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byronius

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11. Well, yeah, totally agree. But.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jan 2018
Josef Mengele

Your post made me really think about it. Scientist, yes, atheist, yes, go on down the list -- but at the top of it must be 'dedicated civil servant', 'emotionally intelligent', and 'honorable'. Wisdom in leadership is not automatically conferred by intelligence or adherence to realism any more than it is conferred by a fat bank account or level of cunning.

It comes down to the hard truths of a nation's population. The US is the most diverse nation on earth, but it suffers from all the standard human plagues, mostly primitive tribalism disguised as common sense. Delusional thinking abounds, if one accepts the polls about common beliefs. Ignorance abounds, because we're all just early-issue human animals. Our representation is tilted by cheating from the Throwbacks, but it's not that far from representative. Leadership, population -- it's close enough to make one worry about survival. These are the days.

I miss Obama's wisdom most of all. He was always thinking, always moving, always growing. He cared, and that is a scientifically provable fact. I sincerely miss that indeed.

Someone who cares.

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Or an engineer brokephibroke Jan 2018 #1
Herbert Hoover was a well-respected engineer. FSogol Jan 2018 #6
So was Jimmy Carter jberryhill Jan 2018 #38
I'm a mechanical engineer and work in an office full of them. Engineers don't necessarily make good FSogol Jan 2018 #41
There are some scientists running for lower ticket races crazycatlady Jan 2018 #2
Doctors make terrible politicians. Except for Neil Degrass Tyson, they applegrove Jan 2018 #3
Do you mean physicians? Or PhD recipients GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #12
My experience is of medical doctors striking in Ontario a generation ago. applegrove Jan 2018 #19
Well then I would agree. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #24
The scientists I have met are greatly concerned with the world. Doctors too. applegrove Jan 2018 #33
Yeah, Howard Dean was a real train wreck as DNC chairman. n/t DFW Jan 2018 #30
He was great. Okay i take it back. What i meant was for such brilliant and applegrove Jan 2018 #34
Neil Degrass Tyson. haele Jan 2018 #4
I thought of Neil when I read the OP too. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #15
Yup....first to come to mind here too (n/t) Moostache Jan 2018 #28
Well see a Muslim president before we see Codeine Jan 2018 #5
Why? Kilgore Jan 2018 #7
John Hickenlooper, Colorado Governor, is a geologist. marylandblue Jan 2018 #8
And pro oil. El Supremo Jan 2018 #18
Inspirational scientists are rare as diamonds marylandblue Jan 2018 #21
Wasn't Jimmy Carter a nuclear engineer? mitch96 Jan 2018 #9
Yes. You do have to be smart to do both. displacedtexan Jan 2018 #16
Wasn't Jimmy Carter? nt doc03 Jan 2018 #10
Well, yeah, totally agree. But. byronius Jan 2018 #11
Carter fit scientist but not atheist JI7 Jan 2018 #13
Interesting I looked up Jimmy Carter on Wikipedia. The electorial map doc03 Jan 2018 #17
Because the racist had no candidate GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #25
demographic changes in california resulted in CA now being very blue. conservative whites left the JI7 Jan 2018 #40
Carter is a Christian who really lives the word of Jesus Christ csziggy Jan 2018 #32
Sounds good. Eko Jan 2018 #14
We Need Captain Janeway gay texan Jan 2018 #20
I love it that Chancellor Angela Merkel is a PhD in Physics, & that the Pope is a Chemist... Hekate Jan 2018 #22
Your lips to god... NightWatcher Jan 2018 #23
I saw a discussion with Richard Dawkins marylandblue Jan 2018 #26
He asserted without giving any evidence whatsoever. former9thward Jan 2018 #35
True, but I thought it was interesting to think about marylandblue Jan 2018 #36
Yes, it is. former9thward Jan 2018 #37
The problem with this idea is that scientists are trained to be honest, logical and ethical. The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #27
A no religion test is still a religious test. TomSlick Jan 2018 #29
Maybe I should run! Victor_c3 Jan 2018 #31
How about Rush Holt. RGinNJ Jan 2018 #39
I'd rather instead a good, strong and liberal candidate... regardless of career or faith. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #42
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