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regnaD kciN

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58. That's what they said about Reagan, too...
Tue Jan 9, 2018, 02:13 AM
Jan 2018

I remember various Democrats, back in the days of President Bonzo, holding out hope that Robert Redford would toss his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination. Of course, anyone knowing Redford would know the chances of that were infinitesimal -- despite his movie career, "Ordinary Bob" is actually a rather shy introvert who would never want to deal with an elected role -- but it was still the conclusion that only a glamorous, liberal movie star had a chance against The Gipper.

For that matter, I remember some Democratic voices in the mid-'80s, noticing that Trump was a registered Democrat (for the time being), holding out hope that he would mount a "moderate" center-left bid for our nomination, on the grounds that "we need a businessman, not a politician."

Everyone was convinced that Reagan had opened the floodgates for non-politicians, particularly considering his popularity ratings. Nonetheless, for the next twenty-eight years, the office was occupied, respectively, by a former Vice-President, a former Governor of Arkansas, a former Governor of Texas, and a former Senator from Illinois.

As I've written elsewhere, I'm personally agnostic on the issue of an Oprah run. Obviously, if the choice in November 2020 was between her and Trump, there's no doubt who would get my vote. But I would have to see her actual ideas and principles, as spelled out during the crucible of a primary campaign, and how they compared to those of any other challenger, before deciding who would get my pre-convention support.

What is troubling, to me, is the correlation with the desires for a non-politician candidate during our dark days of the Reagan '80s. At the time, it spoke more to the vacuum in the Party itself, and I fear the same may be playing out today. In an ideal world, the proper response to the sudden Oprahmania after last night's speech would be to honor her for her accomplishments in the private sector and her inspirational role for multitudes of Americans, but to recognize that we had a whole series of potential candidates who were smart, principled, charismatic, and already had impressive résumés in elected office. Insofar as there seems at this moment to be a lack of such a candidate behind whom the Party could unite, there will always be dreams of a non-politician outsider (in the old days, the phenomenon was termed "the man on the white horse," although, in this case, the gender would have to be changed) who will come in to "save" the Party...and, from what I've seen, Sunday's #Oprah2020 tsunami suggests that desire is in full-swing among Democrats in 2018.

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I have learned since last night that du has quite a few celebrity worshippers. Tipperary Jan 2018 #1
I have one word for you. Franken. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #2
Franken never ran for President plus he has a degree in political science from Harvard. octoberlib Jan 2018 #6
He also did a political show for a while. LisaM Jan 2018 #14
The title of the post didn't say PRESIDENT. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #23
I assume you actually read the message text? regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #56
Oh, so now you can assume what I read? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #67
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #17
He did not run for President. Codeine Jan 2018 #24
I was refering to the TITLE of the original post, not the body. nm Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #26
I generally respond to the entire content of a post. Codeine Jan 2018 #27
As do I, but that title was so generic that Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #28
Fair enough. Codeine Jan 2018 #32
I have one word for you... exception. phleshdef Jan 2018 #54
Touche'. The problem here seems to be that some think Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #68
all celebrities are not created equal. spanone Jan 2018 #3
I think Al Franken was an exception, and he'd worked in politics for a while. LisaM Jan 2018 #4
Damn right, and im Just sick hes gone. a kennedy Jan 2018 #7
You nailed it. milestogo Jan 2018 #9
He was a long-time good friend of Paul Wellstone. Dave Starsky Jan 2018 #74
I will never say never, but the celebrity would have to... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #5
If she had a D next to her name, maxsolomon Jan 2018 #8
You will vote for Oprah Renew Deal Jan 2018 #10
Oprah isn't Trump EffieBlack Jan 2018 #11
She is a 1%er. They only look out for other rich people. KWR65 Jan 2018 #13
There are several exceptions to your broad-brush maxsolomon Jan 2018 #30
FDR RFK emulatorloo Jan 2018 #52
This is false on its face, Red Don is a typical 1% and anyone could tell that from get uponit7771 Jan 2018 #53
All 1% ers are not equal. pressbox69 Jan 2018 #65
A woman who was born black and poor to a single mother in the backwoods of Mississippi EffieBlack Jan 2018 #73
Sen. Franken, anyone? shenmue Jan 2018 #12
A political science degree from Harvard is not, in your mind, a qualification? jberryhill Jan 2018 #31
The person you're talking to clearly thinks Franken is qualified. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #50
I've already been called 'sexist' for not falling in line. left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #15
Oprah SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #16
I know it's ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as trashbag tRUMP being where he is. nt Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #18
its absurd. Whenever this topic comes up I'm turning the channel. its ignorant samnsara Jan 2018 #19
So, one question: If the choice was Oprah or John Edwards, who would you vote for? MGKrebs Jan 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jan 2018 #21
Same here. Captain Stern Jan 2018 #22
I will never say never... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #25
I agree, didn't we learn anything fromTrump? doc03 Jan 2018 #29
Never name the well from which you will not drink. Liberal Veteran Jan 2018 #33
I won't either. N/T Midwestern Democrat Jan 2018 #34
Your post is offensive, Oprah Winfrey is an American Journalist turned mogul. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #35
If you think that putting someone with absolutely no government experience in the presidency milestogo Jan 2018 #38
You don't get it, the electorate does not want a politician. Period. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #44
Oh really? How did Hillary Clinton win the popular vote? milestogo Jan 2018 #63
Gov Brown had to clean up after Schwarzenegger BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #36
Actually, Governor Brown had to clean up after Reagan, too... regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #57
Dems always clean up the GOP messes BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #62
I will vote for the Democratic candidate... Sancho Jan 2018 #37
What could go wrong? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #39
Interesting that you left out Governor Hickenlooper and President Obama? Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #46
What?? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #48
Why don't we suggest candidates instead of just rejecting the ecstatic Jan 2018 #40
+999999999999999999999999999999999999 angrychair Jan 2018 #41
I will vote for a doorstop before I vote for a Republican. That being said, I hope we don't Squinch Jan 2018 #42
I second that statement! Iahotdog Jan 2018 #43
Maybe not in a primary. But if it were a general election between Trump and....ANYBODY else, Liberty Belle Jan 2018 #45
Trump has destroyed the old paradigm. Prepare for candidates from many fields. VOX Jan 2018 #47
That's what they said about Reagan, too... regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #58
Reagan was governor of California from 1967-1975. VOX Jan 2018 #66
Only 18% of Americans trust government pnwmom Jan 2018 #49
word. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #51
I agree... they must have legislative experience and/or have experience as a large city mayor or gov phleshdef Jan 2018 #55
*I agree, but I would vote for Pee Wee Herman. He would be better joet67 Jan 2018 #59
My celebrity vote goes to... LompocDem Jan 2018 #60
I love that movie. alarimer Jan 2018 #69
oh but she would surround herself with great people! Skittles Jan 2018 #61
it certainly would be a totally squandered opportunity if she is picked. Cobalt Violet Jan 2018 #64
I would. I am not planning on being picky this time mvd Jan 2018 #70
The introduction of "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Oz" are all the reasons I need Beearewhyain Jan 2018 #71
And I'd never vote for a copy editor or anyone in tech support. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #72
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