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Ms. Toad

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23. You would have to change not only the total at the tally location,

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 04:59 PM

Jan 2018

but it would need to be changed at each individual machine to match the overall tally.

It would need to be done in county after county - with the cooperation of hundreds of local election officials (for a presidential race), or at least tens (for a statewide race), without anyone spilling the beans election after election for the decade and a half that people have been suggesting that elections were hacked.

I agree as to the attacks on multiple fronts (propaganda, voting roll purges, photo ID laws). Those all need our attention.

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New Bill Aims To Get Rid Of Paperless Voting Machines [View all] UCmeNdc Jan 2018 OP

The Russian interference isn't in the voting booth Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #1

I disagree leftieNanner Jan 2018 #7

Absolutely correct! dchill Jan 2018 #8

That's not necessarily true, but EVEN IF IT WERE RandomAccess Jan 2018 #9

I have. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #19

Well I've got some good news and some bad news. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #40

thank you; you have to wonder why some people are so determined to keep the vote counting process TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #36

no one checked the machines,so we don't really know questionseverything Jan 2018 #10

If you understand how the machines, and the process work, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #22

you have no idea what you are talking about; clearly YOU couldn't hack those machines, but i think TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #35

Maybe no *individual* votes were flipped, but.... lastlib Jan 2018 #21

You would have to change not only the total at the tally location, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #23

i have done vote total comparisons from county clerks to state results and questionseverything Jan 2018 #25

example questionseverything Jan 2018 #27

ok, i'm not a computer expert, and i don't think you are either, but here is the $64K question, TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #34

It's a trivial problem if it's done at the central processor level instead of in voting machines. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #42

how are you going to find evidence of machine hacking when it is never investigated? and no one is TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #37

I 100% agreee with you. Takket Jan 2018 #51

There must be access to system logs where vote counting is being done.... Rene Jan 2018 #2

Rogue States like Alabama? brooklynite Jan 2018 #4

why do you have such a problem with citizens wanting to oversee their own elections? questionseverything Jan 2018 #11

I have no objection at all... brooklynite Jan 2018 #13

the op is about getting rid of paperless voting machines questionseverything Jan 2018 #15

I didn't respond to the OP; I responded to a comment about vote flipping... brooklynite Jan 2018 #18

post 9 has loads of evidence questionseverything Jan 2018 #24

Post 9 has loads of allegations... brooklynite Jan 2018 #26

i fully admit most pols treat election integrity like the 3rd rail questionseverything Jan 2018 #28

what makes you think there needs to be a large conspiracy? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #32

regardless of your arguments, computerized voting equipment does NOT meet the burden of proof that diva77 Jan 2018 #38

exactly diva questionseverything Jan 2018 #46

yep; it really makes you wonder. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #33

Wouldve been nice if they listened to us in 2007 when there was a lot less at stake Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #3

It would have been nicer if they'd listened in 2003, when they passed out the HAVA dough. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #43

Wouldve been nice if they listened Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #44

Hopefully not too little too late... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #5

The GOP will never go for it. They know they need to cheat to win. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #6

it isn't just the gop questionseverything Jan 2018 #12

That doesn't say "high level dnc types" or any Dem is against this bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #14

i am refering to posters here at du, which if i understand the rules i am not allowed to name questionseverything Jan 2018 #16

I have seen no posters on DU opposing paper ballots. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #20

there are plenty of dems who apparently think the present counting system is fine; if you are not TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #31

Not realizing there is a problem is VERY different than opposing a paper ballots bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #39

the 1st response and the 4th response in this thread seem to oppose questionseverything Jan 2018 #45

i'm sure 99% here are for paper ballots bluestarone Jan 2018 #47

All voting should be paper ballots hand counted.......... BlueJac Jan 2018 #17

this. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #30

Well, we would have a humongous Puzzledtraveller Jan 2018 #48

hand-counting votes does not require/imply a direct democracy. but yes, many would oppose having TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #49

we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #29

KnR Hekate Jan 2018 #41

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Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan mountain grammy Jan 2018 #53