl Jan 2018 #52

Yep, GOP RW won that round as they got us to trample Alice11111 Jan 2018 #97

So Democrats should only react to potential fake Republican outrage? Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #9

+++++ pangaia Jan 2018 #27

Agree. n/t ariadne0614 Jan 2018 #77

Democrat should be loyal to other Dems and withhold comment...no reason to force Conyers out before Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #109

They did try to do it to Schumer wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #144

BS heaven05 Jan 2018 #10

Because fighting about it is more damaging than resolving it. Because we have to meet standards... marble falls Jan 2018 #11

It wouldn't have been an issue if the lies were exposed dansolo Jan 2018 #34

Why weren't the lies exposed? Was it all 'fake news'? marble falls Jan 2018 #45

Why is that so... tonedevil Jan 2018 #89

How does engaging in injustice make delisen Jan 2018 #43

Love that bolded paragraph. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2018 #12

Yes its very simple concept. BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #88

I think this was a case of rampant mob rule. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #13

NO. AL FRANKEN DID NOT NEED TO GO AND SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE. democratisphere Jan 2018 #14

Why do you think Franken resigned? marble falls Jan 2018 #15

Ahh...... his fellow DEMOCRATIC Senators drove him out without cause. democratisphere Jan 2018 #24

He was frog marched to the podium and held at knife point until he made his resignation?.... marble falls Jan 2018 #42

We have to be more than single issues. democratisphere Jan 2018 #50

Exactly right. And this single distraction needed to be removed in a clear way to demonstrate a .... marble falls Jan 2018 #59

Pure Bullshit! nt USALiberal Jan 2018 #108

Just remember, Matt_R Jan 2018 #172

Um no Egnever Jan 2018 #51

The fearfulness of Dem Senators troubling delisen Jan 2018 #56

The number of braindead voting for Trump, McConnell, Ryan is much more troubling.... marble falls Jan 2018 #62

+1000000 Alice11111 Jan 2018 #93

Utter Nonsense Me. Jan 2018 #16

Why was that a bad thing? Did you read the paragraph in bold? marble falls Jan 2018 #17

When Did We Start Sacrificing Our Best For The Good Of The Party Me. Jan 2018 #19

The bold paragraph is total bullshit. pangaia Jan 2018 #29

So many reasons. Igel Jan 2018 #82

Fuck that bullshit. n/t demmiblue Jan 2018 #18

Ditto. eom Tipperary Jan 2018 #23

Ditto ditto elehhhhna Jan 2018 #65

+1 n/t wroberts189 Jan 2018 #145

Complete horseshit from beginning to end. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2018 #20

We don't seem to have the same qualms about Wall St. companies like Goldman Sachs. jalan48 Jan 2018 #21

All he has to say is..changed my mind folks! This RestoreAmerica2020 Jan 2018 #25

Maybe he has better things to do? Egnever Jan 2018 #49

I don't agree and find it interesting that no more women have come forward since his resignation tenderfoot Jan 2018 #26

And the ones that did.:. sfwriter Jan 2018 #32

I noticed that as well tenderfoot Jan 2018 #35

I also finding it interesting that some of the most vocal people calling BS on this... demmiblue Jan 2018 #46

No more women have come forward against Roy Moore or Donald Trump lately either mythology Jan 2018 #48

Because they all came forward at one time... tenderfoot Jan 2018 #61

Thanks for posting. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #30

I wanted Al Franken to stay, but I was also afraid of the amount of energy wasted arguing about.... marble falls Jan 2018 #33

It still is. dchill Jan 2018 #114

I am not beating my chest. I am not engaging in self-righteous indignation. pangaia Jan 2018 #36

Never said that YOU were. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #127

In America flotsam Jan 2018 #91

That is just naive. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #129

So political considerations are more important than inconvenient truths? dansolo Jan 2018 #168

Sometimes they are Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #183

To quote Al Franken, Giant of the Senate... "***" pangaia Jan 2018 #31

What a nasty piece of writing you've quoted here. Demit Jan 2018 #37

Exactly. Owl Jan 2018 #73

Total BS riverwalker Jan 2018 #38

Bullshit. nt DLevine Jan 2018 #39

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #40

Has anyone posted a list of those who pushed Franken out? July Jan 2018 #84

Here: dalton99a Jan 2018 #98

Al Franken was gaining the spotlight disndat Jan 2018 #105

So you'd vote GOP in 2020 if one of those calling for Franken to resign runs against Trump? crazycatlady Jan 2018 #119

Read. Hair still on fire. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #41

Nonsense opinion piece WyLoochka Jan 2018 #44

+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #54

Well said. lunamagica Jan 2018 #102

+1 revmclaren Jan 2018 #104

The moral high ground isn't worth squat when they have their boot on your neck. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #47

where exactly should dems draw the line then? serious question; obviously if dems decide that all mo TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #118

We're trying to survive, not win. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #123

we needed to sacrifice our first born because...why? samnsara Jan 2018 #53

To placate black female voters in Alabama - "Either Franken goes or we'll vote for Roy Moore" dalton99a Jan 2018 #58

LOL MoonRiver Jan 2018 #70

. lunamagica Jan 2018 #103

republican blake farenthold paid out $84,000 of OUR money to his victim and still sits in the House spanone Jan 2018 #55

Worst.Post.Ever ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #57

It is encouraging that when slop like this gets posted only a grantcart Jan 2018 #66

I'm catching more than a whiff of an agenda on this one. democratisphere Jan 2018 #68

As Someone Else Here Pointed Out... JimGinPA Jan 2018 #60

Imo should be in that title somewhere Fullduplexxx Jan 2018 #67

Drivel. The 3rd option to that false dilemma was to take firm action via the ethics investigation. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2018 #69

Total BS. Owl Jan 2018 #71

We should not forget the Bengazi hearings loyalsister Jan 2018 #72

Love how you put due process in quotes, like it's not really a thing. Demit Jan 2018 #90

Due process is not a thing in hostile congressional investigations loyalsister Jan 2018 #92

In your playbook, Clinton would have folded b/c of "damaging content." Demit Jan 2018 #122

"courage" that only impresses loyalists loyalsister Jan 2018 #185

Before theft-proof car radios Turbineguy Jan 2018 #74

Simple: "They go low, we go high" TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #75

Nonsense BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #76

My hair is fine. LWolf Jan 2018 #78

You are describing his "transgrassions"' as if they have been proven to be true dansolo Jan 2018 #169

I'm not describing his transgressions at all. LWolf Jan 2018 #182

I don't agree with 'long-term' games janterry Jan 2018 #96

I'm now lighting my hair on fire. Vinca Jan 2018 #106

I wouldn't pack his bags...that is up to him and Minnesota unless he broke the law which he did not. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #110

This entire argument is bullshit...the GOP and their followers don't care about decency... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #107

None of this makes any sense because there was no investigation and no hearing or any charges wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #111

Complete bullshit ornotna Jan 2018 #112

This Post Begins With An Insult. That Tells Us Quite a Bit About The Author and Their Agenda dlk Jan 2018 #115

Notice that the allegations have stopped, though. alarimer Jan 2018 #120

What absolute, unadulterated bullshit. NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #124

Nance, do we need this? Cary Jan 2018 #128

Yes, Cary, we DO need this. NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #136

+1. One cannot pretend nothing happened. dalton99a Jan 2018 #173

If friendly fire kills you flotsam Jan 2018 #152

I am very much alive, thank you Cary Jan 2018 #153

And one of our finest Senators flotsam Jan 2018 #154

Al Franken decided to resign Cary Jan 2018 #155

Not while any of the backstabbers hold office! flotsam Jan 2018 #156

You don't get it Cary Jan 2018 #157

Yeah-you go ahead and believe that flotsam Jan 2018 #160

Sorry, but I have no obligation to toe your line Cary Jan 2018 #162

I merely stated my opinion flotsam Jan 2018 #164

I agree with Nance, we DO need this lunamagica Jan 2018 #158

I think many "conservatives" agree Cary Jan 2018 #159

Gillibrand and her followers started this. Don't blame anyone else lunamagica Jan 2018 #161

"Started this" Cary Jan 2018 #163

Really? Losing a real Democratic warrior in the senate will not help us defeat Republicans lunamagica Jan 2018 #165

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #166

The stick our heads in the sand strategy. That always works! n/t kcr Jan 2018 #187

+1 wroberts189 Jan 2018 #143

He announced his plan to resign after prominent Democrats refused to let him defend himself, through still_one Jan 2018 #131

What happens when anonymous women come forward with allegations against other Democrats? nclib Jan 2018 #134

I respectfully disagree. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #135

I STILL adamantly disagree but... RealityChik Jan 2018 #138

I note that this article is dated Dec. 7, nearly a month ago... JHB Jan 2018 #139

Good point. And this issue still has not be fully addressed by leadership flamingdem Jan 2018 #140

Kirsten Gillibrand asked if her good friends husband Anthony Weiner CentralMass Jan 2018 #146

That has hypocrisy written all over her face. OnDoutside Jan 2018 #167

Priceless dalton99a Jan 2018 #171

She never said Weiner was her good friend pintobean Jan 2018 #174

Thank you for pointing out that good friend comment. I corrected it. CentralMass Jan 2018 #180

Hypocrisy and political opportunism are terms that come to mind. CentralMass Jan 2018 #188

Here we see what she is all about. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #175

Interesting. n/t demmiblue Jan 2018 #176

Wow. What hypocrisy. MINNESOTA voters decided who they wanted in R B Garr Jan 2018 #181

Sorry but it's not as black and white as you have portrayed it to be. politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #150

I am angry and I will never be "over it". rainin Jan 2018 #151

Let's make one thing clear GaryCnf Jan 2018 #170

That article is totally off the mark. Lack of williness to fight for truth took down Franken bitterross Jan 2018 #177

Franken's resignation was part of the efforts to stop the investigation into Trump's treason. Tatiana Jan 2018 #192

Goddamned FALSE EQUIVALENCY. Ask Roger Fucking Stone about his "political hit job." VOX Jan 2018 #193