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L. Coyote

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67. We have a cart and horse problem. What if the Republicans sought out the Russians to hack the Dems?

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:39 AM

Jan 2018

Then you have a Republican conspiracy that predates the first hack attempt. It is fallacious to think that events begin when the hack becomes known. The hack is known to the conspirators BEFORE it happens!

So the question for the timeline is, when did the hackers gain access? Next question, who knew before then? Trump's buddy Manafort with hackers and election fixing operatives already in Russia with experience hacking and fixing elections in Ukraine? Did Trump have all this in place before announcing? Was Roger Stone involved?

A lot of what is happening now is spin, shaping the narrative to ensure the worst case scenario never becomes known. Why does someone claim to be the hacker after the leak? To move the focus from Republicans to Russians?

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GOP Blocking Merrick Garland May Be Tied to Trump/Russia Scandal [View all] L. Coyote Jan 2018 OP

O lord would I love to see Grassley in an orange jumpsuit rurallib Jan 2018 #1

McConnell too bdamomma Jan 2018 #3

oh and so many more. We can dream can't we? rurallib Jan 2018 #4

an see gorsuch impeached. nt tomp Jan 2018 #70

...and removed. calimary Jan 2018 #90

I hope it happens. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #93

This makes no sense fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #2

No, just a couple and the rest fall in line and follow orders. uponit7771 Jan 2018 #7

See the railroad job of Al Franken aeromanKC Jan 2018 #57

And 20 or so other "fine upstanding" Senators. Or so we thought they were... Wwcd Jan 2018 #62

Fine By Me SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #68

Indeed. Wwcd Jan 2018 #69

I agree. LiberalBrooke Jan 2018 #76

Being "fine upstanding" is not a qualification for being a politician, especially a winning one erronis Jan 2018 #87

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #64

makes absolute sense to me bluestarone Jan 2018 #9

Me too! Duppers Jan 2018 #11

Well that's great, but we don't have any evidence fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #15

We dont have to have any evidence. PdxSean Jan 2018 #30

The harm is that we take our eye off the ball fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #37

I agree this seems improbable. thucythucy Jan 2018 #60

The entire Senate GOP leadership? Duppers Jan 2018 #13

I'm trying to look at evidence fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #16

maybe your mind bluestarone Jan 2018 #21

Being open-minded does not mean not having a filter fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #39

Claims require evidence jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #56

+1 The timeline doesn't fit the silly conspiracy theory. onenote Jan 2018 #23

LOL you are so naive Skittles Jan 2018 #26

I'm naive for believing in Occam's razor? fountainofyouth Jan 2018 #27

evidence? Skittles Jan 2018 #44

If McConnell doesn't bring it up for a vote, there doesn't even have to be anyone else involved. world wide wally Jan 2018 #51

This is not the first time this has been suggested. I believe top GOP knew long before Amaryllis Jan 2018 #5

Agreed. At the time we speculated that they were rigging the vote or they wouldn't be doing it. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #12

I recall that also. triron Jan 2018 #86

They were caught red-handed in 2000 and 2004, so no surprise to me this time. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #88

how did mc connel know the repubs would cheat to win? questionseverything Jan 2018 #89

Lock them all up malaise Jan 2018 #6

It would not surprise me if they were all atleast aware of it if not in fact active participants cstanleytech Jan 2018 #8

To annoy Obama?? Not to mention, it was not statistically impossible that Trump could win karynnj Jan 2018 #10

This. The endless conspiracy theories are silly mythology Jan 2018 #25

I really do think this is credible. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #14

The GOP sociopaths are capable of anything. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #17

While I do not doubt this is true, I don't expect it to ever come back to bite anyone. bitterross Jan 2018 #18

Might be a good time to invest in a guillotine factory BigBearJohn Jan 2018 #19

I've already told my wife MurrayDelph Jan 2018 #48

I've thought this since the election. volstork Jan 2018 #20

I have ALWAYS thought McConnell knew Trump would win renate Jan 2018 #22

There was no guarantee that Hillary would nominate someone more liberal than Garland onenote Jan 2018 #33

it was a statistical impossability for drumpf to win? Takket Jan 2018 #24

Nonsensical. onenote Jan 2018 #28

The fix was already in. Only preposterous thing is that RepubliCONs did it, not the timing. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #32

Rubio and Cruz were not in on it. They didn't know. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #34

Right. But everyone else did. Sure. Got it. onenote Jan 2018 #35

Many did NOT know. McCONnell, Ryan, Priebus, Pence knew. Pence was Manafort's suggestion. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #36

Again. Sure. Right. Got it. Yup. onenote Jan 2018 #40

Don't tell me you think this is a nothingburger with only process violation indictments. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #46

i think the russians sought to influence the general election onenote Jan 2018 #47

This line of reasoning doesnt claim Russians rigged any primaries. So don't put that on us. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #49

So the russians weren't working only to promote Trump? onenote Jan 2018 #50

I didn't say or imply that either. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #59

Thank you. shanny Jan 2018 #41

exactly. At the point of this "conspiracy" the Republican establishment was grantcart Jan 2018 #85

Oh gee, you think? bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #29

I have no doubt it is tied into it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #31

Cause I need the NYT investigative team to tell me things I guessed on my own on election night... Volaris Jan 2018 #38

Remind me what the russians did to fix the republican primaries onenote Jan 2018 #43

They didn't need to. The GOP couldn't win without a populist. haele Jan 2018 #54

In February 2016, the polls showed Trump as the only republican losing to Clinton onenote Jan 2018 #55

I'm speaking of the General Election specifically. Volaris Jan 2018 #63

McConnell announced his intent to block consideration of a Scalia replacement the day Scalia die onenote Jan 2018 #66

If lawyers, bankers or brokers behaved like this Congress superpatriotman Jan 2018 #42

Puzzle pieces falling together. There will be more.... nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #45

I'll agree with one caveat ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #52

How did gerrymandering effect the presidential election? onenote Jan 2018 #58

Treason, plain and simple...in a desperate ploy to grab power... SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #53

It was suspicious even back then. moondust Jan 2018 #61

It is not implausible. Here is timeline. McConnell behaved strangely from February thru Election Justice Jan 2018 #65

We have a cart and horse problem. What if the Republicans sought out the Russians to hack the Dems? L. Coyote Jan 2018 #67

Read the first sentence of my post. First hack against DNC happened in 2015. Justice Jan 2018 #77

Why block a Supreme Court pick? Same reason they had for so many other things.... JHB Jan 2018 #71

The GOP is a corrupt organization Gothmog Jan 2018 #72

Do you ever get the feeling bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #73

That would not be surprising if they blocked Garland Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #74

Switching 40,000 votes alters the Electoral College outcome. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #75

yup! Botany Jan 2018 #78

agree 100% bluestarone Jan 2018 #79

This timeline demonstrates the nonsense of this theory tritsofme Jan 2018 #82

Think about this True Blue American Jan 2018 #80

Mmmmmmmmmmm! Very interesting........... UCmeNdc Jan 2018 #81

Given the Unprecedented Nature of McConnell Blocking the Vote-Foreknowledge & Involvement Make Sense dlk Jan 2018 #83

colour me soooooooo not surprised. niyad Jan 2018 #84

VERY glad this is coming up. calimary Jan 2018 #91

Speechless northoftheborder Jan 2018 #92

Even without Russia, the GOP has a "Suppress the Vote" campaign in place in many red/purple states. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2018 #94