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zipplewrath

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97. Your audience isn't making that choice

Mon Jan 8, 2018, 12:38 PM

Jan 2018

The vast majority of these people are angry. If they don't vote for your candidate, in many cases they don't vote at all. You're right, they aren't progressive at all. They're just pissed. Oh, they might lean progressive on one or two issues, but often with no real understanding or logic upon why. So in the end in order to get their vote, you have to attract it, not demand it. You can't say "the other guy's worse". That mostly just gets them to not vote at all. You have to get them to want to vote for your candidate. Which is why charisma has always been important in this television age.

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To anyone who says both parties are the same: Fuck. You. [View all] Roland99 Dec 2017 OP

I totally agree Ohiogal Dec 2017 #1

Oh, yeah. With a broomstick. One with splinters... TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #2

Splintered broomstick. Sideways Roland99 Dec 2017 #3

I agree with the sentiment but...ew. liberalnarb Dec 2017 #15

With a rusty garden weasel. MFM008 Jan 2018 #34

And here are a few other reasons... SHRED Dec 2017 #4

And perhaps, most important and damaging: stacking the federal courts with right-wing idealogues EffieBlack Dec 2017 #6

Excellent addition to the list SHRED Dec 2017 #7

A damage inflicted upon us that will last for years and years Roland99 Dec 2017 #10

Excellent point... why elections matter. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #28

This little tune comes to mind from when I taught first grade, BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #5

Plenty of DUers want to punish red state moderate Democrats IronLionZion Dec 2017 #8

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I'd choose a zombie over stupidity. Aristus Dec 2017 #12

Faith is cute. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #71

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It's a shame, also, that of those states who have the most poor without healthcare are the ones demosincebirth Dec 2017 #14

And most are welfare states GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #59

K&R Scurrilous Dec 2017 #16

Yeah, there's differences Plucketeer Dec 2017 #17

"So why don't we have..." pick it. We dont have those things because we have a Democracy stevenleser Jan 2018 #18

I get it now! Plucketeer Jan 2018 #44

Glad I could help. Hopefully you don't need to ask the question again. stevenleser Jan 2018 #46

They are not supposed to work in unison treestar Jan 2018 #65

Simple. Because they filibustered us, and Ted Kennedy died. Is that too hard to understand? nt pnwmom Jan 2018 #22

Of course, there is always the possibility that Joe Lieberman would have betrayed us after StevieM Jan 2018 #31

Especially because he wasn't a Democrat then. He was an independent representing the state pnwmom Jan 2018 #33

That doggoned TK Plucketeer Jan 2018 #45

It is absolutely FALSE that Obama made "guarantees" that the wars would stop the day he took office. pnwmom Jan 2018 #47

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #52

You're 30 points behind at this point. John Fante Jan 2018 #53

It's really not true that Obama guaranteed the wars would stop the day he took office. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #55

No but zipplewrath Jan 2018 #78

Not true. He was all-in on Afghanistan, ground zero for terrorism at the time. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #82

But that's not all he said zipplewrath Jan 2018 #84

Issue: Poster says Obama promised he'd end Afghan. War on Day One. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #85

Well actually "changes" are the exact point zipplewrath Jan 2018 #86

Please post the link of Obama, before taking office, promising to end Afgh. War on Day One. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #87

I understand zipplewrath Jan 2018 #88

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Breaking: person doesn't get what they want. News at 11. BzaDem Jan 2018 #24

Well, first off.... Plucketeer Jan 2018 #43

Objective rationalization? John Fante Jan 2018 #54

Welcome to DU, John Fante! n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #61

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Dems are mostly good! redumbliCONs are absolutely pure evil. democratisphere Jan 2018 #19

Over time I've come to the conclusion, agincourt Jan 2018 #20

Yes.. Fuck yourself with my splintered broom handle. Le Gaucher Jan 2018 #21

"Both sides do it" is a "conservative" thought virus Cary Jan 2018 #23

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #26

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #25

I completely agree with you. It disgusts me..n/t Upthevibe Jan 2018 #32

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K&R InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #29

Since people who say that are usually stupid... Iggo Jan 2018 #30

I remember pressbox69 Jan 2018 #35

When Republicans say: dobleremolque Jan 2018 #36

If I belonged to the one party of two (major ones) rock Jan 2018 #37

I watched that. Scarsdale Jan 2018 #38

I was wondering how they voted, too. My daughter was watching with me... Roland99 Jan 2018 #40

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Name / Link SteelSmasher Jan 2018 #41

The Health Wagon Roland99 Jan 2018 #42

Way to demonstrate and celebrate LWolf Jan 2018 #48

Ask me if I care. Go ahead. Roland99 Jan 2018 #49

I don't have to. LWolf Jan 2018 #66

Your heart is in the right place... Cary Jan 2018 #56

I couldn't agree more K&R (NT) louis c Jan 2018 #50

K&R Gothmog Jan 2018 #51

Yep, although I'd add one more piece of info. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #57

With all due respect jimlup Jan 2018 #58

Stein,Sarandan and Nina Turner all contributed to Hillary's loss...And they are still at it so fuck Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #60

Well good luck with worrying about that jimlup Jan 2018 #68

Jill Stein along with Ralph Nader have really hurt progressives...we should recognized that Greens Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #69

Well sorry but that's just false jimlup Jan 2018 #72

It is completely factual...no one can argue against the fact that if Nader didn't run Gore would Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #74

Well I strongly jimlup Jan 2018 #79

I do not support Sen. Sanders for President. I support him in the Senate...he is good there, but Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #83

I can zipplewrath Jan 2018 #90

Quite honestly, I disagree and will despise the Greens and Stein until the day I die...God knows Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #91

Fine zipplewrath Jan 2018 #94

I see no reasonable argument...so I am not backing down from that. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #95

Your audience isn't making that choice zipplewrath Jan 2018 #97

It won't work. We have to run the best person we can...and if they don't vote for our candidates Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #98

That's what happened zipplewrath Jan 2018 #99

Voters with different ideas in a primary pick the candidate...that is the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #100

Neither zipplewrath Jan 2018 #101

In my experience when people talk about gravitas dsc Jan 2018 #89

The voters aren't, but... RealityChik Jan 2018 #63

Dont you be dissing Patty Murray ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #81

Please point me to evidence of that.. RealityChik Jan 2018 #96

Boink. Scurrilous Jan 2018 #64

Colin Kaepernick. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #67

co-signed Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #70

They are not. The Democratic Party is the American center-left party. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #73

It is no such thing. The Democratic party is the big tent party where there are differing views... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #75

Oh yeah. ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #76

... Scurrilous Jan 2018 #80

Meh. As Obama said, Let's look forward, not backwards. jalan48 Jan 2018 #93