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sarah FAILIN

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124. I'm not offended

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 08:57 AM

Jan 2018

Everyone else has jumped to the conclusion that my son was agreeing with the biological statements and I did too at the time. I was correcting him is how we came to have the discussion because I thought that was all the memo was saying since people here said that is what it was. I still have never interest in reading it btw..
What my son said was that the guy was saying if you continue to hire less qualified people just because they fill a quota, you are not going to do as well as you would hiring the most qualified people. I still agree with that. That reasoning would keep a lot of "buddy hires" and bosses kids out too. He specifically said the guy said a lot of stupid stuff, but that this is the core. I'm not disappointed in my son at all because he thought about the statements and made a decision without depending on what was the popular thing to say.

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Author of Google Memo Sues Former Employer For Discrimination Against Conservative White Men [View all] Gothmog Jan 2018 OP

Ugh! rownesheck Jan 2018 #1

and you hate yourself? nt burnbaby Jan 2018 #180

My son read this guy's memo and agrees with him sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #2

He actually argued that genetically women are inferior at coding....the kid is a moron bettyellen Jan 2018 #3

I didn't read it myself sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #6

He sounds like a lot of young tech guys, to be honest. Book smart in a narrow area but.... bettyellen Jan 2018 #7

Are you saying my son is a NAZI? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #18

No, but the fact that he didnt realize this genetic superiority crap has a sick history and has bettyellen Jan 2018 #20

I'm done here. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #25

Im sure you think your child knows more than Googles HR department despite that not being his field bettyellen Jan 2018 #29

tell us what the quota is at the company he is referring to CreekDog Jan 2018 #35

Like I said.. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #39

you said there's a quota to hire women, PROVE IT CreekDog Jan 2018 #40

I think you need to go back and stalk me some more sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #43

then prove to us there's a quota (you know those are illegal right?) CreekDog Jan 2018 #54

Wow. That explains a great fucking deal right there. Codeine Jan 2018 #56

Wow! mcar Jan 2018 #93

You have lied about me and I'm pretty sick of your crap. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #119

Somehow... tonedevil Jan 2018 #137

And you are another person that has trouble comprehending what you read. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #146

You wrote 2500 words about what your "son" "thinks" here -w/o reading the memo he's talking about CreekDog Jan 2018 #148

Did you even read the post you just replied to? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #154

The premise of the Google memorandum was wrong Gothmog Jan 2018 #74

You should give thought... tonedevil Jan 2018 #76

How do we know the best happen to be the white guys? treestar Jan 2018 #86

An interesting assumption, isn't it? mcar Jan 2018 #88

Your son is equally outraged over nepotism hires too, right? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #139

Yes he is sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #141

Would you consider your son intelligent? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #143

How would you feel if you were a were the well qualified female sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #157

You're acting like I've never been passed over for a job I was easily qualified for Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #176

what you are ignoring here mercuryblues Jan 2018 #128

I think you need to take a look at your own responses to this thread. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #167

"Superior" MichMary Jan 2018 #163

Yet not qualified... tonedevil Jan 2018 #179

More like-- MichMary Jan 2018 #182

I do not know what she said DonCoquixote Jan 2018 #151

why are you commenting on something you didn't read? CreekDog Jan 2018 #34

I never claimed to have read it sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #37

What specifically is this new perspective of genetically inferior women you were introduced to? LanternWaste Jan 2018 #95

I don't get all this "inferior" & "superior" MichMary Jan 2018 #164

Have you read the memo itself? yardwork Jan 2018 #169

I skimmed the memo MichMary Jan 2018 #170

Do you skim candidates' positions and base your vote on what somebody else tells you? yardwork Jan 2018 #172

Okay. MichMary Jan 2018 #173

You don't consider being accused of neuroticism as inferior? yardwork Jan 2018 #174

I saw that, and it did strike me as odd MichMary Jan 2018 #175

Interestingly... tonedevil Jan 2018 #178

FTA: MichMary Jan 2018 #183

Why do you assume that women "want" to do all the domestic work? yardwork Jan 2018 #186

Who says they want to? MichMary Jan 2018 #190

We can address the falsehoods and pseudoscience that keep women from being allowed to succeed. yardwork Jan 2018 #184

Nearly half of all medical school enrollees MichMary Jan 2018 #188

I think that you should stop digging. You're in a pretty deep hole. yardwork Jan 2018 #189

Huh. MichMary Jan 2018 #191

You're accusing those of us who read the memo of a "knee jerk reaction." yardwork Jan 2018 #168

Are "targets" and "goals" not the same as a quota? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #181

No, they are not. If you don't know the difference, look it up. yardwork Jan 2018 #185

They are the same thing. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #192

No, theyre not. tammywammy Jan 2018 #194

you sound really expert, you haven't even read the document that got him fired CreekDog Jan 2018 #193

According to the linked article, the original memo was 10 pages. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #69

If she's going to comment on the memo to defend it because her son read it, that's ridiculous CreekDog Jan 2018 #70

OK, I understand now Jim Lane Jan 2018 #78

I'm open to entertaining conjecture of additional perspectives of the inferior genetics of women. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #97

Sorry, but you've completely misread my post. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #105

I read your post in the context of your other posts about race and gender issues. CreekDog Jan 2018 #121

Your "context" was something I wrote in 2014???? Jim Lane Jan 2018 #125

Have your views of race and racism changed significantly since 2014? CreekDog Jan 2018 #133

The post you linked has ZERO to do with race and racism. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #142

Fair enough. I should have used a better post to illustrate my issue CreekDog Jan 2018 #150

Given the content... tonedevil Jan 2018 #77

That's an absurd characterization of the thread. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #80

The memo says... tonedevil Jan 2018 #81

I have read multiple times in this thread MichMary Jan 2018 #165

No, It Is Not Objectively True ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2018 #114

Curtain number one seems much more probable. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #98

Unlike "Let's Make a Deal," the car could also be behind both. (n/t) Jim Lane Jan 2018 #106

Did you read the petition? Gothmog Jan 2018 #110

No. As I said, I haven't read any of this gentleman's work. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #115

The petition was an amusing read Gothmog Jan 2018 #127

Did it raise a disparate impact claim? Jim Lane Jan 2018 #129

Its hard to quantify less qualified. Codeine Jan 2018 #4

When people wonder why the internet is a cess pool of anger, misogyny and bettyellen Jan 2018 #9

Its tough out there for guys like him! Codeine Jan 2018 #10

This meme.. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #12

If he had either of those things Codeine Jan 2018 #15

This guy didn't create the meme did he? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #21

Of course youre correct about the photo, Codeine Jan 2018 #24

Which guys do you mean by "those guys"? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #26

The MRA crowd that the photo is mocking. nt Codeine Jan 2018 #28

I had to look that up. MRA Men's Rights Activists sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #31

Either those guys had really bad lawyers or the situation is not as represented. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #47

+1000000000 treestar Jan 2018 #89

why did you look it up? CreekDog Jan 2018 #57

If they spend that much time taking care of the kids treestar Jan 2018 #87

I respectfully disagree sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #11

Respectfully, that is why the tech field Codeine Jan 2018 #14

+1 tammywammy Jan 2018 #16

Exactly- the output of the work suffers from lack of diversity- same ill our government suffers from bettyellen Jan 2018 #22

So certifications mean nothing? sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #23

Are we talking about surgeons or the people Codeine Jan 2018 #27

Nailed it! bettyellen Jan 2018 #30

Actually you are wrong in all counts sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #32

I personally do not buy the premise Codeine Jan 2018 #42

I never said my son admired him sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #48

Im not talking about the emotional crap. Codeine Jan 2018 #51

You say I have been completely destroyed in this thread, lol sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #53

Yes you've ruined it all without actually reading the thing the thread is about in the first place CreekDog Jan 2018 #55

You need a new shovel tazkcmo Jan 2018 #104

for someone who didn't read the memo, you provide a lot of detail about how deeply it was read CreekDog Jan 2018 #71

and hide behind the son treestar Jan 2018 #92

DOOR BUZZARD!!! CreekDog Jan 2018 #147

The writer was NOT right, the writer is a person who is privileged and feels equality is oppression uponit7771 Jan 2018 #60

your son is correct burnbaby Jan 2018 #83

35 years... tonedevil Jan 2018 #108

Thank you sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #120

Spot on. cwydro Jan 2018 #68

Respectfully, as one who has training and certifications in a profession... AZCat Jan 2018 #36

I am a university trained, experienced engineer. Blue_true Jan 2018 #44

But you don't say that the best people have to be sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #49

Gender and race can matter. Codeine Jan 2018 #52

+1, people who've worked in diverse engineering environments know this outright by experience uponit7771 Jan 2018 #63

Boggles the mind that we're seeing this here mcar Jan 2018 #94

The privileged feel the best people have to be other privileged people. diversity of thought in ... uponit7771 Jan 2018 #62

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #61

Who said that? treestar Jan 2018 #91

The mediocre people just happen to be the blacks/POC and the women? treestar Jan 2018 #90

People seem to forget about ALL of the aspects of a new hire BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author TCJ70 Jan 2018 #113

Especially since most people aren't an Einstien or Jobs, even though they think they are. haele Jan 2018 #134

Read the memo that the guy wrote. Blue_true Jan 2018 #38

Nope sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #41

So, he assumes that women and some minorities are mediocre at birth. Blue_true Jan 2018 #45

That is not what was said sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #50

Yes it was !!! He injected birth ability into his analysis like a privileged asshole uponit7771 Jan 2018 #65

you wrote 2500 words in this thread about a memo you didn't read one word of CreekDog Jan 2018 #149

You have followed me around like a stalker trolling me sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #155

I haven't threatened you, I've only pointed out what you said in this thread CreekDog Jan 2018 #156

You are following me like an obsessed loon sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #158

why are you so intent on derailing this thread with your son's opinion on the memo? CreekDog Jan 2018 #159

I know guys like him Skittles Jan 2018 #59

+1, I've experienced it first hand and their bigotry can be categorical uponit7771 Jan 2018 #66

He's a bigot malaise Jan 2018 #72

Exactly and if my son said such things which he would never ....his sisters and I would set him Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #123

His "mediocre" was people who weren't white males !! You didn't read it or at least the whole thing uponit7771 Jan 2018 #64

He used "majority" a lot when talking about hiring. Blue_true Jan 2018 #117

But why is this sort thinks that women and POC are always mediocre...I think many of this Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #162

they're both wrong Skittles Jan 2018 #58

James Damore is an alt right mens rights activist. octoberlib Jan 2018 #73

You set up a biased either/or - either diverse or best. In reality, a group can be both diverse and suffragette Jan 2018 #107

There are plenty of qualified women...that is BS...first of all and without pressure you would find Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #122

I'm not offended sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #124

I don't agree with that. There are women out there who are qualified. That is their excuse. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #144

I think we are not talking about the same thing. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #145

People get hired for all sorts of reason...nepotism etc. And who the best candidate is not based Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #160

I get where he's coming from Locrian Jan 2018 #166

Your son's reading of it was wrong n/t obamanut2012 Jan 2018 #135

I think his perception was different since he ignored the stuff about biological differences sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #140

Yes, because underqualified mediocre white bros have never, EVER Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #138

Find a safe space SNOWFLAKE DiverDave Jan 2018 #5

They need more safe spaces than any group they belittle! Initech Jan 2018 #13

One exists for people like him-- 4Chan crazycatlady Jan 2018 #109

Here's the nasty secret of the tech world. haele Jan 2018 #8

Yup. All the upper management cares about is that sweet $$$$. Initech Jan 2018 #17

Yep, the ultimate next person up philosophy. Blue_true Jan 2018 #46

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #67

Substitute "work" for "tech" and it's 100% correct. HughBeaumont Jan 2018 #171

What a snowflake! meow2u3 Jan 2018 #19

The plight of the white man... IluvPitties Jan 2018 #33

Being a privileged white male is not a protected category Gothmog Jan 2018 #75

Actually, being a white male IS a protected category. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #116

Being an ignorant sexist white male is not a protected category Gothmog Jan 2018 #126

Imprecise statement. Jim Lane Jan 2018 #130

Read that ignorant memo from this idiot Gothmog Jan 2018 #131

It's a tough time to be a mediocre white guy, that's for sure. alarimer Jan 2018 #79

Where that will fail is when Google shows up with a long list of "Caucasian" "male" "conservatives"! George II Jan 2018 #85

Based on this quote: MineralMan Jan 2018 #96

Well, No Need For Me To Chime In ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #99

Thank you kindly... MineralMan Jan 2018 #103

That is a great post and so true...as always you hit it out of the park MM. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #161

That stupid, entitled fucker. Orrex Jan 2018 #100

The implied assumption is that "merit" is objectively measured marylandblue Jan 2018 #101

The last thing any business wants is to strengthen political diversity. harun Jan 2018 #102

Exactly. I have never worked in an all liberal or all conservative place. Blue_true Jan 2018 #118

I read the amusing petition and found an answer to the question I asked in the OP Gothmog Jan 2018 #111

Google is 80 percent me Nevernose Jan 2018 #112

That is exactly correct. This asshole doesn't have a case still_one Jan 2018 #153

No...they discriminate against assholes. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2018 #132

Dammit. There goes my application. nt Codeine Jan 2018 #136

Doesn't the question come down to if a company has a right to fire someone if they violate the still_one Jan 2018 #152

no basis for this DBoon Jan 2018 #177

Did anyone doubt that this is where dumbass was headed all along? Orsino Jan 2018 #187