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Demsrule86

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45. I am a woman...and from what I can tell...part of why Hillary lost is because she is a woman.

Tue Jan 9, 2018, 01:21 PM

Jan 2018

She was treated abominably both in the primary and in the GE. No man has ever faced this sort of treatment. My future son in law is a person of color and a Democrat. He told me that in his barbershop that the guys that went there said they wouldn't vote for a woman for president. These were mostly Black men...and Democrats. We already know how the GOP feels about women. I would love to see a woman president, but I have to ask, is this the year to try i?t If we don't win in 20, we are truly fucked for a generation. It almost doesn't matter who wins after that...so much damage with the courts will be done. Can a woman be elected president inn 2020? Never mind the fact that Oprah has no experience and is running on her status as a celebrity. Can any woman make it? I want a woman president in my lifetime...but I want to win in 20 more. Honestly, it is more important to win than who the candidate is.

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I dare say Oprah is not that different from Obama!! [View all] hertopos Jan 2018 OP

Go Oprah! saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #1

Why not go for another totally vetted person for VP....Michelle! ollie10 Jan 2018 #10

She is an excellent choice. saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #14

I am a woman...and from what I can tell...part of why Hillary lost is because she is a woman. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #45

I agree with most of what you said. There was a lot of sexism against Hillary, but I'm... brush Jan 2018 #59

I will vote for who ever is the Democratic nominee. I want one that can win...being able to fix Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #67

Any Dem who has the greatest chance of beating the Repubs, big time. Forget the poles, they don't Alice11111 Jan 2018 #113

Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. Being a woman is no longer a deal breaker. LAS14 Jan 2018 #77

True. And Oprah would certainly cut into trump's white women vote. They were a huge... brush Jan 2018 #89

The ticket that would make Trump's head explode: Oprah/Michelle ollie10 Jan 2018 #2

They are both geniuses, but in very different ways. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3

Specifically, why is Oprah unqualified to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #6

She is a decent, wonderful human being. I admire her a great deal. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #8

Yet ollie10 Jan 2018 #18

Should a bright kid, straight out of college, apply for CEO of a major corporation? FiveGoodMen Jan 2018 #52

Tell that to Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg ollie10 Jan 2018 #54

"is your point that you can't win a presidential election without experience?" FiveGoodMen Jan 2018 #63

Yes, look at who we've got now! ollie10 Jan 2018 #65

They both left Harvard, without graduating, so not to miss the opportunity before them. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #114

Her genuine kindness would be an asset in getting the US back on track globally..n/t monmouth4 Jan 2018 #28

The Secret, Dr Oz and Dr Phil.... her hatred of payin g taxes and business entanglements. bettyellen Jan 2018 #44

So we reject someone who could beat Trump ....because..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #47

We have lots of people who could beat Trump for fucks sake. False narrative. She pitched too much bettyellen Jan 2018 #49

And Hillary inevitably would beat Trump....right? ollie10 Jan 2018 #51

You totally missed the point of the speech. Elevating false heroes like its 2016 again is the bettyellen Jan 2018 #109

Not me, I'll not vote for Oprah (or another TV star) to be our Candidate HopeAgain Jan 2018 #4

She has experience. Just not the kind you recognize... ollie10 Jan 2018 #7

I don't recognize it for a reason. nt HopeAgain Jan 2018 #9

So what is your reason? ollie10 Jan 2018 #12

I thought I stated them before HopeAgain Jan 2018 #21

Electability for starters ollie10 Jan 2018 #24

Reigniting the anti-vaccine movement, and don't forget the Suzanne Summers HopeAgain Jan 2018 #30

The Secret! Dr Oz! Just kill me now. bettyellen Jan 2018 #46

How about "You get a car, you get a car!", etc. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2018 #123

This! n/t Blaukraut Jan 2018 #25

Thanks for debunking saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #19

Trump won in part by attacking the notion of the establishment.... ollie10 Jan 2018 #23

Not the kind GE voters will recognize...Trump is a celebrity president and has been awful. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #40

Trump has been awful, yes.... ollie10 Jan 2018 #43

I don't think a celebrity will help in 20...consider that some have recognized why electing a Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #69

so it is demographics? ollie10 Jan 2018 #73

Oh baloney...I have millenials in my house and they don't give a rats ass about Oprah. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #81

and your millenial children probably don't give a rat's ass about experience either ollie10 Jan 2018 #86

They are not interested right now...they are more focused on 18. I want to win. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #102

Because it's irrelevant experience mythology Jan 2018 #111

x 1000 peggysue2 Jan 2018 #68

Maybe you will come to the new Obama Library being built here to learn more about his lunasun Jan 2018 #5

Two important differences YessirAtsaFact Jan 2018 #11

America has to decide if it wants to be seen as a serious, responsible country. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #13

First and foremost, we need someone who WILL win...not MIGHT, WILL! ollie10 Jan 2018 #15

Obama, to the best of my knowledge, is not a believer in nonsense. alarimer Jan 2018 #16

Fine, don't support Dr Oz ollie10 Jan 2018 #20

You cannot be serious. alarimer Jan 2018 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author 33taw Jan 2018 #48

Obama had over a decade of government experience under his belt. phleshdef Jan 2018 #17

She will win. If we nominate someone who doesn't win....then we get 4 more years of Trump ollie10 Jan 2018 #27

She won't win a general. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #34

I think she may have more difficulty winning the nomination than the general ollie10 Jan 2018 #37

We have actual qualified people who can win phleshdef Jan 2018 #50

That's a blanket statement...not qualified? ollie10 Jan 2018 #53

Oh don't try to pull that shit on me phleshdef Jan 2018 #55

So why is she unqualified? ollie10 Jan 2018 #58

She has no government experience phleshdef Jan 2018 #60

She has lots of experience. Just not the kind of experience you recognize ollie10 Jan 2018 #62

I don't give a fuck about her other experiences. phleshdef Jan 2018 #66

Tell you what.....amend the Constitution ollie10 Jan 2018 #70

The founding fathers did a lot of stupid shit. phleshdef Jan 2018 #72

if your argument is that the founding fathers were a bunch of dicks, then I am sure Trump would ollie10 Jan 2018 #76

Nice nonsensical, completely ineffective attempt at a rebuttal. phleshdef Jan 2018 #83

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #88

"Har har har, you suck" phleshdef Jan 2018 #94

So Einstein.....the Constitution does not require experience to be president..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #97

Yea, it doesn't require you to prove mental fitness either, thus we have Trump. phleshdef Jan 2018 #99

We have Trump because we nominated someone who couldn't beat him ollie10 Jan 2018 #101

She also had decades of negative political baggage, fair or unfair. phleshdef Jan 2018 #106

Nah...she won't win a primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #82

I hope not. Our party has lost its damn mind if we do some stupid shit like that. phleshdef Jan 2018 #85

I agree. She is not capable of winning or governing. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #104

So Trump has debased the Office so far that we no longer think experience in enough Jan 2018 #26

You are self-contradictory ollie10 Jan 2018 #29

You can't get hired as a teacher unless you are certified...she has not experience and what makes Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #33

What did the founding fathers say about the number of years experience required to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #36

What does that have to do with anything...but they did set an age requirement which in those days Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #78

You like her....sure ollie10 Jan 2018 #80

I admire her tremendously. I don't think she should be president. She is a great person from what I Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #87

Did George Washington have enough experience to be president? ollie10 Jan 2018 #95

He helped form the government so yeah he had 'experience'.But seriously comparing the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #98

The founding fathers wouldn't even allow Oprah to vote. phleshdef Jan 2018 #92

oh please, be real ollie10 Jan 2018 #38

No they don't. There are some programs to hire math and science but you have to obtain a teaching Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #74

as I said..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #79

The teacher has to pass a praxis...and is awarded temporary certification...based on Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #105

No it's not self contradictory at all phleshdef Jan 2018 #57

So what kind of logic is this? ollie10 Jan 2018 #61

The HOR Bettie Jan 2018 #119

She is not a constitutional lawyer. She has not been involved in politics. If she is interested she Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #31

I think the voters should decide, not you and not me ollie10 Jan 2018 #39

It is a discussion...and you have certainly discussed it...now you want 'to leave it to Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #71

Oprah is a good, well read woman with empathy and kindness at her core. BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #32

Most presidents didn't have a "deep and educated knowledge of the constitution," I'm pretty sure. n LAS14 Jan 2018 #90

Oprah has less on this type of knowledge that most elected officials BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #107

I know no more than you do, but I'd bet that she'd surprise you if given a quiz. nt LAS14 Jan 2018 #126

Comparing Obama's experience in 2008 to Oprah's today John Fante Jan 2018 #35

Totally true and totally obvious to those with open eyes Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #100

These two sentences sum it all up. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #41

We were a very different country in 2008 delisen Jan 2018 #42

You post is so important...the most important one on this thread. There will be no Democratic Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #96

I dont think obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2018 #56

Is she a constitutional law expert before going into politics? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #64

I agree with everything you've said, but in these discussions... LAS14 Jan 2018 #75

His inexperience was rather harmful dsc Jan 2018 #84

Good point. LAS14 Jan 2018 #93

If she gets the nomination, Trump will win again. Turbineguy Jan 2018 #91

What is her foreign policy? What is her domestic policy? left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #103

Sorry Heartstrings Jan 2018 #108

Is there any reason to believe she'd run as a DEMOCRAT? LisaM Jan 2018 #110

Obama is a US Constitutional scholar, graduate of Harvard law trc Jan 2018 #112

... LexVegas Jan 2018 #115

This is why Democrats lose,because here we are talking about the Presidential primary INdemo Jan 2018 #116

To be fair, most Democrats aren't here at all. phleshdef Jan 2018 #121

My point was...why arent we focused on the Midterms instead of INdemo Jan 2018 #125

Which law review did she editor? L. Coyote Jan 2018 #117

This is utterly ridiculous. What is it with the cult of celebrity in America ? OnDoutside Jan 2018 #118

Lol, "but with the right running mate !" KTM Jan 2018 #120

I like the idea that she cant be bought marlakay Jan 2018 #122

Sure, other than not being a constitutional scholar, state senator, U.S. Senator..... BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2018 #124

Thank you, hertopos saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #127