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Fumesucker

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63. I wouldn't have offered constructive criticism except for your post about too heavy to lift..

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 09:50 AM

Jul 2012

It is the writer's responsibility to convey their information in as easy a manner as possible for the reader to understand if the writer wishes as many people as possible to read and understand what is written. Some of your readers are sending you a message, you can heed it or not as you wish..

It's clear you went to considerable trouble to put together what you did but not all that many people are going to slog through that much text without some idea in advance of the payoff.

Explaining complex things to people is a damn difficult task, it's somewhat easier face to face where you can solicit immediate feedback on what people are picking up, via text on the internet it's much harder.

ETA: I'm reminded of this quote..

"The present letter is a very long one, simply because I had no leisure to make it shorter." -Blaise Pascal.

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The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies [View all] mkultra Jul 2012 OP

Yeah, it is unfathomable that anyone else than Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #1

Oh by all means.. Ignore this post. annabanana Jul 2012 #4

Agent Mike? Is it you? Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #15

It shouldn't be ignored. But we should discuss how to avoid false positives, since those, patrice Jul 2012 #94

Sounds reasonable. annabanana Jul 2012 #96

I think you're right. This is critical. nt patrice Jul 2012 #98

seems irrelevant if the story is really written by cointel mkultra Jul 2012 #14

I smell an epistemic conundrum here somewhere. NT Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #17

ohhh! heaven05 Jul 2012 #70

ohh! Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #73

thank you heaven05 Jul 2012 #79

Do you people really think you're that important? Who really cares what is posted? lol xtraxritical Jul 2012 #83

most heaven05 Jul 2012 #84

The responses to this thread suggest annabanana Jul 2012 #85

yes, politics cleary has no real importance mkultra Jul 2012 #123

but, but heaven05 Jul 2012 #44

Well yeah. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #54

true heaven05 Jul 2012 #62

Well I would agree with one thing that this could be edited zeemike Jul 2012 #89

'Edited'? The whole point of it is it's a compilation muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #103

And the compilation shows what? zeemike Jul 2012 #109

That paranoia can unite the left and right wing muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #111

The compilation shows that regular activities used in volumn mkultra Jul 2012 #125

Good point: "That is the whole point of manipulation... Raksha Jul 2012 #190

it's not the traits... booley Jul 2012 #101

Anything easy is not worth having n/t dogknob Jul 2012 #146

EVERY DUer should ~*bookmark*~ this thread!. . . n/t annabanana Jul 2012 #2

Agreed malaise Jul 2012 #8

Thanks, just did that. turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #13

I bookmarked it first thing. I'm so sick of these tactics on DU that I could scream. loudsue Jul 2012 #37

Actually, the mods should pin it at the top Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #53

Done. Initech Jul 2012 #82

Thanks. Bookmarked. glinda Jul 2012 #140

IS there a technique that involves putting up posts that take three hours to read? CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #3

..ugh... too hard... can't lift... annabanana Jul 2012 #5

Brevity is not only the soul of wit but of communication also.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #7

I guess i get a "4" on the essay portion. mkultra Jul 2012 #22

I wouldn't have offered constructive criticism except for your post about too heavy to lift.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #63

And I would recommend George Orwell's essays on writing zeemike Jul 2012 #90

TL;DR mkultra Jul 2012 #16

There's an easy counter for it, at least. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #136

Wow! AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #6

Yeah. ananda Jul 2012 #23

Wow, you said LOL japa beads jamie Jul 2012 #131

mah tinfoil hat is on crooked Confusious Jul 2012 #156

If you want to see this in action, just go check out some of the recent gun threads. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #9

Doesn't your example prove Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #11

yes, that is correct but meaningless mkultra Jul 2012 #20

The term "false positive" and witch hunt comes to mind. At least to mine. NT Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #21

you are using technique #2 mkultra Jul 2012 #24

Case in point Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #38

And if you were agent mike you would deny it. zeemike Jul 2012 #99

To me this thread implies that some would be eager Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #119

It seems to me that it is always the same dichotomy presented. zeemike Jul 2012 #130

Hey maybe there are. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #184

Identifying them is not the way to go. zeemike Jul 2012 #186

Agent Mike is a sleeper pintobean Jul 2012 #183

Given news articles on "sock puppet" governmental agents on the internet over the past year or so, TalkingDog Jul 2012 #25

The fact remains that, given Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #43

wonder heaven05 Jul 2012 #64

Democracyinkind is not damning. S/he's raising legitimate PROCESS questions. You are the one patrice Jul 2012 #88

what? heaven05 Jul 2012 #91

The point is: Apply this list to a hypothetical case of suspected disruption, how do you do that? patrice Jul 2012 #97

ohhh! heaven05 Jul 2012 #133

I'm talking about this board. I don't know what you're talking about. nt patrice Jul 2012 #177

I do not disagree. I do not agree either. Let's just say I'll be skeptical of all positions. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #104

Tactics that work, if you can figure out a way eridani Jul 2012 #154

Why is it so important to you pscot Jul 2012 #61

Discussing things is what I'm here for. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #68

is it what you get paid to do? mkultra Jul 2012 #77

yep heaven05 Jul 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author TalkingDog Jul 2012 #105

To what end? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #92

For shits and giggle, of course. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #106

Aren't we all here for shits and giggles? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #107

You make a couple of fair points. Thank you for adding to the discussion. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #121

Is this article Fare Use? Javaman Jul 2012 #10

i doubt it mkultra Jul 2012 #18

That's why I was asking. Javaman Jul 2012 #45

no problem mkultra Jul 2012 #78

I've seen this on other sites. The caveat was that it had to be posted in it's entirety TalkingDog Jul 2012 #27

It's been posted and reposted all over. Some interesting comments at DKOS leveymg Jul 2012 #42

it's all nicked from various sources over the years, such as Ron Paul forums muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #60

Parts 2 and 3 by H. Michael Sweeney - gives permission to reprint in whole with author's leveymg Jul 2012 #81

you have my thanks mkultra Jul 2012 #122

However, you didn't reprint it in full muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #137

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING' mkultra Jul 2012 #128

I'm jealous that some DUers might be getting paid to post here. Quantess Jul 2012 #12

This!!!! Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #19

For me three names come to mind very quickly. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #48

I know, right? I ought to be vacuuming the living room. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #108

Rotfl! Mimosa Jul 2012 #143

Ummm... Hate to break it to you, but, uh... Nostradammit Jul 2012 #150

Hate to break it to you, but, the very idea of that is ridiculous. stevenleser Jul 2012 #170

I'm sorry, did you say something? Nostradammit Jul 2012 #171

Yes, only I wasn't passive aggressive. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #172

Oh, really? Nostradammit Jul 2012 #175

Yes, really. All the things you just noted had a point to them. You and I wouldnt have done them stevenleser Jul 2012 #178

Yeah, no regime has ever tried to sway public opinion. Nostradammit Jul 2012 #180

I know, how do I sign up to at least get an offer I can look over? stevenleser Jul 2012 #148

"Malignant pseudoidentification" That phrase is a keeper. Edweird Jul 2012 #26

I agree. I am SO using that from now on. Safetykitten Jul 2012 #168

This reminds of of the infamous "Guide for Communist Subversion" ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #28

Ding Ding Ding Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #40

again heaven05 Jul 2012 #65

Are you accusing me of being a cointelpro agent? Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #66

"case in point" mkultra Jul 2012 #126

I'm sure, with that long of a list Confusious Jul 2012 #157

Yes, all parts come from right wing conspiracy theorists muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #110

Kick for this post... SidDithers Jul 2012 #160

yup Marrah_G Jul 2012 #162

RESULT: Nobody's mind has been changed, tanyev Jul 2012 #29

Translation: Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #30

Paranioa strikes deep Confusious Jul 2012 #159

You know, it increases my paranoia, pintobean Jul 2012 #187

Thank you for posting this - good, useful information that all DUers should be familiar with leveymg Jul 2012 #31

I would print it and keep it next to your bed... snooper2 Jul 2012 #55

Here's an excellent bedside book: Christopher Simpson's, "The Science of Coercion" leveymg Jul 2012 #75

Not safe enough! I've pasted a printout over the right side of my screen so it's always fresh petronius Jul 2012 #86

on your toes!!! ( you can't see that in my post?) snooper2 Jul 2012 #95

No! Shrink it down and have it sewn onto the insides of your eyelids! stevenleser Jul 2012 #167

Yup Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #32

So now anybody who disagrees with you is a "forum spy"? MadHound Jul 2012 #33

Congrats! You sound like the OP's poster child. lightworker at work Jul 2012 #120

Yes, that's right, I've been a "forum spy" here for ten years MadHound Jul 2012 #135

Better get busy on the job, then eridani Jul 2012 #155

Quite so. I think the worst thing you can do to the 'other side' is get them all suspicious of each stevenleser Jul 2012 #138

I thought the same thing Mimosa Jul 2012 #144

I'm certainly willing to entertain offers of large sums of money to post on the internet. stevenleser Jul 2012 #147

Translation in one sentence Coyotl Jul 2012 #34

You're a troll Confusious Jul 2012 #158

Oh damn, now I have to crawl back under my bridge Coyotl Jul 2012 #188

Too long; where's the part where you make people distrust everything on the forum? bluedigger Jul 2012 #35

Rules of Disinformation #14 is often seen here IDemo Jul 2012 #36

I wonder how many people are employed to do this. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #39

Last numbers were between 6-700 at a CIA front.. snooper2 Jul 2012 #57

If there are any Rethugs on DU Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #41

exactly heaven05 Jul 2012 #69

So you support drone attacks as long as the dude or dudette japa beads jamie Jul 2012 #132

No. Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #134

... SidDithers Jul 2012 #46

Picture Stolen By Me Sid sharp_stick Jul 2012 #71

Steal away!... SidDithers Jul 2012 #74

Oh look! It's SidDithers. Nostradammit Jul 2012 #151

But in other words caseymoz Jul 2012 #47

Heh. woo me with science Jul 2012 #49

I doubt very much that it is just the FBI using these tactics. blue neen Jul 2012 #50

But, I have no doubt the NRA, the nuclear power industry, and other astroturfers do. leveymg Jul 2012 #52

Jesus H. Christ on a hotdog my trackwheel was smoking ROFL snooper2 Jul 2012 #51

According to the list provided in the OP Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #56

Well, I can but I can't- snooper2 Jul 2012 #58

ditto heaven05 Jul 2012 #67

(800)-555-GFYS mkultra Jul 2012 #80

This should be pinned somewhere as a permanent resource pscot Jul 2012 #59

Teh Interwebz iz Series Bidness!!!!111!!! slackmaster Jul 2012 #72

Bookmarked! This is fantastic. k/r AllyCat Jul 2012 #76

forward this by email to ten friends or arely staircase Jul 2012 #87

Yep. Thanks. That's the book on corporate hacks and the Anti-Social Justice Movement. Zorra Jul 2012 #100

this OP looks like disinformation to me Enrique Jul 2012 #102

Sources are in #60 and #110 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #113

Shouldn"t this be in Meta- ? patrice Jul 2012 #112

A while back I was posting similar information at DU2 and Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #114

it isn't information Enrique Jul 2012 #116

Sure, if it makes you feel better. Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #117

it's not all made up Enrique Jul 2012 #118

Why? Do they not get trolls there? Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #124

And at the same time, avoid paranoid people. mahina Jul 2012 #115

basic synopsis... 4nic8em Jul 2012 #127

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING' - LOL my response is completely outside their box. Zalatix Jul 2012 #129

Kick for woo from dubious sources in GD!!... SidDithers Jul 2012 #139

My God!!! greytdemocrat Jul 2012 #166

I'm so fucking confused, I just put myself on Ignore ! RagAss Jul 2012 #141

Hell, after reading that whole thing, I'm now pretty sure I'm a troll. chalky Jul 2012 #142

As the old Soviet-era saying goes, "There's a line in the book for everyone." Zalatix Jul 2012 #149

+1 Marrah_G Jul 2012 #164

Ahem- there is now cofee on my monitor! Marrah_G Jul 2012 #163

.. RagAss Jul 2012 #173

coffee too! Marrah_G Jul 2012 #176

... and thus people attribute negative changes to communities as a naturally entropic phenomenon NuttyFluffers Jul 2012 #145

I could not care less cali Jul 2012 #152

In the "how to spot" category, they forgot one. Skidmore Jul 2012 #153

Thanks for posting. fasttense Jul 2012 #161

I am not now, nor have I ever been a Communist Marrah_G Jul 2012 #165

This is a little short, could you expand on this a little? Robb Jul 2012 #169

does this happen on DU? you "BETTER BELIEVE IT" scheming daemons Jul 2012 #174

Let's assume BBI was an 'agent'. What do you think they accomplished on behalf of whomever stevenleser Jul 2012 #179

Interesting. sendero Jul 2012 #181

Jesus Christ, Tolstoy, think you could condense that thing a bit? Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #182

Jesus Christ, Thomas Mann, Robert Musil Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #185

The Internet Troll As The Trickster Archetype Coyotl Jul 2012 #189

This is old nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #191