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In reply to the discussion: Stochastic Terrorism [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)136. Is your problem with nadin's OP above , G2Geek's DK post, or Paul Rosenberg at OpenLeft?
I've read all three. Here's Rosenberg at DKOS citing G2Geek:
http://www.openleft.com/diary/21377/stochastic-terrorisma-powerful-highly-accurate-new-meme
"Stochastic Terrorism"--A powerful, highly accurate new meme
by: Paul Rosenberg
Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 12:00
In a recent discussion thread, Sadie Baker called attention to a very important DKos diary with a powerful new meme, "Stochastic Terrorism". The diarist has been using the term for some time now, and many others have described this process as well. But the time has never been ripe before for this particular picture-perfect formulation to gel. Now, however, the time is ripe--it cuts through so much BS all at once (particularly the way that individualist assumptions and framing cloud people's understanding), and puts the facts together most succinctly:
I would actually disagree with this last paragraph. There's not a conspiracy in any sort of clock-and-dagger sense. But there's definitely a long-term strategic plan. There's a hegemonic struggle. And it's not just "individuals". There are entire media organizations based around pushing these sorts of provocations on a regular basis. The provocations to violence are only one part of a wider range of provocations, all of them couched within a framework of conservative victimology.
But that's an issue which is considerably more complicated to deal with and explain. What can be said is that the stochastic terrorism model doesn't require any sort of conspiracy--no activist cells, no on-the-ground organizations for the FBI to track down and infiltrate, etc. So we can just set that whole issue aside for the purposes of discussing stochastic terrorism in and of itself.
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"Stochastic Terrorism"--A powerful, highly accurate new meme
by: Paul Rosenberg
Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 12:00
In a recent discussion thread, Sadie Baker called attention to a very important DKos diary with a powerful new meme, "Stochastic Terrorism". The diarist has been using the term for some time now, and many others have described this process as well. But the time has never been ripe before for this particular picture-perfect formulation to gel. Now, however, the time is ripe--it cuts through so much BS all at once (particularly the way that individualist assumptions and framing cloud people's understanding), and puts the facts together most succinctly:
Stochastic Terrorism: Triggering the shooters.
by G2geek
Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:37:39 PM PST
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to stir up random lone wolves to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable.
This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.
This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings.
Update: the mechanism spelled out.
(This update is to resolve some ambiguity.)
The person who actually plants the bomb or assassinates the public official is not the stochastic terrorist, they are the "missile" set in motion by the stochastic terrorist. The stochastic terrorist is the person who uses mass media as their means of setting those "missiles" in motion.
Here's the mechanism spelled out concisely:
The stochastic terrorist is the person who uses mass media to broadcast memes that incite unstable people to commit violent acts.
One or more unstable people responds to the incitement by becoming a lone wolf and committing a violent act. While their action may have been statistically predictable (e.g. "given the provocation, someone will probably do such-and-such", the specific person and the specific act are not predictable (yet).
The stochastic terrorist then has plausible deniability: "Oh, it was just a lone nut, nobody could have predicted he would do that, and I'm not responsible for what people in my audience do."
The lone wolf who was the "missile" gets captured and sentenced to life in prison, while the stochastic terrorist keeps his prime time slot and goes on to incite more lone wolves.
Further, the stochastic terrorist may be acting either negligently or deliberately, or may be in complete denial of their impact, just like a drunk driver who runs over a pedestrian without even realizing it.
Finally, there is no conspiracy here: merely the twisted acts of individuals who are promoting extremism, who get access to national media in which to do it, and the rest follows naturally just as an increase in violent storms follows from an increase in average global temperature.
I would actually disagree with this last paragraph. There's not a conspiracy in any sort of clock-and-dagger sense. But there's definitely a long-term strategic plan. There's a hegemonic struggle. And it's not just "individuals". There are entire media organizations based around pushing these sorts of provocations on a regular basis. The provocations to violence are only one part of a wider range of provocations, all of them couched within a framework of conservative victimology.
But that's an issue which is considerably more complicated to deal with and explain. What can be said is that the stochastic terrorism model doesn't require any sort of conspiracy--no activist cells, no on-the-ground organizations for the FBI to track down and infiltrate, etc. So we can just set that whole issue aside for the purposes of discussing stochastic terrorism in and of itself.
[ . . ]
The essential point all make is that Limbaugh's ongoing hate rants -- like the radio propagandists in Rwanda -- is just part of a chain of violent provocation and aggitation propaganda that unhinges people with violent unstable tendencies.
Why is that so hard to understand - or, do you disagree with the fact and theory of psychological warfare?
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I'm not seeing a connection between such a trite conspiracy theory and some wack job shooting up...
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#21
This is DU, where we can say Ann Romney has sex with her horse, and nobody asks to see proof.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#116
There are assertions everywhere without facts. Why so much focus on one OP that accuses Rush ?
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#119
Could you post some peer-reviewed articles on the concept of "stochastic terrorism"?
Brickbat
Jul 2012
#28
I searched for reputable publications on the subject of "stochastic terrorism"
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#60
Already read it. It makes no sense. Terrorism by definition has an intended goal
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#71
Nadin is right about the origin in social sciences of the term stochastics. It's a branch of
leveymg
Jul 2012
#126
I don't have time to read everything, and I really don't care what media clownz say
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#59
The point isn't what YOU read or do not read. The point is that you accused the OP
sabrina 1
Jul 2012
#82
That's paranoid, just as ridiculous as blaming producers of violent movies like The Dark Night Rises
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#7
Has been mentioned in several killings; one of police officers, another in SF at a 'liberal' place;
freshwest
Jul 2012
#113
Yes, and the more they're brought to light...ahem,right-wing radio...the less effective they'll be.
gtar100
Jul 2012
#22
No, the nice thing about this theory is that it requires no hard evidence
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#83
If we're not supposed to leap to conclusions, why should we leap to the conclusion that he had
HiPointDem
Jul 2012
#41
iow not a medical professional or diagnostician. I myself worked "with" nuclear physicists.
HiPointDem
Jul 2012
#112
I'm struggling to fathom how on Earth a Rush Limbaugh could benefit from a horrible crime like this
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#63
How do you differentiate "stoichiastic terrorism" from "sh*t happens"
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#80
The OP is claiming that this is a case of stochastic terrorism. In other words, the act of
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#123
The OP is wrong about the cause of this criminal act. You are confusing one thing with another.
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#128
You are confused about the nature of stochastics - studies indeterminacy, not cause and effect.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#134
You should have read the OP which stated that there was a direct link between Limbaugh's speech
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#135
Is your problem with nadin's OP above , G2Geek's DK post, or Paul Rosenberg at OpenLeft?
leveymg
Jul 2012
#136
Because the OP said there was a direct link between what Limbaugh said specifically
SlimJimmy
Jul 2012
#137
Reference to Limbaugh is once or twice removed. Take it up with the others at the link.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#138