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cbayer

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135. Able to stand trial vs. not guilty by reason of insanity are very different, you are right.

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:41 PM

Jul 2012

The first pertains to the ability to aid in your own defense, the second to your state of mind at the time the crime was committed.

There is a great diversity among personnel at forensic facilities. Some have been there forever because they are pretty cushy jobs. BUt there has been a significant influx of younger, specialty trained psychiatrists that are phenomenal. I know several of these people personally and their expertise is unequaled. These are the ones judges want to hear from.

I don't know where Colorado is on these issues either, but we shall see.

Funny thing is I get seasick as well. It has abated over the years, but it's still there. When we are under sail, which we are frequently, I can't go below decks at all. But it's worth it in the long run.

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Let's assume Holmes is found guilty of all charges. Death penalty or life? [View all] Johnny Rico Jul 2012 OP

painful death penalty samsingh Jul 2012 #1

Life. ananda Jul 2012 #2

I agree with you. Besides that it isn't going to bring the dead back. However, he'll southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #131

Love you ananda a kennedy Jul 2012 #144

+1 Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #182

Prison is Hell. Far worse than death, and cheaper to the taxpayer. nt onehandle Jul 2012 #3

Hard to believe considering the high number of repeat offenders Freddie Stubbs Jul 2012 #94

Life.....why should the state commit the same crime, murder? AnOhioan Jul 2012 #4

A lawful execution is not murder by definition. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #5

Matter of opinion AnOhioan Jul 2012 #20

ooh right. because if the state says it's not murder and that it's a lawful cali Jul 2012 #21

I agree that it is a state sponsered killing. That is accurate language. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #24

KInda like what finally happened to you. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #198

so...putting him in prison is state sponsored hostage taking... Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #206

Then again, it's the state that's writing that definition. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #116

ok, i know all about godwin's law, but,.... unblock Jul 2012 #129

When you kill another person it is murder no matter the reasons...even war... movonne Jul 2012 #162

That is if you are playing the game pipoman Jul 2012 #190

Murder is defined as MicaelS Jul 2012 #41

Love you AnOhioan a kennedy Jul 2012 #145

I have to go with HappyMe Jul 2012 #6

Same as any other criminal. Xithras Jul 2012 #7

+1 noamnety Jul 2012 #103

I am against the dp in all circumstances. no exceptions. cali Jul 2012 #8

+1 Inspired Jul 2012 #56

+2 ellisonz Jul 2012 #60

+3 LiberalLoner Jul 2012 #154

Love you cali a kennedy Jul 2012 #147

+1 n/t markpkessinger Jul 2012 #173

Life WolverineDG Jul 2012 #9

Love you WolverineDG a kennedy Jul 2012 #149

Life bigwillq Jul 2012 #10

ugh. your post is understandable, but really? is that really what you wish? cali Jul 2012 #12

Yes. See my sig line. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #16

what a remarkably inane quote. cali Jul 2012 #22

It's very appealing to the pubescent male mind. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #146

I hope he rots bigwillq Jul 2012 #186

sure he will...most mass shooters are not insane Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #207

life elana i am Jul 2012 #11

Love you elana i am a kennedy Jul 2012 #150

Life booley Jul 2012 #13

Love you booley a kennedy Jul 2012 #151

thanks booley Jul 2012 #199

Your stance on capital punishment..... a kennedy Jul 2012 #200

since I oppose the death penalty I'd have to vote Life. WI_DEM Jul 2012 #14

Love you WI_DEM...... a kennedy Jul 2012 #140

life in prison is far worse than death, imo. Being caged up like a rat is living death nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #15

A fate worse than death Cayenne Jul 2012 #141

Love you steve2470 a kennedy Jul 2012 #153

aw thanks ! :) nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #188

Firing squad... Upton Jul 2012 #17

Oddly enough... Marinedem Jul 2012 #18

A good percentage of people sentenced for murder have been found innocent. immoderate Jul 2012 #25

perhaps I can help make sense of it for you. cali Jul 2012 #29

but what about when you have someone like this Maine-ah Jul 2012 #104

the problem is the innocent cali Jul 2012 #158

anti-dp arguments are schizophrenic to me Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #209

No, it means we're doing it right. The costs come from mandatory appeals NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #44

The state should not kill people. immoderate Jul 2012 #19

I don't believe in the death penalty for anyone NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #23

+1 jp11 Jul 2012 #27

Love you NNNOLHI a kennedy Jul 2012 #155

life nt Fresh_Start Jul 2012 #26

Thank you Fresh_Start a kennedy Jul 2012 #161

Life without the possibility of parole HockeyMom Jul 2012 #28

Love you HockeyMom a kennedy Jul 2012 #157

Ask the survivors. Tejas Jul 2012 #30

Given the numbers, that will almost certainly be a split decision. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #33

Let him rot in a small cell for the rest of his life. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #31

Thank you Nye Bevan a kennedy Jul 2012 #160

My intellect says life in prison. My emotional side says boil him in oil. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2012 #32

Life Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #34

Here here Reasonable_Argument a kennedy Jul 2012 #156

the death penalty is a reactionary step away from civilization and the kinder and gentler world - Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #35

+ quite a bit cali Jul 2012 #101

Thank you Douglas Carpenter a kennedy Jul 2012 #167

Well said. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #185

the reason we have prisons is we aren't totally civilized... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #210

life, I do not believe in the death penalty sasha031 Jul 2012 #36

Love yo sasha031 a kennedy Jul 2012 #163

a kennedy thank you so much sasha031 Jul 2012 #192

Carol Chambers is the DA. She LOVES the death penalty. kaiden Jul 2012 #37

Firing squad in a gas chamber while strapped to the electric chair. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2012 #38

Nah, too quick. Get medieval on his ass! backscatter712 Jul 2012 #42

If you're gonna give him the electric chair, make sure you "forget" to wet the sponge... backscatter712 Jul 2012 #51

I'm not against the DP, but B2G Jul 2012 #39

Thank you for this 'BUT' B2G a kennedy Jul 2012 #164

A life sentence is a fate worse than death IMHO. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #40

i dont think there's any doubt to his guilt-so in this case no innocent person will be executed leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #43

My point was about the death penalty in general. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #58

Thank yo RedStateLiberal a kennedy Jul 2012 #165

Anytime! RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #191

Life imprisonment. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #45

Thank you NYC Liberal a kennedy Jul 2012 #166

Death penalty justanidea Jul 2012 #46

At first I thought Life, but frogmarch Jul 2012 #52

Life w/ no parole. I oppose the DP, plus I want every opportunity to find petronius Jul 2012 #47

Ditto n/t malaise Jul 2012 #53

Love you petronius a kennedy Jul 2012 #170

won't happen Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #211

I'll wait for the psych exam results hamsterjill Jul 2012 #48

Life - every last day of his life. hifiguy Jul 2012 #49

Thank you for this partly.....but I do not believe in ANY EXECUTIONS. a kennedy Jul 2012 #169

I don't think the state should ever take the life of its citizens. RevStPatrick Jul 2012 #50

Life gopiscrap Jul 2012 #54

Thank you gopiscrap a kennedy Jul 2012 #172

CO is a de-facto non-death penalty state. Democrats_win Jul 2012 #55

I knew one of the managers from that Chuck E Cheese Massacre - met him after the fact Panasonic Jul 2012 #108

Life with no chance of parole. I don't support the death penalty. soccer1 Jul 2012 #57

Life. But then again I'm against the DP Taverner Jul 2012 #59

A eye for a eye and soon we are all blind. sellitman Jul 2012 #60

"If" killing is wrong. Key word. It depends on the circumstances and who is being killed. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #65

"If"? sellitman Jul 2012 #196

Death. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #62

I say make him live every fucking day that its possible for the body to stay alive madokie Jul 2012 #63

The death "penalty" warrprayer Jul 2012 #64

life. Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #66

Government "Covert assignations"...what does the recent Secret Service sex scandle have Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #68

should have used my Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #69

Whatever it is, I say it include the right to autopsy his brain Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #67

Life. white_wolf Jul 2012 #70

Life get the red out Jul 2012 #71

Nope. Life. rrneck Jul 2012 #72

I do not support the death penalty at all. n/t FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #73

Life. reflection Jul 2012 #74

forever in prison. doesnt mean life, necessarily. i am opposed to DP. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #75

Life in prison w/out possibility of parole bluestateguy Jul 2012 #76

Give him the choice Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #77

I am anti-death penalty. Alduin Jul 2012 #78

Life KamaAina Jul 2012 #79

I would normally vote Death... MicaelS Jul 2012 #80

That's a tough one permatex Jul 2012 #81

I'm thouroughly for marsis Jul 2012 #82

Well EarlG gave the OP the DU version of the death penalty: Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #83

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This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #89

Don't get too drunk... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #91

Good for Admin/MIRT. ellisonz Jul 2012 #93

I'm going to set out the troll bait again. ellisonz Jul 2012 #92

thank goodness. cali Jul 2012 #102

Now that's a death penalty I can actually support. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #193

Life. Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #84

this case is difficult JitterbugPerfume Jul 2012 #86

Life. I oppose the death penalty. It is barbaric... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #87

Time in a forensic psychiatric facility until *well* (if that ever happens), then cbayer Jul 2012 #88

If he spends time in a forensic facility, it will be because he was found incompetent to stand trial amandabeech Jul 2012 #97

That would be my prediction as well. cbayer Jul 2012 #98

I'm glad to see someone here who sees things the same way. amandabeech Jul 2012 #99

I would put money on it. Now the debate will be whether or not he should be cbayer Jul 2012 #100

Interesting point about the medication. amandabeech Jul 2012 #105

But medication can make someone meet the criteria for standing trial. cbayer Jul 2012 #114

If the medication makes him able to stand trial, amandabeech Jul 2012 #123

Able to stand trial vs. not guilty by reason of insanity are very different, you are right. cbayer Jul 2012 #135

Hinckley would be out but he picked the wrong jaysunb Jul 2012 #159

Prison til dead. Kalidurga Jul 2012 #90

Life in prison Robyn66 Jul 2012 #95

Life - far cheaper for us, far more unpleasant for him hatrack Jul 2012 #96

Solitary confinement, no contact with anyone Panasonic Jul 2012 #106

I vote for Death by Shootin Squad or Solitary Confinement for LIFE. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #107

Death Politicalboi Jul 2012 #109

Death penalty n/t RebelOne Jul 2012 #110

Life in solitary confinement. Avalux Jul 2012 #111

I appreciate those who call for death penalty. longship Jul 2012 #112

"Life in prison with no parole...." Carolina Jul 2012 #121

Is the death penalty really a good deterrent? AntiFascist Jul 2012 #113

Keep him alive to think about what he's done Ken Burch Jul 2012 #115

Heinous crime? Check. Certainty of agency? Check. Mitigating circumstances? dunno yet aikoaiko Jul 2012 #117

if found guilty the death penalty is appropriate Riftaxe Jul 2012 #118

Life. mzmolly Jul 2012 #119

Death Carolina Jul 2012 #120

Life. I'm not a fan of capital punishment JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #122

Life w/o parole .... littlewolf Jul 2012 #124

use treatment to veganlush Jul 2012 #125

build him a special cell veganlush Jul 2012 #126

life. let's not add to the culture of death, please. unblock Jul 2012 #127

Life TNLib Jul 2012 #128

Life in prison: the death penalty is not harsh enough. DinahMoeHum Jul 2012 #130

Life. I oppose the death penalty in all cases. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #132

Life w/o parole will kill him cheaper and quicker than the death penalty n/t dogknob Jul 2012 #133

Life, as a deterrent to anyone planning to go out in a blaze of glory. Scuba Jul 2012 #134

OP is PPR as a repeat disruptor. Go back to free republic, you gun loving death loving troll. Electric Monk Jul 2012 #136

Deadski. Now. Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #137

WE, AS A COUNTRY, ARE BETTER THEN "KILL HIM" a kennedy Jul 2012 #138

Personally I think he'll get the death penalty freethought Jul 2012 #139

Flame bait lunatica Jul 2012 #142

Dear Johnny redwitch Jul 2012 #143

Johnny's gone. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Ineeda Jul 2012 #189

As always, life. The death penalty is just one more example of uniquely American insanity. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #148

death by slow torture on the courthouse steps rdking647 Jul 2012 #152

Life Ezlivin Jul 2012 #168

I am unequivocally opposed to the death penalty in all instances n/t markpkessinger Jul 2012 #171

Besides the fact that I unequivocally oppose capital punishment . . . markpkessinger Jul 2012 #174

OK, sorry, can't love all the "lifers" ..... a kennedy Jul 2012 #175

Love to you too, a kennedy petronius Jul 2012 #187

Life. Death penalty is barbaric. indivisibleman Jul 2012 #176

Life. RumNcoke Jul 2012 #177

Life. Living in a 64 sq. ft cell for the next 60 years is a better penalty than death. madinmaryland Jul 2012 #178

I have a bigger concern. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #179

Life with a box in his cell... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #180

life madrchsod Jul 2012 #181

Life wellst0nev0ter Jul 2012 #183

If this isn't a capital case nothing is. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #184

I guess it's Johnny Muerto now. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #194

I oppose the death penalty in all cases. nt MrScorpio Jul 2012 #195

Life in prison, or life in a secure psychiatric lock-up slackmaster Jul 2012 #197

Life in prison get the red out Jul 2012 #201

Life, no parole, work 6 days a week, to earn proceeds that go 100% to victims families, mandatory patrice Jul 2012 #202

Life. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #203

!00 years for each count Consecutive. Then possibly parol after he completes 50%. Vincardog Jul 2012 #204

I don't believe the death penalty would be wrong in this case... Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #205

Multi-life sentences back to back and released into general population. part man all 86 Jul 2012 #208