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148. Good point. Certainly made me think twice about ever voting for Kirsten Gillibrand.

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 08:55 PM

Jan 2018

I'll do it if I'm stuck with her as the nominee, because I DON'T believe in sitting out ANY election, no matter how small, I DON'T believe in voting for anyone but a Democrat, and I DON'T believe in writing somebody else's name in because the candidate is somehow not perfect.

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Michael Tomasky: Senator Al Frankens Resignation Is Deeply Unfair [View all] babylonsister Jan 2018 OP

Al Franken was the most effective senator in fighting the trump admin JI7 Jan 2018 #1

+1 disndat Jan 2018 #4

GOP public enemy #1 aeromanKC Jan 2018 #27

News Just In disndat Jan 2018 #39

Link to that bullshit statement? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #59

I dunno about MSNBC talking about this Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #69

That has nothing to do with what the poster stated. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #70

??? Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #80

The poster was bullshitting. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #89

I never said I was corroborating Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #116

So, I ask someone to prove a bullshit statement, Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #140

You seem upset Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #151

It is 100% unrelated from what the post I responded to claimed. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #153

For sure. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #177

Yes, he was. zentrum Jan 2018 #158

Actually Franken voted with Trump 25% of the time. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #186

Good essay that asks a vital question: Demit Jan 2018 #2

So now we're in a box where Democrats will never let the process play out. enough Jan 2018 #6

All you have to do is accuse and get the Democrat to apologize... brooklynite Jan 2018 #20

I suspect we're in a box Bettie Jan 2018 #86

Agree. It's zentrum Jan 2018 #160

Complete hit job. How did Roger Stone know about the Tweeden story a day before it broke? VOX Jan 2018 #3

Yes Tipperary Jan 2018 #5

Courage would be good. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #7

makes ya wonder if any of those senators are on our side or not questionseverything Jan 2018 #122

Yeah, I kind of felt that disgust too. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #124

As soon as I hear the phrase "zero tolerance", PatSeg Jan 2018 #8

Same here. Owl Jan 2018 #11

I totally agree. THe Me Too movement is a double edged sword for progressives. And I have Amaryllis Jan 2018 #161

The bolded part is not actually true oberliner Jan 2018 #9

Bullshit ollie10 Jan 2018 #10

Well said! MoonRiver Jan 2018 #12

Do you think his statements were wise? oberliner Jan 2018 #16

He asked for and deserved due process, i.e. an Ethics Committee investigation. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #21

The Senate Ethics Committee is a terrible place for sexual harassment investigations oberliner Jan 2018 #44

So, instead of trying to improve the process, we should just railroad people out of office? MoonRiver Jan 2018 #50

I don't think he was railroaded out of office oberliner Jan 2018 #57

I think we fundamentally disagree on this issue. But that's ok. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #58

Top marks to you for even trying to respond. OnDoutside Jan 2018 #71

Thanks. I feel pretty passionately about this. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #72

Many of us feel the same. Scratch that actually.... OnDoutside Jan 2018 #74

I agree, and will leave it at that. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #76

Senator Al Franken Admits He Crossed a Line in Light of New Allegations (Nov 24) oberliner Jan 2018 #14

I make of that statement that Franken is a good person who got railroaded by Gillibrand ollie10 Jan 2018 #23

I agree with you. True Blue American Jan 2018 #34

The Senate Ethics Committee is BS oberliner Jan 2018 #47

So the choice you give us is railroad someone without any sort of hearing? ollie10 Jan 2018 #85

Or he could have not resigned oberliner Jan 2018 #90

Because of the Gillebrand lynch mob, he had little choice..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #94

I don't agree with your characterization of Gillibrand oberliner Jan 2018 #95

wow....just wow! ollie10 Jan 2018 #96

I respectfully disagree with your continued maligning of Gillibrand oberliner Jan 2018 #99

It seems to me the one who was maligned was Franken.... ollie10 Jan 2018 #119

I would not vote for Gillibrand True Blue American Jan 2018 #180

She is better than Trump but...nominate her and Trump will win ollie10 Jan 2018 #185

Which would have cued up you and a few other posters here Denzil_DC Jan 2018 #100

Maybe so oberliner Jan 2018 #104

So that must make Franken guilty in your book Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #113

I don't know if he is guilty or not oberliner Jan 2018 #114

Tina Dupuy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #118

Point taken oberliner Jan 2018 #181

He is not. Since the Dems didn't give him an investigation, Alice11111 Jan 2018 #178

What do I make of that statement? Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #67

all very well said (since I agree with you completely :) ! ) renate Jan 2018 #82

Your points are taken oberliner Jan 2018 #92

That's fair and I do agree that the question of Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #121

If you hug me without consent, then it is sexual harrassment. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #97

So when my mom hugs me without consent Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #120

If you hug someone against their will, it is indeed Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #139

Affectionate does not equal Sexual Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #149

There is nuance... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #155

Dude really? Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #156

Parents also kiss their children, which is not sexual. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #159

You're ignoring that they asked Franken to pose with them. People usually put an arm... brush Jan 2018 #165

No it isn't and your claim is offensive to those who are victims of sexual harassment. kcr Jan 2018 #150

So it's OK to hug someone without their permission? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #152

It's not the convention to ask permission for hugs because they aren't sexual in nature. kcr Jan 2018 #187

Unwanted touching is unwanted touching. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2018 #194

He is not obviously in the wrong. Fuck that. Waist hugging is now sexual assault? brush Jan 2018 #163

What do you make that since he announced his resignation, no further accusations have been made? still_one Jan 2018 #79

I don't know what to make of that oberliner Jan 2018 #91

Of course there was. When a group of prominent Senate Democrats comes out publically still_one Jan 2018 #98

They all said he had the right to an investigation oberliner Jan 2018 #101

You are making an excuse for them. They MADE IT PUBLIC, to pressure him to resign, it is that still_one Jan 2018 #108

These are well-respected Democratic Senators who deserve the benefit of the doubt oberliner Jan 2018 #141

Sorry for the vulgarity, but that is bullshit. They were wrong on this, just as those Democratic still_one Jan 2018 #145

I am not saying that whatever they do must be right oberliner Jan 2018 #182

Ah, not quite. I work as a contracted consultant. haele Jan 2018 #138

Franken absolutely could've continued and could've been effective oberliner Jan 2018 #142

Just that Al is too nice, they counted on it. Kimchijeon Jan 2018 #103

Yeah, he can't work with THESE democrats wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #164

What I get from that statement is that Al is a hugger LoveMyCali Jan 2018 #123

That's a misreading of his apology ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #13

I posted the statement above oberliner Jan 2018 #15

How would YOU dispute anonymous accusations from strangers from 10 years ago? Demit Jan 2018 #24

A few things that should be able to be said definitively oberliner Jan 2018 #51

You forget the photo session with Arianna Huffington. Demit Jan 2018 #78

This reply is a good illustration of the Gillibrand Rule mn9driver Jan 2018 #26

I don't think you are being fair to Gillibrand oberliner Jan 2018 #53

"I crossed a line for some women" ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #29

I understand what you are saying oberliner Jan 2018 #55

we'll never know the facts ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #66

Points taken oberliner Jan 2018 #93

cheers. We definitely agree on that ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #102

Why didn't Al just wait for ethics investgation? RiverStone Jan 2018 #81

The only thing I can think of, the only thing that makes any sense at all ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #87

Agree. Unfortunately, this was exactly what I thought too RiverStone Jan 2018 #125

Maybe because unlike many of his colleagues Egnever Jan 2018 #188

Would you work with people who openly betray you wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #166

It would be difficult, but if I felt the penalty far exceeded the crime RiverStone Jan 2018 #174

That assumes he feels it worth fighting for Egnever Jan 2018 #189

Al was facing a large contingent of colleagues lined up against him summer_in_TX Jan 2018 #176

No it isn't actually true Progressive dog Jan 2018 #38

He DID publicly challenge most of the accusations Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #61

No, he didn't oberliner Jan 2018 #65

You are making... tonedevil Jan 2018 #128

Absolutely not oberliner Jan 2018 #143

Dupuy accused Franken of squeezing her waist wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #168

Thank you ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #88

He was being his nice guy self WyLoochka Jan 2018 #175

... Lucinda Jan 2018 #17

Great. Cary Jan 2018 #18

What victory are you sighing about? Demit Jan 2018 #33

You are so negative Cary Jan 2018 #35

Everything that Democrats do is by defintion right, and must be praised. Crunchy Frog Jan 2018 #63

Oh noes, Crunchy Frog, I fear you are "droning on!" Demit Jan 2018 #83

Yes. Gillibrand and Co. are good Crunchy Frog Jan 2018 #62

There is a great deal of anger and disgust about this among solid Democratic Party voters mn9driver Jan 2018 #19

I couldn't agree more with all that you've written. ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #32

Well stated dalton99a Jan 2018 #36

K&R. dchill Jan 2018 #22

Our party will be forever weaker with his departure and absence. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #25

This expresses my feelings exactly. This issue will not go away for me. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #28

Yes disndat Jan 2018 #45

Unfortunately, Warren was one of those calling for Franken's ouster. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #46

Zephyr slammed disndat Jan 2018 #60

"The main point is that Franken didnt have a chance to defend himself." - sure he did. PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #30

People who are saying he made a choice are being disingenuous in the extreme. Demit Jan 2018 #40

He said he made a choice and gave the reason for it. You are basically saying he was lying. n /t PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #49

Oh, FFS. I understand politician-speak, even if you don't. Demit Jan 2018 #84

Exactly. When the leader of the party tells you to go, you have no choice. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #54

because the majority of Dem Caucus had rejected him delisen Jan 2018 #109

Gillibrand not only True Blue American Jan 2018 #31

She has every potential to be another Lieberman dalton99a Jan 2018 #37

is anybody else saying this: Chipper Chat Jan 2018 #48

That's only because it's BS. OnDoutside Jan 2018 #73

I will never vote for her in a primary Bettie Jan 2018 #117

She's an opportunistic hypocrite. I'd rather have one Franken than ten Gillibrands in the Senate lunamagica Jan 2018 #126

Another glass is whine SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #41

IMV, this is the most disturbing and harmful event of 2017. ananda Jan 2018 #42

On scant credible evidence his 35 so-called colleagues publicly denounced him and declared him unfit dalton99a Jan 2018 #52

Ranks right up there with the appointment of... 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #64

as long as dems let 1500 radio stations decide what is and isn't acceptable things certainot Jan 2018 #43

Franken chose not to stick around for that fair process Progressive dog Jan 2018 #56

Utter nonsense Taraman Jan 2018 #68

How you interpreted what I wrote is utter nonsense Progressive dog Jan 2018 #171

If Gillibrand decides to run for President we need to remind Democrats about the Franken fiasco. jalan48 Jan 2018 #75

No, we don't oberliner Jan 2018 #105

No thanks. She would lose and we can't afford that. jalan48 Jan 2018 #106

Post 75 said actions have consequences SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #107

If her judgment -- and sensitivities -- AND commitment to due process RandomAccess Jan 2018 #112

Kamala Harris called on Franken to resign, as did Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, and Bernie Sanders oberliner Jan 2018 #135

+1 onenote Jan 2018 #144

She's an opportunistic hypocrite lunamagica Jan 2018 #127

+1000 (nt) scarletwoman Jan 2018 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author oberliner Jan 2018 #184

Nope wellst0nev0ter Jan 2018 #169

No remind will be necessary. Raster Jan 2018 #133

The consequence of this action will be what exactly? oberliner Jan 2018 #183

The end of her political advancement Egnever Jan 2018 #190

It was a hit job. Greybnk48 Jan 2018 #77

We are in the fight for our country & the dems decided to take the moral high ground, CrispyQ Jan 2018 #110

John Phillips and Roger Stone riverwalker Jan 2018 #111

And don't forget disndat Jan 2018 #136

Still smells, still a set-up, still wrong cp Jan 2018 #115

++++ heaven05 Jan 2018 #129

Reid would never have let Dems in the Senate get so egregiously rolled. stuffmatters Jan 2018 #130

SHAME on the DUers who supported this bullisht Skittles Jan 2018 #131

And the Senators ....does anyone know which Dem Senators did NOT join the mobbing? stuffmatters Jan 2018 #134

Im still too disgusted by the whole Democrat attack on Al Franken BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #132

Its beyond unfair. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #137

Sure he did! tavernier Jan 2018 #147

Good point. Certainly made me think twice about ever voting for Kirsten Gillibrand. calimary Jan 2018 #148

Pretty sure you wont be stuck with her. tavernier Jan 2018 #173

When you are a senator that isnt defending yourself. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #154

Franken did ask for True Blue American Jan 2018 #179

So the me too movement was bullshit Egnever Jan 2018 #192

Franken Was Removed For a Reason-Kompromat Played a Central Role dlk Jan 2018 #146

Deeply unfair and zentrum Jan 2018 #157

I will never get over what was done to Franken. scarletwoman Jan 2018 #167

+1000 dflprincess Jan 2018 #170

Talk about bad optics flamingdem Jan 2018 #172

Franken had a chance to defend himself. He chose not to. Orsino Jan 2018 #191

Do explain how Egnever Jan 2018 #193

That he doesn't feel the job important enough to fight for is a mark against his innocence. Orsino Jan 2018 #195

How is it a mark against his innocence? Egnever Jan 2018 #196

I haven't seen a sign that the GOP ever intends to open the harrassment can of worms. Orsino Jan 2018 #197