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diva77

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38. regardless of your arguments, computerized voting equipment does NOT meet the burden of proof that

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 07:01 PM

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it cannot be hacked. It is NOT transparent; your vote cannot be guaranteed to be cast in private and tabulated in public. That ALONE should be enough to do away with this proprietary, corporate owned equipment (the software is proprietary). Germany banned the equipment for such reasons.

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New Bill Aims To Get Rid Of Paperless Voting Machines [View all] UCmeNdc Jan 2018 OP

The Russian interference isn't in the voting booth Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #1

I disagree leftieNanner Jan 2018 #7

Absolutely correct! dchill Jan 2018 #8

That's not necessarily true, but EVEN IF IT WERE RandomAccess Jan 2018 #9

I have. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #19

Well I've got some good news and some bad news. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #40

thank you; you have to wonder why some people are so determined to keep the vote counting process TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #36

no one checked the machines,so we don't really know questionseverything Jan 2018 #10

If you understand how the machines, and the process work, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #22

you have no idea what you are talking about; clearly YOU couldn't hack those machines, but i think TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #35

Maybe no *individual* votes were flipped, but.... lastlib Jan 2018 #21

You would have to change not only the total at the tally location, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #23

i have done vote total comparisons from county clerks to state results and questionseverything Jan 2018 #25

example questionseverything Jan 2018 #27

ok, i'm not a computer expert, and i don't think you are either, but here is the $64K question, TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #34

It's a trivial problem if it's done at the central processor level instead of in voting machines. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #42

how are you going to find evidence of machine hacking when it is never investigated? and no one is TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #37

I 100% agreee with you. Takket Jan 2018 #51

There must be access to system logs where vote counting is being done.... Rene Jan 2018 #2

Rogue States like Alabama? brooklynite Jan 2018 #4

why do you have such a problem with citizens wanting to oversee their own elections? questionseverything Jan 2018 #11

I have no objection at all... brooklynite Jan 2018 #13

the op is about getting rid of paperless voting machines questionseverything Jan 2018 #15

I didn't respond to the OP; I responded to a comment about vote flipping... brooklynite Jan 2018 #18

post 9 has loads of evidence questionseverything Jan 2018 #24

Post 9 has loads of allegations... brooklynite Jan 2018 #26

i fully admit most pols treat election integrity like the 3rd rail questionseverything Jan 2018 #28

what makes you think there needs to be a large conspiracy? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #32

regardless of your arguments, computerized voting equipment does NOT meet the burden of proof that diva77 Jan 2018 #38

exactly diva questionseverything Jan 2018 #46

yep; it really makes you wonder. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #33

Wouldve been nice if they listened to us in 2007 when there was a lot less at stake Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #3

It would have been nicer if they'd listened in 2003, when they passed out the HAVA dough. hedda_foil Jan 2018 #43

Wouldve been nice if they listened Tiggeroshii Jan 2018 #44

Hopefully not too little too late... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #5

The GOP will never go for it. They know they need to cheat to win. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #6

it isn't just the gop questionseverything Jan 2018 #12

That doesn't say "high level dnc types" or any Dem is against this bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #14

i am refering to posters here at du, which if i understand the rules i am not allowed to name questionseverything Jan 2018 #16

I have seen no posters on DU opposing paper ballots. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #20

there are plenty of dems who apparently think the present counting system is fine; if you are not TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #31

Not realizing there is a problem is VERY different than opposing a paper ballots bill. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #39

the 1st response and the 4th response in this thread seem to oppose questionseverything Jan 2018 #45

i'm sure 99% here are for paper ballots bluestarone Jan 2018 #47

All voting should be paper ballots hand counted.......... BlueJac Jan 2018 #17

this. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #30

Well, we would have a humongous Puzzledtraveller Jan 2018 #48

hand-counting votes does not require/imply a direct democracy. but yes, many would oppose having TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #49

we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #29

KnR Hekate Jan 2018 #41

Kick ck4829 Jan 2018 #50

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Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan mountain grammy Jan 2018 #53