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Demsrule86

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38. We had a great majority in 07...we won in 06 and 08....and then in 10 Some abandoned President

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 08:10 PM

Jan 2018

Obama because it was not possible to get single payer. This allowed the GOP to sweep states just before a census and then gerrymander using computers. If you look at the percentages, we would have gotten the house back twice during Pres. Obama's time. It is the gerrymander that is responsible for much of our losses. Look at Virginia, we won by 10 points and yet we didn't get the legislature such is the power of the gerrymander. And the same folks who 'held Obama's feet to the fire' and ruined the next six years are the same ones who whined about Hillary and enabled Trump. I for one am sick of hearing whining from anyone in this party. Fight Republicans...leave the Democratic Party and Democratic candidates alone. We need to win. And ranting about how the Democratic Party sucks and this one or that one is 'corporate' is just a loser game and will only lead to worse losses. Honestly the progressive movement will be over if this continues. Look at the courts. It will take decades to fix what Trump and his enablers have done.Consider that we have another census in 20 and if we fail to win elections, we are finished. And I know some really believe if they attack the Democratic party, (not you) they can make it better somehow. But, they don't. They merely drive voters away. We need to win...all else must be put aside for now.

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'The Supreme Court Case That Could Overturn the Heart of the New Deal [View all] turbinetree Jan 2018 OP

It is quite simple. Progressives have been fighting each other and not the Republicans...and this is Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #1

Forgive me if I respond to the way I am going to respond turbinetree Jan 2018 #4

True. But those who insist on running off with some renegade calimary Jan 2018 #9

I agree completely with your remarks turbinetree Jan 2018 #14

You are exactly correct louis c Jan 2018 #15

All very true. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #34

If they don't get it on their own, it's probably too late louis c Jan 2018 #35

And those who scold the "renegades" who view themselves as people Sophia4 Jan 2018 #20

There is no principle in helping to elect Republicans which is what they did... and when I think of Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #26

Both sides view themselves as acting on principle. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #27

There's no "good" in letting the perfect or good be the enemy of adequate, that's NOT progressive uponit7771 Jan 2018 #30

But no one is perfect. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #33

The only way to remedy this is to win elections and appoint new judges which will take years Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #37

Sadly too many Stein/Nader voters never saw the importance of the US Supreme Court. Willie Pep Jan 2018 #11

We tried to tell them...but they were too stupid to understand...and election happens every two, Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #25

Stein happily attended the party for Progressive dog Jan 2018 #31

The Democratic Party, by abdicating on all kinds of social justice and economic issues over the JCanete Jan 2018 #23

That is not true...no party can be all things. You have to accept you will either get some of what Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #24

It is true. Trump voters are in many cases Democrats that the Democratic Party Sophia4 Jan 2018 #28

It isn't a matter of who the democrats have abandoned. Republicans have always been the worse choice JCanete Jan 2018 #41

Agreed. Meanwhile, I see new tents in Los Angeles -- at a freeway entrance Sophia4 Jan 2018 #43

You mean the white racists who left the party in the 60s when Dems started pushing civil rights? Drunken Irishman Jan 2018 #45

No. I mean voters who cast their ballots for Obama but did not come out to vote Sophia4 Jan 2018 #47

So, a very small group of people. Got it. Drunken Irishman Jan 2018 #48

Yes. But Trump won by small margins in some key states. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #49

Details matter when they're correct. Drunken Irishman Jan 2018 #50

Russian interference, voter suppression, and delisen Jan 2018 #52

I just told you how to achieve a big tent. The people are the tent, not big business JCanete Jan 2018 #29

We have business in this country who provide jobs... We need regulation for Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #36

they are not the enemy but their desires often are detrimental, and they need serious push-back. JCanete Jan 2018 #40

I have no problem with such choices but not this year. We can't afford to waste time or Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #42

We have to unify the party. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #44

the biggest place where we disagree is that you think progressives can't win, and that our JCanete Jan 2018 #51

We had a great majority in 07...we won in 06 and 08....and then in 10 Some abandoned President Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #38

It's a matter of presenting ideas that will deal with the problems of voters Sophia4 Jan 2018 #46

21st Century Feudalism - that's the goal. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #2

Master/Slave paradigm. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3

This is a terrible post. The Democrats are the only party that can defeat Trump...and your words Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #39

"How could the nation have descended to the point that ... KPN Jan 2018 #5

Thank you for bringing this to our attention cp Jan 2018 #6

Your welcome turbinetree Jan 2018 #8

Important, but hardly a "sleeper." Hortensis Jan 2018 #53

I've been sounding the alarm on this for 20 years now. Mike Niendorff Jan 2018 #7

Your welcome turbinetree Jan 2018 #10

Is this brought on the many lawsuits filed by laborers against Der Twitler over the years? Roland99 Jan 2018 #12

We are nearing the end stage of the boiling frog parable. procon Jan 2018 #13

Banana Republic - Where corporations own and run the government SharonAnn Jan 2018 #16

Corporate rule is much the same as that of a crime syndicate ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #18

Rolling back a century of progress to return to the notorious procon Jan 2018 #19

+1111111111 happy feet Jan 2018 #17

There is the Gorsuch decision that a truck driver must freeze to death & not disobey company rules Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #21

Instead of "could," you might as well say "almost certainly will." Orrex Jan 2018 #22

The New Deal melman Jan 2018 #32