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9. That's not necessarily true, but EVEN IF IT WERE
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:52 PM
Jan 2018

I can assure you that Democrats have been "losing" elections they didn't really lose since at least 2000. The real problem in FL 2000 wasn't hanging chads, but rigged electronic scanners. And things have gotten worse and worse as time has worn on.

Virginia won LANDSLIDES with paper ballots this year. Yes, turnout was great, but I'm convinced that wasn't all there was to it.

Here's some food for thought, and this is just one example. There are thousands of examples - not all of them at the Presidential level - for nearly 2 decades now. The unverifiable, innately (purposely) hackable electronic voting machines (with "proprietary software" the mfgrs will NOT allow anyone to review ever for any reason, even suspected fraud) are a tremendous danger to our democracy:

PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.



Jon Ossoff didn't lose his election either.

Jon Ossoff, the Democratic newcomer who ran against Republican former Secretary of State Karen Handel, won the absentee vote 64% to 36%. That vote was conducted on paper ballots that were mailed in and scanned on optical scanners. Ossoff also won the early voting 51% to 49%. Those results closely mirror recent polls that had him ahead by 1-3 points. In the highest of those polls, he was ahead by 7% with 5% undecided and a 4% margin of error.

On Election Day, Handel pulled out a whopping 16 percent lead, for a crushing 58% to 42% division of the day’s votes. That means that all 5% of the undecided voters broke for Handel, the poll was off by its farthest estimate and another 3.5% of Ossoff’s voters switched sides into her camp. All this despite Ossoff’s intensive door-to-door ground offensive that Garland Favorito, who lives in the heart of the sixth district called the “most massive operation” he’s ever seen. Favorito is the founder of VoterGA, a nonpartisan election reform group. He said Handel had signs up, but her canvassing operation didn’t approach Ossoff’s.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/georgia-question-6th-district-election-results/



There's a reason, btw, that exit polls are used around the world to detect election fraud, and they were considered reliable here too UNTIL they started showing problems that were actually there but media didn't want to believe, so didn't. Now the problem is so bad that I actually heard a political pundit say during election night in Alabama, "Oh, exit polls -- always unreliable." NO, always quite reliable.

Ossoff's election results got challenged:


Lawsuit seeks to void Georgia congressional election results
July 4, 2017
Georgia’s electronic touchscreen voting system is so riddled with problems that the results of the most expensive House race in U.S. history should be tossed out and a new election held, according to a lawsuit filed by a government watchdog group and six Georgia voters.

The new lawsuit comes weeks after the publication of a classified National Security Agency report describing a sophisticated scheme, allegedly by Russian military intelligence, to infiltrate local U.S. elections systems using phishing emails.

The suit cites the work of private cybersecurity researcher Logan Lamb, who discovered last August that a misconfigured server had left Georgia’s 6.7 million voter records and other sensitive files exposed to hackers. The complaint also notes that seven months after Lamb made that discovery, another researcher was able to do the same.

A spokeswoman for Kemp did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday. But in a column Sunday in USA Today, Kemp blamed the news media for developing "false narratives about Russian hacking and potential vulnerabilities in the system. The prevailing plot line is that states like Georgia can’t provide suitable security for elections."

Kemp asserted that states are doing enough to keep elections secure, and he said, "Anything to the contrary is fake news."

Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, said the lawsuit was filed hours ahead of a deadline at midnight Monday to contest the election. She says the group does election integrity work in multiple states.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2017/07/04/lawsuit-seeks-to-void-georgia-congressional-election-results/


And then the funniest damn thing happened -- the folks at Kennesaw University who were in charge of safeguarding the election results up and erased them!! Purposely. That was so bad that the state's Attorney General, no friend of voters, stepped down from representing the good people who did that in the law suit.

I hope you'll take the time -- and interest -- to explore the matter in more depth. There's a statistician in Kansas who has uncovered "impossible" statistical anomalies in their voting. And, of course, TPTB won't let her proceed (get records to validate her work? testify to state lege? both? Memory fails me on this one).

And didn't we hear during the early election that Clinton in FL and some other state had enough of a margin in absentee ballots alone to ensure that she'd win those states?

On Twitter, @jennycohn1 is an attorney who's good to follow, tho I just discovered her so don't have anything to share yet, really.

Bradblog.com -- go back to his archives during any of the elections. Greg Palast, who has some YouTube videos linked to on his site (see right column, bottom) http://www.gregpalast.com/ . A couple of interest groups that escape me at the moment. Ohio's been a hotbed of election corrupton with voting machines since George W and Ken Blackwell. Lots of info on that out there, tho it's old.

Here's a little more info for you:

Hackers breach dozens of voting machines brought to conference


Voting Machine Security Data security and foreign policy analysts talked about the findings of a DEF CON report on the vulnerabilities of voting machines and other election equipment used throughout the U.S. DEF CON is an annual conference held annually in Las Vegas, Nevada. In this discussion the panelists focused on the broader national security implications following reports of Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Speakers included DEF CON founder Jeff Moss and Douglas Lute, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO.
This event was co-hosted by DEF CON and the Atlantic Council.


Hacker demonstrates how voting machines can be compromised


This just barely scratches the surface. There is a TON of info out there.






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The Russian interference isn't in the voting booth Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #1
I disagree leftieNanner Jan 2018 #7
Absolutely correct! dchill Jan 2018 #8
That's not necessarily true, but EVEN IF IT WERE RandomAccess Jan 2018 #9
I have. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #19
Well I've got some good news and some bad news. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #40
thank you; you have to wonder why some people are so determined to keep the vote counting process TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #36
no one checked the machines,so we don't really know questionseverything Jan 2018 #10
If you understand how the machines, and the process work, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #22
you have no idea what you are talking about; clearly YOU couldn't hack those machines, but i think TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #35
Maybe no *individual* votes were flipped, but.... lastlib Jan 2018 #21
You would have to change not only the total at the tally location, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #23
i have done vote total comparisons from county clerks to state results and questionseverything Jan 2018 #25
example questionseverything Jan 2018 #27
ok, i'm not a computer expert, and i don't think you are either, but here is the $64K question, TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #34
It's a trivial problem if it's done at the central processor level instead of in voting machines. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #42
how are you going to find evidence of machine hacking when it is never investigated? and no one is TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #37
I 100% agreee with you. Takket Jan 2018 #51
There must be access to system logs where vote counting is being done.... Rene Jan 2018 #2
Rogue States like Alabama? brooklynite Jan 2018 #4
why do you have such a problem with citizens wanting to oversee their own elections? questionseverything Jan 2018 #11
I have no objection at all... brooklynite Jan 2018 #13
the op is about getting rid of paperless voting machines questionseverything Jan 2018 #15
I didn't respond to the OP; I responded to a comment about vote flipping... brooklynite Jan 2018 #18
post 9 has loads of evidence questionseverything Jan 2018 #24
Post 9 has loads of allegations... brooklynite Jan 2018 #26
i fully admit most pols treat election integrity like the 3rd rail questionseverything Jan 2018 #28
what makes you think there needs to be a large conspiracy? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #32
regardless of your arguments, computerized voting equipment does NOT meet the burden of proof that diva77 Jan 2018 #38
exactly diva questionseverything Jan 2018 #46
yep; it really makes you wonder. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #33
Wouldve been nice if they listened to us in 2007 when there was a lot less at stake Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #3
It would have been nicer if they'd listened in 2003, when they passed out the HAVA dough. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #43
Wouldve been nice if they listened Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #44
Hopefully not too little too late... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #5
The GOP will never go for it. They know they need to cheat to win. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #6
it isn't just the gop questionseverything Jan 2018 #12
That doesn't say "high level dnc types" or any Dem is against this bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #14
i am refering to posters here at du, which if i understand the rules i am not allowed to name questionseverything Jan 2018 #16
I have seen no posters on DU opposing paper ballots. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #20
there are plenty of dems who apparently think the present counting system is fine; if you are not TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #31
Not realizing there is a problem is VERY different than opposing a paper ballots bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #39
the 1st response and the 4th response in this thread seem to oppose questionseverything Jan 2018 #45
i'm sure 99% here are for paper ballots bluestarone Jan 2018 #47
All voting should be paper ballots hand counted.......... BlueJac Jan 2018 #17
this. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #30
Well, we would have a humongous Puzzledtraveller Jan 2018 #48
hand-counting votes does not require/imply a direct democracy. but yes, many would oppose having TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #49
we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #29
KnR Hekate Jan 2018 #41
Kick ck4829 Jan 2018 #50
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #52
Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan mountain grammy Jan 2018 #53
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