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ollie10

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43. Trump has been awful, yes....

Tue Jan 9, 2018, 01:18 PM

Jan 2018

But that is because he is a jerk/authoritarian/mobster/et al. It has little to do with how much government experience he had.

Oprah is not a jerk.

Even being a jerk, Trump still was elected. Because he was a able to manipulate the media, and had name recognition. And being a media star helped him.

Seems to me, if it works being a celebrity, maybe it would be a good idea to get one to destroy the jerk, rather than rejecting her out of hand. We tried nominating someone who was emminently qualified and experienced last time and it didn't work out so well.

Let this sink in. Trump is president. ANd he would be president 4 more years if our nominee, whoever that is, does not win. We should be looking for the strongest candidate available. Forget about purity tests. We need to win.

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I dare say Oprah is not that different from Obama!! [View all] hertopos Jan 2018 OP

Go Oprah! saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #1

Why not go for another totally vetted person for VP....Michelle! ollie10 Jan 2018 #10

She is an excellent choice. saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #14

I am a woman...and from what I can tell...part of why Hillary lost is because she is a woman. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #45

I agree with most of what you said. There was a lot of sexism against Hillary, but I'm... brush Jan 2018 #59

I will vote for who ever is the Democratic nominee. I want one that can win...being able to fix Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #67

Any Dem who has the greatest chance of beating the Repubs, big time. Forget the poles, they don't Alice11111 Jan 2018 #113

Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. Being a woman is no longer a deal breaker. LAS14 Jan 2018 #77

True. And Oprah would certainly cut into trump's white women vote. They were a huge... brush Jan 2018 #89

The ticket that would make Trump's head explode: Oprah/Michelle ollie10 Jan 2018 #2

They are both geniuses, but in very different ways. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3

Specifically, why is Oprah unqualified to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #6

She is a decent, wonderful human being. I admire her a great deal. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #8

Yet ollie10 Jan 2018 #18

Should a bright kid, straight out of college, apply for CEO of a major corporation? FiveGoodMen Jan 2018 #52

Tell that to Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg ollie10 Jan 2018 #54

"is your point that you can't win a presidential election without experience?" FiveGoodMen Jan 2018 #63

Yes, look at who we've got now! ollie10 Jan 2018 #65

They both left Harvard, without graduating, so not to miss the opportunity before them. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #114

Her genuine kindness would be an asset in getting the US back on track globally..n/t monmouth4 Jan 2018 #28

The Secret, Dr Oz and Dr Phil.... her hatred of payin g taxes and business entanglements. bettyellen Jan 2018 #44

So we reject someone who could beat Trump ....because..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #47

We have lots of people who could beat Trump for fucks sake. False narrative. She pitched too much bettyellen Jan 2018 #49

And Hillary inevitably would beat Trump....right? ollie10 Jan 2018 #51

You totally missed the point of the speech. Elevating false heroes like its 2016 again is the bettyellen Jan 2018 #109

Not me, I'll not vote for Oprah (or another TV star) to be our Candidate HopeAgain Jan 2018 #4

She has experience. Just not the kind you recognize... ollie10 Jan 2018 #7

I don't recognize it for a reason. nt HopeAgain Jan 2018 #9

So what is your reason? ollie10 Jan 2018 #12

I thought I stated them before HopeAgain Jan 2018 #21

Electability for starters ollie10 Jan 2018 #24

Reigniting the anti-vaccine movement, and don't forget the Suzanne Summers HopeAgain Jan 2018 #30

The Secret! Dr Oz! Just kill me now. bettyellen Jan 2018 #46

How about "You get a car, you get a car!", etc. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2018 #123

This! n/t Blaukraut Jan 2018 #25

Thanks for debunking saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #19

Trump won in part by attacking the notion of the establishment.... ollie10 Jan 2018 #23

Not the kind GE voters will recognize...Trump is a celebrity president and has been awful. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #40

Trump has been awful, yes.... ollie10 Jan 2018 #43

I don't think a celebrity will help in 20...consider that some have recognized why electing a Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #69

so it is demographics? ollie10 Jan 2018 #73

Oh baloney...I have millenials in my house and they don't give a rats ass about Oprah. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #81

and your millenial children probably don't give a rat's ass about experience either ollie10 Jan 2018 #86

They are not interested right now...they are more focused on 18. I want to win. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #102

Because it's irrelevant experience mythology Jan 2018 #111

x 1000 peggysue2 Jan 2018 #68

Maybe you will come to the new Obama Library being built here to learn more about his lunasun Jan 2018 #5

Two important differences YessirAtsaFact Jan 2018 #11

America has to decide if it wants to be seen as a serious, responsible country. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #13

First and foremost, we need someone who WILL win...not MIGHT, WILL! ollie10 Jan 2018 #15

Obama, to the best of my knowledge, is not a believer in nonsense. alarimer Jan 2018 #16

Fine, don't support Dr Oz ollie10 Jan 2018 #20

You cannot be serious. alarimer Jan 2018 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author 33taw Jan 2018 #48

Obama had over a decade of government experience under his belt. phleshdef Jan 2018 #17

She will win. If we nominate someone who doesn't win....then we get 4 more years of Trump ollie10 Jan 2018 #27

She won't win a general. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #34

I think she may have more difficulty winning the nomination than the general ollie10 Jan 2018 #37

We have actual qualified people who can win phleshdef Jan 2018 #50

That's a blanket statement...not qualified? ollie10 Jan 2018 #53

Oh don't try to pull that shit on me phleshdef Jan 2018 #55

So why is she unqualified? ollie10 Jan 2018 #58

She has no government experience phleshdef Jan 2018 #60

She has lots of experience. Just not the kind of experience you recognize ollie10 Jan 2018 #62

I don't give a fuck about her other experiences. phleshdef Jan 2018 #66

Tell you what.....amend the Constitution ollie10 Jan 2018 #70

The founding fathers did a lot of stupid shit. phleshdef Jan 2018 #72

if your argument is that the founding fathers were a bunch of dicks, then I am sure Trump would ollie10 Jan 2018 #76

Nice nonsensical, completely ineffective attempt at a rebuttal. phleshdef Jan 2018 #83

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #88

"Har har har, you suck" phleshdef Jan 2018 #94

So Einstein.....the Constitution does not require experience to be president..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #97

Yea, it doesn't require you to prove mental fitness either, thus we have Trump. phleshdef Jan 2018 #99

We have Trump because we nominated someone who couldn't beat him ollie10 Jan 2018 #101

She also had decades of negative political baggage, fair or unfair. phleshdef Jan 2018 #106

Nah...she won't win a primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #82

I hope not. Our party has lost its damn mind if we do some stupid shit like that. phleshdef Jan 2018 #85

I agree. She is not capable of winning or governing. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #104

So Trump has debased the Office so far that we no longer think experience in enough Jan 2018 #26

You are self-contradictory ollie10 Jan 2018 #29

You can't get hired as a teacher unless you are certified...she has not experience and what makes Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #33

What did the founding fathers say about the number of years experience required to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #36

What does that have to do with anything...but they did set an age requirement which in those days Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #78

You like her....sure ollie10 Jan 2018 #80

I admire her tremendously. I don't think she should be president. She is a great person from what I Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #87

Did George Washington have enough experience to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #95

He helped form the government so yeah he had 'experience'.But seriously comparing the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #98

The founding fathers wouldn't even allow Oprah to vote. phleshdef Jan 2018 #92

oh please, be real ollie10 Jan 2018 #38

No they don't. There are some programs to hire math and science but you have to obtain a teaching Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #74

as I said..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #79

The teacher has to pass a praxis...and is awarded temporary certification...based on Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #105

No it's not self contradictory at all phleshdef Jan 2018 #57

So what kind of logic is this? ollie10 Jan 2018 #61

The HOR Bettie Jan 2018 #119

She is not a constitutional lawyer. She has not been involved in politics. If she is interested she Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #31

I think the voters should decide, not you and not me ollie10 Jan 2018 #39

It is a discussion...and you have certainly discussed it...now you want 'to leave it to Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #71

Oprah is a good, well read woman with empathy and kindness at her core. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #32

Most presidents didn't have a "deep and educated knowledge of the constitution," I'm pretty sure. n LAS14 Jan 2018 #90

Oprah has less on this type of knowledge that most elected officials BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #107

I know no more than you do, but I'd bet that she'd surprise you if given a quiz. nt LAS14 Jan 2018 #126

Comparing Obama's experience in 2008 to Oprah's today John Fante Jan 2018 #35

Totally true and totally obvious to those with open eyes Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #100

These two sentences sum it all up. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #41

We were a very different country in 2008 delisen Jan 2018 #42

You post is so important...the most important one on this thread. There will be no Democratic Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #96

I dont think obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2018 #56

Is she a constitutional law expert before going into politics? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #64

I agree with everything you've said, but in these discussions... LAS14 Jan 2018 #75

His inexperience was rather harmful dsc Jan 2018 #84

Good point. LAS14 Jan 2018 #93

If she gets the nomination, Trump will win again. Turbineguy Jan 2018 #91

What is her foreign policy? What is her domestic policy? left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #103

Sorry Heartstrings Jan 2018 #108

Is there any reason to believe she'd run as a DEMOCRAT? LisaM Jan 2018 #110

Obama is a US Constitutional scholar, graduate of Harvard law trc Jan 2018 #112

... LexVegas Jan 2018 #115

This is why Democrats lose,because here we are talking about the Presidential primary INdemo Jan 2018 #116

To be fair, most Democrats aren't here at all. phleshdef Jan 2018 #121

My point was...why arent we focused on the Midterms instead of INdemo Jan 2018 #125

Which law review did she editor? L. Coyote Jan 2018 #117

This is utterly ridiculous. What is it with the cult of celebrity in America ? OnDoutside Jan 2018 #118

Lol, "but with the right running mate !" KTM Jan 2018 #120

I like the idea that she cant be bought marlakay Jan 2018 #122

Sure, other than not being a constitutional scholar, state senator, U.S. Senator..... BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2018 #124

Thank you, hertopos saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #127