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In reply to the discussion: Bush arrested a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil and held him without a trial [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)20. Actually
"The law as now signed says it is A-OK."
...the law does not say that.
NDAA FAQ: A Guide for the Perplexed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100248562
Some Senators insist the existing law does, and the need for clarification arose because of the ambiguity fueling the interpretations of existing law.
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But Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, said citizen terrorism suspects should retain their fundamental civil liberties in order to protect the founding principles of the United States.
I think at a bare minimum, that means we will not allow U.S. military personnel to arrest and indefinitely detain U.S. citizens, regardless of what label we happen to apply to them, he said.
Before voting to leave current law unchanged, the Senate rejected, 55 to 45, a proposal by Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, to instead say that Americans are exempt from detention under the 2001 authorization to use military force.
The uncertainty over the current law added confusion. Some, like Mr. Graham and Mr. Levin, insisted that the Supreme Court had already approved holding Americans as enemy combatants, even people arrested inside the United States. Others, like Senators Feinstein and Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, insisted that it had not done so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/us/senate-declines-to-resolve-issue-of-american-qaeda-suspects-arrested-in-us.html?_r=1
But Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, said citizen terrorism suspects should retain their fundamental civil liberties in order to protect the founding principles of the United States.
I think at a bare minimum, that means we will not allow U.S. military personnel to arrest and indefinitely detain U.S. citizens, regardless of what label we happen to apply to them, he said.
Before voting to leave current law unchanged, the Senate rejected, 55 to 45, a proposal by Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, to instead say that Americans are exempt from detention under the 2001 authorization to use military force.
The uncertainty over the current law added confusion. Some, like Mr. Graham and Mr. Levin, insisted that the Supreme Court had already approved holding Americans as enemy combatants, even people arrested inside the United States. Others, like Senators Feinstein and Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, insisted that it had not done so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/us/senate-declines-to-resolve-issue-of-american-qaeda-suspects-arrested-in-us.html?_r=1
Also, as pointed out in post 3 in this thread, the SCOTUS rejected Bush's interpretation.
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Bush arrested a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil and held him without a trial [View all]
ProSense
Jan 2012
OP
Bush and his cronies should've been tried for war crimes, and any possibility of a repeat should've
Lionessa
Jan 2012
#1
So if Bush already claimed the authority, it's good that Congress passed a law now to back him up?
limpyhobbler
Jan 2012
#4
I understand the OP says Bush did this bad thing and Obama promises not to do it.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2012
#17
Feinstein's provision is not in effect and only a fool has any confidence in the fascist courts
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#22
FDR arrested thousands and put them in internment camps, without trial, indefinitely
bhikkhu
Jan 2012
#21
Ending the war how? The war itself is a figment, a campaign against a tactic with no defined
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#23
There will never be an end to the war on terror, or the war on drugs, or the war on the middle class
rhett o rick
Jan 2012
#24