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CousinIT

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41. THIS. 100000 times. THIS.

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:24 PM

Jan 2018

It's what I've said for a LONG time. Men DO have a choice. They must realize though that choice has a particular scope (limited to a particular space and time) and once he's made his choice there, he's pretty much done.

I agree men have a right to an opinion -- but ultimately the final decision should always be up to the woman. No exceptions.

When men start transforming their opinions or religious beliefs into law and policy which takes away a woman's ability to decide for herself and act on her own behalf - and especially her ability to access the health care necessary for her to do that - then I have an issue with it. Then, they're literally forcing their opinions and / or beliefs onto a woman. And that is unacceptable to me.

IOW men have a choice and a right to their own opinions. But they must realize that choice and those opinions come with non-negotiable limits. And that's because men don't get pregnant or give birth. I'm sorry if men don't like that, but that's the way it is for the human species.

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Until this comes out of a man's body... [View all] CousinIT Jan 2018 OP

One of the guys I work with was complaining about women having abortions one day. Arkansas Granny Jan 2018 #1

Do keep in mind Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #12

I hadn't considered that possibility. I was only thinking of my coworker. Arkansas Granny Jan 2018 #24

Then it's a good thing Arkansas Granny asked him, isn't it? Mariana Jan 2018 #81

Sorry - Made me think of this! Beartracks Jan 2018 #103

good for you! except i would have said 'then shut the fuck up' samnsara Jan 2018 #28

I wonder what he would've said if you asked him if he'd ever had unprotected sex with a woman tetedur Jan 2018 #94

Good point. Arkansas Granny Jan 2018 #95

Ideally... IluvPitties Jan 2018 #2

Ideally there would be no pregnancies caused by lunatica Jan 2018 #11

I think you're missing the point askyagerz Jan 2018 #19

My point exactly lunatica Jan 2018 #39

Actually, there are plenty of DU posters who say they are Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #21

I am very much pro-abortion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #49

I am pro-abortion. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #52

You rang? Heddi Jan 2018 #55

Add me to the Pro-abortion list. progressoid Jan 2018 #60

Sure there is. Most people view it as necessary but unfortunate Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #61

You've clearly put a lot of thought into this. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #63

So you think it helps???? Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #65

Who is being callous? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #66

In case you haven't noticed, the GOP hold the House, Senate Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #70

So you think if you're mealymouthed about it, the GOP might forget they completely oppose abortion? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #74

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #76

No one is forcing anyone to call anything anything. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #91

I don't view it as unfortunate. I seek to normalize the 'moral' baggage it currently carries. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #72

You are (I am assuming by your handle) atheist Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #75

Only half of those Catholics see abortion as morally wrong. progressoid Jan 2018 #84

So? Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #87

So you brought up the issue of faith in your post progressoid Jan 2018 #93

i grew up with mostly catholics barbtries Jan 2018 #92

We only won the Catholic vote among Hispanics. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #90

I didn't say it's WONDERFUL. progressoid Jan 2018 #80

But there are those here who do. Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #82

So a woman who has an abortion has made "unfortunate" decisions? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #97

I fucking hate when people twist words like that. Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #99

So these women should have done something else in order to avoid these abortions, right? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #100

Whatever you say Oracle. Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #102

Fun? Not really. It is time I donate to the cause of trying to get people to understand Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #104

Having an abortion radical noodle Jan 2018 #113

When someone has an appendectomy to say it's "unfortunate"? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #98

Count me in as being pro-abortion. demmiblue Jan 2018 #62

Nothing extreme about being pro abortion. DLevine Jan 2018 #78

I'm pro-abortion. I am enthusiastically in favor of safe and effective medical procedures. nt. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #96

I'm pro-abortion musette_sf Jan 2018 #101

Count me in as pro-abortion, I wish we would kill more. Overpopulation is a real issue. nt MadDAsHell Jan 2018 #111

I am pro-abortion and stated as much below. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #54

Way to twist what I said lunatica Jan 2018 #58

What I should have said was... GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #64

That goes without saying if you say youre pro choice lunatica Jan 2018 #73

It's one thing for a man to have an opinion. It's another for him to believe he has the right OregonBlue Jan 2018 #3

THIS. n/t CousinIT Jan 2018 #40

A man is certainly entitled to an opinion on abortion Orrex Jan 2018 #4

It's very human to have empathy for people who aren't yourself. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #8

The only man who really should have any input about reproductive decisions forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #17

Here's how I've come to view the father's role: Orrex Jan 2018 #27

Exactly. Once I made the decision not to reproduce, MineralMan Jan 2018 #32

THIS. 100000 times. THIS. CousinIT Jan 2018 #41

At the risk of overstating the point... Orrex Jan 2018 #43

This +1000! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #67

I'm not arguing, but I don't see it as so cut and dried. forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #79

Do you think a woman should be required to inform the man Mariana Jan 2018 #86

No. I don't think anyone should be made to do anything. forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #105

At the risk of sounding dismissive, that risk is part of the choice he makes Orrex Jan 2018 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #108

It's silly saying the man should have input Yupster Jan 2018 #110

I don't care if the person is a woman with 10 children n2doc Jan 2018 #5

Whenever a man gives his opinion on abortion, I ask if he's had a vasectomy crazycatlady Jan 2018 #6

too limiting... handmade34 Jan 2018 #83

What if it's a pro choice opinion? BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #121

This kind of claim dismisses a lot of allies. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #7

We're not trying to silence men. lark Jan 2018 #22

That's not what that meme in the OP says. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #23

That's kind of the problem with memes mythology Jan 2018 #35

The most important decision a woman can make, isn't yours. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #37

It isn't, but I'm a portion of the electorate and we influence the legislature. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #44

Where does it state you can't voice your opinion or be part of the debate? CrispyQ Jan 2018 #46

The image in the OP has some very simple plain english on it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #47

I'm not the OP. --nt CrispyQ Jan 2018 #48

"A perfect meme" AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #50

Yes, I think that's what happened. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #68

No worries, my bad. Re-reading it, there was a clue that you meant the other post. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #71

BS. We have an opinion, usually better kept to ourselves. The decision and all that comes with it... marble falls Jan 2018 #106

Currently the issue is much more fundamental than that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #118

The meme is correct. The choice is not yours. The issue of abortion should not be about making.... marble falls Jan 2018 #119

At the moment, in the united states, the legal and moral implications of abortion are at issue. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #120

+1 harun Jan 2018 #117

++ heaven05 Jan 2018 #9

Can't stop people from having opinions treestar Jan 2018 #10

+1 OnDoutside Jan 2018 #16

thank you, cousin saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #13

Everyone can discuss.. everyone can have an opinion mountain grammy Jan 2018 #14

I agree with that. I think in general medical decisions should be between a person and their doctor 47of74 Jan 2018 #18

As a 65-year-old male, my opinion on abortion MurrayDelph Jan 2018 #15

as an older women handmade34 Jan 2018 #89

Where does an MRA get his water? From a well, actually. HughBeaumont Jan 2018 #20

So I'm not allowed to say "keep it legal"? Or does this only apply to NEGATIVE opinions? Towlie Jan 2018 #25

AMEN!!!! K&R onecent Jan 2018 #26

as a guy, I completely agree... Javaman Jan 2018 #29

Missed opportunity, then. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #45

some people have asked me to elaborate... Javaman Jan 2018 #51

Quite true. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #53

Oh I know. My GF and I support Planned Parenthood and donate yearly. Javaman Jan 2018 #56

Awesome. Donation of choice for me as well. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #59

they do good work. Javaman Jan 2018 #69

Being a man, I once went to an abortion clinic, Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #30

Same Here ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #38

Opinion is fine. But it stops there. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #31

If you're truly interested in reducing the number of abortions shadowmayor Jan 2018 #33

And greatly improved access to contraception Orrex Jan 2018 #34

"if...interested in reducing...abortions...." handmade34 Jan 2018 #85

I tell people that if they don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #36

Maybe? briv1016 Jan 2018 #42

What comes out of a man's body... MineralMan Jan 2018 #57

State abortion restrictions/bans are nothing but state mandated indentured servitude laws. LonePirate Jan 2018 #77

I'd pay good money to see any rethug congressman give birth ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #88

Is it possible to be both pro choice and pro- life? Ohiogal Jan 2018 #109

Sure you can. Your a democrat. We have babies and love them. pwb Jan 2018 #115

Thanks PWB Ohiogal Jan 2018 #116

And what about pregnancies burrowowl Jan 2018 #112

Especially pro-choice liberals IronLionZion Jan 2018 #114